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Post by Stu on Oct 27, 2005 14:32:53 GMT -5
It's been long discussed over and over that had Hall and Nash not gone to WCW, Triple H would've won King of the Ring, Austin 3:16 wouldn't have been born, the Monday Night Wars wouldn't have happened, etc etc. But instead of looking at the big picture, what do you all think would have happened to the WWF in particular, had the Kliq survived? They were all known for their politicking at that point, and all of their power had gone the moment the MSG incident occurred. Thoughts on what could have been?
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Post by KB Klash is nWo 4 Life on Oct 27, 2005 14:47:42 GMT -5
What if Michaels and HHH had jumped to WCW? Would Angle be the most dominant heel in the business right now?
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Post by The King of Memphis Tennessee on Oct 27, 2005 15:59:05 GMT -5
There would've been no nWo. Instead, the Kliq would've become an on-screen stable including Hall, Nash, HBK, HHH, and the Kid (he wouldn't have gone to WCW to become Syxx-Pac, so wouldn't have adopted the X-Pac name). The group may or may not have included the New Age Outlaws, and this would determine whether or not they became one of the top teams in history.
There would be no Monday Night Wars, and WCW would probably have survived for years on Saturday Night and PPV alone, before adopting new stars. Most of this new blood would include WWE's recently-released Jeff Hardy, as well as new cruiserweights such as A.J. Styles, Christopher Daniels, and Michael Shane, who continually boost WCW ratings with they feud against 3 Count.
Even though the two companies do not compete and refuse to acknowledge one another, wrestling fans are excited about the debut of stars from the now-bankrupt ECW in both promotions, most going to join WWE's Hardcore Division. Starrcade 2005 is rumored to host WCW Champion Jeff Jarrett vs. Rhino, coming off the heels of a Jarrett/Raven fued.
2004 teased a breakup of the Kliq, with Hall and the Kid leaving WWE due to personal problems, and Nash constantly missing time due to injury. The group officially comes to an end at WrestleMania 21 when HBK defeats Triple H for the WWE Championship.
Anyone wish to add to this?
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Post by gshman on Oct 27, 2005 16:02:11 GMT -5
I suspect in this alternate universe, Vince might even still be announcing. Possibly with Randy Savage.
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Post by Bobafett on Oct 27, 2005 16:40:08 GMT -5
the monday night wars were going on BEFORE Hall and Nash jumped ship..
I think Bret woulda eventually juped with likes of Owen, Davey boy and Neidhart..and with hoan maybe started something like the nWo ..maybe Hart woulda had more influence and got benoit and Jercho big pushes.. WWF would be up there..but the kliq would be its undoing eventually
both promotions would still be there but WWF woulda lost the war
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Oct 27, 2005 18:39:09 GMT -5
If Hall and Nash never jumped to WCW in 1996, I think we all know that Gene Snitsky would be World Champion right now. Think about it!
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Post by normcoleman on Oct 27, 2005 18:50:29 GMT -5
I do threads basesed on those scenarios, lol.
Right now, I'm doing Austin vs. Goldberg.
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Post by kokobware3 on Oct 27, 2005 20:24:41 GMT -5
but none of this would have happend because they did a shoot and thats a no no
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 27, 2005 23:29:03 GMT -5
Actually, I think that while it provided some great historical moments, things would have been better if they hadn't jumped. Without Hall and Nash, there would have not been an NWO. Without the NWO, things probably would have stayed about the same for WCW. The success of the NWO allowed WCW to start paying the outrageous salaries they did. It also gave Hogan and Nash the success that justified their antics. When things went back to pre-NWO days for WCW, the bloated salaries and the antics going on killed WCW. Without the NWO, WCW might still be around. Yes, Hall and Nash leaving made openings for Austin, the Rock, and Foley, but I think based off of Nash's failure as champ and Hall's problems the openings would have been there anyways.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Oct 28, 2005 0:16:35 GMT -5
I think that the nWo would have existed anyways. Bischoff got the idea from the New Japan/UWFi feud of '95-'96, which also started out well but couldn't keep the steam up. Bischoff would have tried something like that in WCW but it most likely would have flopped because he would have had to pick wrestlers from WCW to "invade" (or wrestlers who hadn't been around for a while... hmmm, maybe it coulda worked if it had Vader and Stan Hansen...).
The nWo would have existed, but it would have been nothing more than a footnote in the history of WCW, next to "Dungeon of Doom" and "The Three Horsemen plus Paul Roma".
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 28, 2005 11:33:19 GMT -5
Actually, that kinda what I meant. Without Hall and Nash it would have been meaningless. I mean, imagine the NWO with Rockabilly and the real JJ leading the way. Another bad thing is that because of the success of the NWO, Bret Hart wasn't treated to the same "the Wrestling God is coming!!" push that Hogan got in WCW. That was such a blown opportunity. Imagine the money that was lost at that time because of that.
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Post by Vice Squad: Strong Style on Oct 28, 2005 11:57:31 GMT -5
well, they're were people they could've introduced to make an nWo, without hall or nash.
and you're absolutely right, drtompki, WCW dropped the ball HARD, by not pushing the hell out of hart's arrival. there should have been some major trumpets.
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Post by s2k on Oct 28, 2005 12:00:14 GMT -5
If HHH jumped to WCW, Test would be monopolizing the main event right now.
Scary thought.
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Post by Vice Squad: Strong Style on Oct 28, 2005 12:03:44 GMT -5
hell, to be frank, now that i think of it... i think hall and nash would've gotten pretty stale, had they hung around titan towers.
think about it... i think the nWo revitalized THEIR careers. same thing with hogan. i think hogan was the main catalyst in that formula. you could've gotten three other guys, and had a similar effect... think about it... hogan, sting, vader, muta, shane douglas (i would've marked hard for that... no matter how unlikely)
i think if the nWo hadn't blown up like it did, bischoff would've been more reliant on the flock as a heel faction (including floating them some real talent... 'reese'? gimme a break), and the four horsemen as a face faction.
i think WCW would've had to have gotten more outside talent, like taz... and the ECW folks... imagine a taz/benoit feud, over the u.s. title....
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Post by Grendel on Oct 28, 2005 12:13:27 GMT -5
I think we're missing out on a big part of the picture. If this timeline happens, more than likely Triple H doesn't get involved with Stephanie McMahon and suffers his own kind of Chyna Syndrome. Without Triple H monopolizing the Title Belt situation, someone else would've been elevated as the top heel of the WWE. And if both leagues had ended up surviving, they would've had to develop and push thier young talent on screen. And sicne Vince doesn't seem to like the Cruiserweights, there would have been more of those people flocking to WCW, possibly.
Of course, if Triple H had gone on to win the title (along with WCW remaining as a competing league), don't you think it would've been funny for WCW to do another one of those commercials, you know the ones, where people who left the organization end up being shown on commercials jobbing? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff, but it was like when Vader jumped ship, they showed footage of him jobbing to Buff Bagwell with the tagline WCW: Where the Big Boys play.
It would've been golden for Triple H to win the title, only to have WCW showing footage of him jobbing to the likes of Alex Wright or something like that.
It would've been comedy gold ... I tend to ramble, don't I?
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