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Post by rapidfire187 on Jul 28, 2009 19:20:04 GMT -5
This thread isn't meant to bash TNA at all. The idea is that TNA has some great talent, but it's fairly obvious that the writing and booking of the shows have been pretty poor for the last few years. What could TNA realistically do to turn it around, and start putting on great shows? Keep in mind, I'm not talking ratings, I'm talking show quality.
Here's a few feuds that I think would make the shows very enjoyable.
Kurt Angle vs Christopher Daniels. I think the match has been done before, but I believe these two could pull off a great feud. No MEM crap either. Just Angle as the champion, and Daniels as the challenger. They could play up the fact that Daniels is a TNA original and has never held the belt. I say give them a couple of PPV main events, with Daniels finally getting a clean win and walking away with the belt. There's nobody else in TNA that Daniels could get a bigger rub from, and the matches would be absolutely awesome.
Mick Foley vs. Abyss. It just makes sense. I know Foley may be wanting to stay away from the hardcore stuff, but they could save it for just one match. Have Abyss give Foley a brutal beatdown, which leads to some really good promo's from Foley, leading up to a Monster's Ball match. If Foley is down for it, they could even bring back the barbed wire massacre. I just can't believe that people wouldn't pay to see this match. Foley could put over Abyss in a way that nobody else on the roster can do right now.
Eric Young vs. Sting. I'm not big on EY, but considering how scared he was of Sting a few years back, it could make an interesting feud. This would be the one feud that I don't think the young guy should go over in, but I think if done properly it could still help get Eric Young over as a credible heel.
AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe over the X Division title. I know it was done a few years ago, but that's when both guys were at their absolute bests. Have Joe put a stranglehold on the X Division title again, running through the roster with some impressive squashes on Impact, and have AJ take him to the limit on PPV. Right now the X Division is in shambles, and Joe and AJ would be a great foundation for rebuilding the division. If done properly it could bring some much needed prestige back to the title, and if the right person took the belt from Joe it could do wonders for the X Divisions future.
As much as I hate to say it, break up Beer Money. James Storm has a lot of potential as a singles star, and Robert Roode could fair a lot better now that he's had some success in a tag team. I say keep them both heel and friendly, but have them go their separate ways.
Rebuild the tag division. That may sound silly considering I just suggested breaking up everybody's favorite team, but TNA only has like 4 or 5 legit teams as it is now anyway. Team 3D will always be there for placeholder feuds, but they do NOT need the titles anymore. I suggest putting the belts on Shelley and Sabin and have them feud with Lethal Consequences. It'd make for some great matches, and in the meantime the company could put together some more teams to fight for the belts in the future. If Team 3D must have a tag team title match, make it exciting by making it a tables match or TLC with some of the more high flying teams.
Other than that, my other suggestions are...
Don't use Booker T, Scott Steiner, or Kevin Nash in any kind of prominent role. None of them can really put on good matches anymore, and while they have name value, they're not gonna be bringing in the ratings. Having them in the occasional match on Impact isn't a problem, but they shouldn't be getting a lot of wins, and shouldn't be holding any titles.
Get rid of the Legends title. It's pointless. I'm all for having a midcard title for the heavyweights, but we can't have people like AJ Styles being presented as a legend. Since there's no criteria for defining a legend, it's pointless. Just replace the belt with a TV title or something.
More angles, less storylines. Obviously the guys need a reason to be fighting, but we don't need crazy contrived storylines involving the wrestler's wives and such. Wrestling storylines are easy to come up with, and easy to follow as long as they're kept to the point.
Whew....I feel like I typed a novel, but it would really take a lot of work to make the shows respectable again. What do you guys think? Is it fantasy booking, or the logical way that the shows should be run at this point?
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Post by saintturgeon on Jul 28, 2009 20:02:52 GMT -5
This thread isn't meant to bash TNA at all. The idea is that TNA has some great talent, but it's fairly obvious that the writing and booking of the shows have been pretty poor for the last few years. What could TNA realistically do to turn it around, and start putting on great shows? Keep in mind, I'm not talking ratings, I'm talking show quality. Here's a few feuds that I think would make the shows very enjoyable. Kurt Angle vs Christopher Daniels. I think the match has been done before, but I believe these two could pull off a great feud. No MEM crap either. Just Angle as the champion, and Daniels as the challenger. They could play up the fact that Daniels is a TNA original and has never held the belt. I say give them a couple of PPV main events, with Daniels finally getting a clean win and walking away with the belt. There's nobody else in TNA that Daniels could get a bigger rub from, and the matches would be absolutely awesome. Mick Foley vs. Abyss. It just makes sense. I know Foley may be wanting to stay away from the hardcore stuff, but they could save it for just one match. Have Abyss give Foley a brutal beatdown, which leads to some really good promo's from Foley, leading up to a Monster's Ball match. If Foley is down for it, they could even bring back the barbed wire massacre. I just can't believe that people wouldn't pay to see this match. Foley could put over Abyss in a way that nobody else on the roster can do right now. Eric Young vs. Sting. I'm not big on EY, but considering how scared he was of Sting a few years back, it could make an interesting feud. This would be the one feud that I don't think the young guy should go over in, but I think if done properly it could still help get Eric Young over as a credible heel. AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe over the X Division title. I know it was done a few years ago, but that's when both guys were at their absolute bests. Have Joe put a stranglehold on the X Division title again, running through the roster with some impressive squashes on Impact, and have AJ take him to the limit on PPV. Right now the X Division is in shambles, and Joe and AJ would be a great foundation for rebuilding the division. If done properly it could bring some much needed prestige back to the title, and if the right person took the belt from Joe it could do wonders for the X Divisions future. As much as I hate to say it, break up Beer Money. James Storm has a lot of potential as a singles star, and Robert Roode could fair a lot better now that he's had some success in a tag team. I say keep them both heel and friendly, but have them go their separate ways. Rebuild the tag division. That may sound silly considering I just suggested breaking up everybody's favorite team, but TNA only has like 4 or 5 legit teams as it is now anyway. Team 3D will always be there for placeholder feuds, but they do NOT need the titles anymore. I suggest putting the belts on Shelley and Sabin and have them feud with Lethal Consequences. It'd make for some great matches, and in the meantime the company could put together some more teams to fight for the belts in the future. If Team 3D must have a tag team title match, make it exciting by making it a tables match or TLC with some of the more high flying teams. Other than that, my other suggestions are... Don't use Booker T, Scott Steiner, or Kevin Nash in any kind of prominent role. None of them can really put on good matches anymore, and while they have name value, they're not gonna be bringing in the ratings. Having them in the occasional match on Impact isn't a problem, but they shouldn't be getting a lot of wins, and shouldn't be holding any titles. Get rid of the Legends title. It's pointless. I'm all for having a midcard title for the heavyweights, but we can't have people like AJ Styles being presented as a legend. Since there's no criteria for defining a legend, it's pointless. Just replace the belt with a TV title or something. More angles, less storylines. Obviously the guys need a reason to be fighting, but we don't need crazy contrived storylines involving the wrestler's wives and such. Wrestling storylines are easy to come up with, and easy to follow as long as they're kept to the point. Whew....I feel like I typed a novel, but it would really take a lot of work to make the shows respectable again. What do you guys think? Is it fantasy booking, or the logical way that the shows should be run at this point? Isn't Joe too big for the X division, I know he's held the belt before...But he's just too big. Why couldn't AJ and Joe feud over the legends title. AJ is kind of a legend, in TNA at least, He's never held a WWE world title. But I think he's a TNA legend. And Booker T can still put on decent match |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 21:40:04 GMT -5
Booker and Steiner still have some good matches in them if they get the right opponents
I don't know why but I see Booker vs. Lethal and Steiner vs. Amazing Red as Great matches
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 21:53:55 GMT -5
Crisp camera work.
They have moments were the camera work is the best in the business and then the worst. Follow the action closely so its like an action show as opposed to a pre-taped sporting event.
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Post by Dshuks on Jul 28, 2009 23:11:57 GMT -5
Booker and Steiner still have some good matches in them if they get the right opponents I don't know why but I see Booker vs. Lethal and Steiner vs. Amazing Red as Great matches Imo It's not so much putting Booker with the right person as it is how motivated Booker T is about the match theres a huge difference between the Average Booker T TV match where he clearly isn't giving 100% and the Two AJ vs Booker PPV matches where he clearly is trying his best. You're right about Steiner he works great with smaller guys like Petety and seems to sell for them well. Put him with a big man outside of joe and he won't do so well. A Steiner Morgan match would be pretty bad |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2009 14:26:50 GMT -5
An Ultimate Showdown Impact (from another thread).
I'd love to have a two hour long triple threat brutual-ass gauntlet where at the end, over all the beaten and bloody bodies is someone completely random like Eric Young.
It'd be sweet if they had wrestlers who were up next in the gauntlet or who were already elimanted be guests at the commentation station too.
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Post by default on Jul 29, 2009 15:38:25 GMT -5
Traci Brooks and So Cal Val doing topless commentary.
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Post by Thank You Shawn on Jul 30, 2009 2:11:57 GMT -5
2 Hours of Scott Steiner promos.
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Post by Diamond Dallas Dom on Jul 30, 2009 2:32:11 GMT -5
To be honest, I really think TNA's a great product right now, but I'd like to see them build Hernandez up to ME level status. I think he'd be very well at playing the face role, and hopefully with the way tomorrow's Impact is set up it's looking promising. I just hope that he's not fodder for Joe. I'd also like them to utilize the MCMG and Lethal Consequences MUCH MUCH more. Got to see their short web match and those guys can put on quite the spectacle (obviously).
Also agree with the Daniels statement and getting rid of the Legends belt (call it something else and legitimize it or something) but overall, I like TNA very much and I think the mixture of younger talent and older talent is extremely engaging and interesting. Nash has been top-notch on the mic as of recent (best he's ever been IMO) and pretty good in the ring for a 50-yr old big man. I'd say they are on the right track. I'd watch them over any WWE program right now, and I have been.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Jul 30, 2009 13:45:35 GMT -5
TNA Puts on a superb 1 hour wrestling show. The problem is, that they then spread it out over 2 hours.
Seriously, try taping Impact, but pause the recording whenever there's not a match going on. You end up with about an hour of awesome wrestling, no boring filler, and a great show.
If they got rid of 90% of the talking, comedy segments, and backstage bullshit, and instead doubled the amount of matches they had, the show would be great. They have so much talent, many of whom are almost never on TV.
It's annoying to watch AWA Classics after TNA Impact. AWA puts on twice as many matches in half as much time, and end up with a show that's 5x better. Maybe the TNA booking team should expant their Cable package to get ESPN Classic. They'd do better emulating that than what they see on USA, Sci-Fi, and WGN.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jul 30, 2009 17:54:08 GMT -5
TNA Puts on a superb 1 hour wrestling show. The problem is, that they then spread it out over 2 hours. Seriously, try taping Impact, but pause the recording whenever there's not a match going on. You end up with about an hour of awesome wrestling, no boring filler, and a great show. If they got rid of 90% of the talking, comedy segments, and backstage bulls***, and instead doubled the amount of matches they had, the show would be great. They have so much talent, many of whom are almost never on TV. It's annoying to watch AWA Classics after TNA Impact. AWA puts on twice as many matches in half as much time, and end up with a show that's 5x better. Maybe the TNA booking team should expant their Cable package to get ESPN Classic. They'd do better emulating that than what they see on USA, Sci-Fi, and WGN. I remember when Impact was a one hour show, and it did seem to be a lot better, but the matches were also kept very short. I thought for sure that when they got that second hour, they'd utilize it by giving the guys longer matches or something. Instead, they just increased the number of backstage crap. I've never, not once, ever watched Impact or a TNA PPV because of a storyline. I've ordered several TNA PPV's because of the matches on the card (though I haven't even done that in over a year now) but their storylines are definitely the weakest aspect of the show. I fail to understand why they continue to spend more time on storylines that seemingly nobody is interested in, rather than showing matches that seemingly everybody wants to see. The promotion is almost like the opposite of what it used to be. I just wish they'd go back to what brought them to the table. |
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Post by theryno665 on Jul 30, 2009 19:32:34 GMT -5
Crisp camera work. They have moments were the camera work is the best in the business and then the worst. Follow the action closely so its like an action show as opposed to a pre-taped sporting event. Seconded. I'd say that half of the reason that I find it hard to watch TNA is the production work. They really need to find better producers and directors. If they'd time the commercial breaks better (ie. not going to break when the matches start), cut down promos and backstage vignettes a bit to allow more ring time and tell the commentators not to talk over promos, then I could probably watch it enough to forgive the booking. Maybe... |
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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Jul 30, 2009 19:44:09 GMT -5
TNA Puts on a superb 1 hour wrestling show. The problem is, that they then spread it out over 2 hours. Seriously, try taping Impact, but pause the recording whenever there's not a match going on. You end up with about an hour of awesome wrestling, no boring filler, and a great show. If they got rid of 90% of the talking, comedy segments, and backstage bulls***, and instead doubled the amount of matches they had, the show would be great. They have so much talent, many of whom are almost never on TV. It's annoying to watch AWA Classics after TNA Impact. AWA puts on twice as many matches in half as much time, and end up with a show that's 5x better. Maybe the TNA booking team should expant their Cable package to get ESPN Classic. They'd do better emulating that than what they see on USA, Sci-Fi, and WGN. Or--and this is just a... kooky thought--how's about TWO hours of great wrestling? How about we just go a year without stupid storylines and just build the entire product, top to bottom, with wrestling? Start a Top Ten for the Heavyweight title, let the X-Division title main event some episodes of iMPACT! and a couple PPVs, give the Knockouts two or three segments per show... Basically, a two-hour version of ROH in 2005 or so. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 30, 2009 19:48:44 GMT -5
TNA Puts on a superb 1 hour wrestling show. The problem is, that they then spread it out over 2 hours. Seriously, try taping Impact, but pause the recording whenever there's not a match going on. You end up with about an hour of awesome wrestling, no boring filler, and a great show. If they got rid of 90% of the talking, comedy segments, and backstage bulls***, and instead doubled the amount of matches they had, the show would be great. They have so much talent, many of whom are almost never on TV. It's annoying to watch AWA Classics after TNA Impact. AWA puts on twice as many matches in half as much time, and end up with a show that's 5x better. Maybe the TNA booking team should expant their Cable package to get ESPN Classic. They'd do better emulating that than what they see on USA, Sci-Fi, and WGN. Or--and this is just a... kooky thought--how's about TWO hours of great wrestling? How about we just go a year without stupid storylines and just build the entire product, top to bottom, with wrestling? Start a Top Ten for the Heavyweight title, let the X-Division title main event some episodes of iMPACT! and a couple PPVs, give the Knockouts two or three segments per show... Basically, a two-hour version of ROH in 2005 or so. Cause then we'd wonder why the hell are they fighting each other? Cause Eventually, that whole "I just wanna fight you" gets old after a while? Cause it would pretty much be pointless battles one after another? |
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jul 30, 2009 19:50:05 GMT -5
TNA Puts on a superb 1 hour wrestling show. The problem is, that they then spread it out over 2 hours. Seriously, try taping Impact, but pause the recording whenever there's not a match going on. You end up with about an hour of awesome wrestling, no boring filler, and a great show. If they got rid of 90% of the talking, comedy segments, and backstage bulls***, and instead doubled the amount of matches they had, the show would be great. They have so much talent, many of whom are almost never on TV. It's annoying to watch AWA Classics after TNA Impact. AWA puts on twice as many matches in half as much time, and end up with a show that's 5x better. Maybe the TNA booking team should expant their Cable package to get ESPN Classic. They'd do better emulating that than what they see on USA, Sci-Fi, and WGN. Or--and this is just a... kooky thought--how's about TWO hours of great wrestling? How about we just go a year without stupid storylines and just build the entire product, top to bottom, with wrestling? Start a Top Ten for the Heavyweight title, let the X-Division title main event some episodes of iMPACT! and a couple PPVs, give the Knockouts two or three segments per show... Basically, a two-hour version of ROH in 2005 or so. And ironically, what you described is also basically a two-hour version of TNA in 2005 (minus the Knockouts). I started watching TNA in 2005, and at times the X-Division title was booked better than the NWA Heavyweight title. Times sure have changed... |
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Post by Mister Yummy on Jul 30, 2009 23:24:42 GMT -5
I don't care why the guys are WRESTLING. I just want to see them wrestle. Why does every match have to have an elaborate storyline behind it? Baseball works without constant angles and feuds, why shouldn't wrestling? Sure, have them now and again for variety, but it should mostly be athletes pretending to be competing in their sport.
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Post by Thank You Shawn on Jul 31, 2009 0:20:59 GMT -5
2 Hours of Scott Steiner promos. THIS shouldn't be NO SOLD! |
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Post by pks on Jul 31, 2009 2:59:13 GMT -5
We just follow Beer Money Inc around until the end of the show.
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