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Post by chunkylover53 on Jun 18, 2009 6:20:35 GMT -5
In kayfabeland the face is right no matter what. Hogan beating up the foreigners and ripping their flags in half, Eddie Guerrero stealing, yada yada yada. Which brings me to this point, what occurences was the heel right in principle? Here are a list of them.....
Sid Justice Eliminating Hulk Hogan - At the time, I was a Hogan mark, so I obviously sided with him. When Sid eliminated Hogan, The Hulkster threw a temper tantrum and threw him out of the ring(with Flair's help). Plus, the fans were cheering for Sid(with a surprisingly unbias Gorilla Monsoon saying he was following the rules) and when Hogan retaliated, the fans booed, which could've planted the seeds for a heel turn if he wasn't leaving to film Mr. Nanny. Weeks later, Jack Tunney decided to name a #1 contender for Ric Flair's WWF championship and when Sid was anticipating his name being called, he was in shock to hear Hogan, the man who he eliminated got called, and from Hogan's reaction, he was rubbing it in a bit. Sid was understandable upset and voiced his opinon. Now, by all means, Sid was the runner up to Flair, so he should've been named the number 1 contender. So weeks leading to Wrestlemania, they made Sid heelsih by having him destroyed the Barber Shop amongst other things.
Also, I know WWF is loose on continuity, but why was Hogan throwing a hissyfit over Sid eliminating him due to the "every man for himself" logic, when 3 YEARS EARLIER, he did the same thing to Savage and told him he was following the rules. Sure, Sid might've been sneaky when doing it, but what he did was no different than what Hogan did. What a hypocrite.
Stephanie McMahon Turning on Her Father - While Stephanie McMahon became a great heel following the turn, her reasoning is justifable. I mean, The Undertaker kidnap her and force her to marry him, unbeknownst to "The Billion Dollar Princess", it was her father who was the mastermind behind this, all to get "Stone Cold" Steve Austin. He put her through hell, and we're sorry to feel sorry for Vince being betrayed? My brother called it moments after she turned on him that she got him back for being the Higher Power.
Any occurences you can think of?
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Post by JerryvonKramer on Jun 18, 2009 6:39:05 GMT -5
I'm sure you made this exact thread about a month ago.
I'll have a think, in the meantime:
Any time Jesse Ventura opened his mouth.
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Post by mauled on Jun 18, 2009 7:20:22 GMT -5
Bret Hart turning against or standing up to American wrestling fans for how they treated him and cheering the Stone Cold charachter.
The first and last Rock heel turns.
In 97 If Fans were screaming at me like at him I would be pi@@ed and all
Then in 2002/03 for having a succesful film career and deciding to finish wrestling Like Lawler said at wm19 if the fans were given that option they would then say no then would they!!
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Post by chunkylover53 on Jun 18, 2009 7:43:25 GMT -5
I'm sure you made this exact thread about a month ago.I'll have a think, in the meantime: Any time Jesse Ventura opened his mouth. Not that I recall. You might be thinking of someone else making it, or my "Is It Still Possible to Hate a Heel" thread. |
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Jun 18, 2009 8:00:32 GMT -5
Mike Awesome when he was leaving ECW and later at the first One Night Stand. He was the biggest heel in the place because he wanted to feed his family. Uh, how dare he?
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jun 18, 2009 8:04:13 GMT -5
Mike Awesome when he was leaving ECW and later at the first One Night Stand. He was the biggest heel in the place because he wanted to feed his family. Uh, how dare he? its not what he did, its how he did it. Taz left ECW because he wanted to feed his family, but he didn't do it behind everyone's back and try to take the ECW title with him |
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Jun 18, 2009 8:07:52 GMT -5
No, but they hated Taz for it too, you may have noticed. The ECW fans never gave a shit about anyone's families, they just selfishly wanted you to stay and wrestle for them. I mean, obviously they didn't know what was going on backstage (although most of those fans were on the button so much that they might have known) but if a guy leaves the company, it's his choice. The stupidest thing for me is that so many people blame Bisch and Vinny for it when they didn't FORCE anyone to leave. These people CHOSE to.
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Jun 18, 2009 8:13:15 GMT -5
"The Mega Powers Explode". I always thought Savage was completely justified in turning on Hogan. Hogan was clearly lusting after Elizabeth. Also, he left Savage hanging when he carried Elizabeth to the back and "tended" to her while Savage was taking on the Twin Towers single handedly. There's been quite a few times where Hogan has been in the wrong such as the previously mentioned incident with Sid at the Rumble.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Jun 18, 2009 8:15:46 GMT -5
No, but they hated Taz for it too, you may have noticed. The ECW fans never gave a s*** about anyone's families, they just selfishly wanted you to stay and wrestle for them. I mean, obviously they didn't know what was going on backstage (although most of those fans were on the button so much that they might have known) but if a guy leaves the company, it's his choice. The stupidest thing for me is that so many people blame Bisch and Vinny for it when they didn't FORCE anyone to leave. These people CHOSE to. The ECW fans were unforgiving blood thristy nazi savages, what do you expect? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2009 8:38:26 GMT -5
I'm sure you made this exact thread about a month ago. I'll have a think, in the meantime: Any time Jesse Ventura opened his mouth. Eh we've had repeat topics before Nice to see one that isn't ''End the Brand Split'' or about Jesse Gymini get on |
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Post by Joseph S. Hasan on Jun 18, 2009 8:39:12 GMT -5
When Nikita Koloff returned to Atlanta in either late 1990 or early 1991, he was there to present Lex Luger with a new version of the U.S. Title. He said "I am very happy to give this to you, Lexter", and then attacked him with the belt. Before Nikita ended his first stint with the company, a heel Lex cheated to take the same title away from him.
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Post by texan on Jun 18, 2009 8:39:16 GMT -5
Other than the Sid Justice/Hogan/Rumble incident, this one incdent sticks out to me the most. Barry Windham was teaming with Dustin Rhodes to face Ricky Steamboat and Shane Douglas back in '92 for the tag belts. Anyway, Steamboat is accidently low blowed by Rhodes, but Rhodes being the good guy he is, allows Steamboat to recover instead of capitalizing on it and winning the belts for him and Barry. Steamboat and Douglas end up picking up the win and Windham, rightfully so, is pissed at Rhodes and nails him with a DDT thus becoming a bad guy.
Windham was right. Dustin should've scored the win first, THEN checked on Steamboat rather than cost his team the match.
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Post by JerryvonKramer on Jun 18, 2009 8:40:54 GMT -5
How about when Heenan and Haku were pissed at Andre at Wrestlemania 6?
That was Andre's face turn but the fact was he DIDN'T tag in for the entire match. Heenan had a good point there.
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Post by Woooooolhouse! on Jun 18, 2009 8:46:03 GMT -5
When Earthquake squashed Damien. That Snake had no business bringing a . . . snake down to ringside when he knew darn well that the other wrestlers were afraid of it! If someone brought a clown to ringside, I would kill that clown, too, and I'd like to think I'd be in the right!
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 18, 2009 8:46:22 GMT -5
Mike Awesome when he was leaving ECW and later at the first One Night Stand. He was the biggest heel in the place because he wanted to feed his family. Uh, how dare he? its not what he did, its how he did it. Taz left ECW because he wanted to feed his family, but he didn't do it behind everyone's back and try to take the ECW title with him If Awesome went to WWF rather then WCW the situation would have been similar to Tazz's. It was much easier for a guy to say he was leaving for WWF then leaving for WCW. |
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Post by johnnyk9 on Jun 18, 2009 9:23:50 GMT -5
I've always sided with Dibiase in his attempt to buy the WWE title, he had the right like any human being to make an offer and although he used down right dirty tactics to get he still paid Andre the Giant and Earl Hebner for doing his duties
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jun 18, 2009 10:06:18 GMT -5
its not what he did, its how he did it. Taz left ECW because he wanted to feed his family, but he didn't do it behind everyone's back and try to take the ECW title with him If Awesome went to WWF rather then WCW the situation would have been similar to Tazz's. It was much easier for a guy to say he was leaving for WWF then leaving for WCW. It's not so much the WCW vs WWF thing, it was leaving while champ. And not telling anyone he was leaving so they could get the belt off him. Awesome pretty much offered the ECW World Title to WCW on a silver platter. It was a dick move |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 18, 2009 10:40:16 GMT -5
Mike Knox vs. CM Punk from a year or so two back. Knox is a heel because he doesn't want his slutty girlfriend to cheat on him and show her breasts to the world at large. What an asshole.
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Post by The King of Memphis Tennessee on Jun 18, 2009 11:33:50 GMT -5
Muhammed Hassan when he complained about how Muslim-Americans were treated after 9/11. He even referenced a university study in one promo.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Jun 18, 2009 11:37:19 GMT -5
Sting turning heel in 1999. It's not his fault that Hogan was a jerk for three years. He was right with the whole belt thing too after HH 99. I wish I could find that one promo he did where he's sitting the dark with a single light on with his bat 'cause that was pretty cool.
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helped $lim jinx NXT. Woops
