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Post by angryfan on Oct 22, 2005 23:00:37 GMT -5
Sounds weird, but remember back in the day how Watts had all the weird rules that eventually forced him out of the company? That and the whole nepotism thing that made him so hated?
Here's my comparisons between the two.
Watts: No jumping off the top rope.
VKM: Safe style almost ban on top rope moves. You've got the Mexicools with a moonsault and leg drop respectively, Eddie's frog splash (also RVD when he comes back), Shawn's elbow drop, and clothesline variaitions (kane, LOD, UT's rope walk chop sort of), but other than those maybe seven or eight guys, most are grounded or second rope at most.
Watts: Pushed his untalented son down our throats
VKM: Steph?
Watts: no one can leave the building until the final match ends, and heels and faces can not be seen together.
VKM: dress codes, video game ban, certain performes told to "stay in character" while in public.
OK, VKM might not be as bad as Watts was, but he's getting in the same ballpark as of late. The thing was, when Watts was pushing his line of thinking, kayfabe still existed, but VKM has been metaphorically screaming "it's a work" for years now, so kayfabe isn't even an excuse he can cling to. If he tells the marks "these are just characters" when he gets heat from the general public, how can he then say to the workers "they know it's just a character, but you need to keep it up if you're in public"? It doesn't work that way. Since the E has said more than once they're a fictional program, do many of the rules even make sense nowadays? No.
Look at sitcoms or soap operas, since the E is trying to be a bit of both. Do soap opera actors who, on screen, despise eachother have to have screaming matches if they're in public? No. In between takes on set, do they have to just stand around and wait? No, usually they'll go to their dressing room or whatever and relax. When Kelsey Grammer from Frasier would go in public, since his character was a psychiatrist, did he have to psychoanalyze his fans? Of course not.
Yet the E wants it both ways.
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Post by Phoenix on Oct 22, 2005 23:01:56 GMT -5
wow thats just creepy
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Oct 22, 2005 23:05:51 GMT -5
Actually, to be fair to Vince, He actually handed some power over to STephanie McMahon.
Maybe Stephanie McMahon is like Watts.
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Post by B.A. on Oct 22, 2005 23:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by The Jeebus on Oct 22, 2005 23:44:37 GMT -5
Huh?
Anyway, I'm not totally against being in character and having a dress code, nor am I against the wrestlers remaining at the shows until the final match. It's a little thing known as professionalism.
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Post by angryfan on Oct 22, 2005 23:54:14 GMT -5
Professionalism is a good thing. The dress code wasn't really my biggest grype. However, those taht work for the company are adults, and should be treated as such. If someone showed up looking like crap, tell that person, don't tell everyone, "look, when you get here, dress nice, no jeans and t-shirts". Most guys spend a lot of time in a car, and while I personally can be comfortable in khakis and a polo shirt, some peole might be more relaxed in jeans, and that's fine. They aren't "on the clock", so what does it matter. When they show up, just look respectible, and it's possible to do that in jeans.
The video game ban, saying guys couldn't relax backstage playing video games and such. Like I said, look at most TV shows, sitcoms and such, when an actor isn't "on set", they're in their dressing room/trailer/whatever relaxing.
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Post by mcdog474 on Oct 23, 2005 1:55:37 GMT -5
The video game ban in theory is good, as the wrestlers should be spending the time playing over their spots in their head. However, since many of the guys back there may not be getting much tv time, I can see why they may not like this.
I was a fan of Bill Watts WCW, with the exception of the top rope ban. And even that was lifted after a short while. But the fact is that while he was running the show, there were some good hard hitting matches, and the focus shifted back to traditional wrestling, and away from gimmick based wrestlers. I think he even banned non traditional ring-wear (like lumberjack outfits). What ultimately did him in were comments he made to an underground newsletter that were perceived as racist by Hank Aaron (who had a front office job with Turner). The ironic part is that under Watts leadership, WCW, and wrestling as a whole, saw it's first black world champion in Ron Simmons!
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Post by The Jeebus on Oct 23, 2005 2:13:43 GMT -5
So... you know exactly how WWE's employees are being treated? Interesting, but I'm pretty sure that the dress codes were enforced either because management wanted them, or numerous employees started arriving at work in their gravy-stained singlets and sandals. It's not like Jeff Hardy came to work stoned and management scolded every other employee for not telling management that they're not on dope in advance.
...Or preparing for their lines.
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Post by angryfan on Oct 23, 2005 2:57:20 GMT -5
True, I don't know exactly how WWE's employees are being treated, but I do find it strange Like the workers, I am a contracted employee. While at work, we are expected to be dressed a certain way, but when I leave for work, since I walk to and from the job site, I wear running shoes, not my dress shoes. I change when I arrive on site. I just think it would make more sense that, if a WWE employee has to be at the arena by, say, 1 PM, then a dress code should not be in effect until the time that they "clock in".
And yes, they could be preparing for their lines, but, what of those that don't have a spot on the show and are just there? If the RAW roster has, let's say, 40 performers expected to be at each show, but only 15 are given spots on the show, either televised, dark match, what have you, what do the other 25 performers do? Yes, they could study the on-air performances, or read a book I suppose, but what harm would be caused by two people, after their work for the day was completed unwinding in a manner that they enjoyed?
McDog, I agree that the matches were more traditional under Watts, and I love traditional wrestling, I just, when reading over some of Watts' theories, found them a bit outdated even for the time. My main grype with him, when I exited the land of kayfabe, was the pushing his kid. It dorve me nuts at the time, because I hated Erik Watts in an X-pac sort of way, and when I put two and two together some years later, it just bugged me. I wasn't surprised, since we all know it's nothing new. The Von Erichs, good ol' Rambo Greg, nepotism is nothing new, in wrestling or everyday life, I've just always hated it.
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Post by The Jeebus on Oct 23, 2005 3:42:31 GMT -5
WWE's employees are supposed to represent WWE while arriving to arenas, airports, press conferences; wherever the fans or a mass of public is. Travelling to and from is part of the job, unlike most others. Or at least, this is my understanding of the dress code. I'm not some 'insider' of WWE - I'm just basing this discussion on another thread that was circulating around here for a couple of days, in which the topic was based on Kid Kash being reprimanded for not wearing the appropriate attire in an airport. From this, we can assume that places like airports, press conferences, etc. are areas in need of the dress code. Unlike other contracted workers, WWE's employees are celebrities. And of course, celebrities aren't wearing casual clothes while in the public eye. I'm sure that the wrestlers get to unwind and dress casually in the hotels, and apart from when they're at the gym, it's probably the only time they're allowed.
As for enjoying themselves, that would have to be fine as well. But the minutes and hours spent warming up and preparing for their matches and angles later on when RAW or Smackdown starts should be spent on just that - preparation. The wrestlers spend the time prior to RAW and Smackdown preparing, then when the show starts they go out, wrestle, and go back to the locker room to take a shower and get dressed, and then watch the rest of the show and stay for a while afterwards. That seems pretty fair for the wrestlers who have something to do on the show, and I think it sounds pretty logical.
But for the guys who aren't doing anything at the show? Well, they can arrive early, watch the show and leave afterwards as well. Then they can play on their X-Boxes and Gameboys when they get back to their hotels.
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Post by shacmasta on Oct 23, 2005 4:47:04 GMT -5
I basically agree with everything serj is saying. I also think this stuff is blown way out of proportion.This is what annoys me about the net, they harp on these things and make soooo much out of it. This really isn't a big deal.
No playstation backstage?....good. Anyone who tries to make this a bad thing is pushing it. The wwe currently employees a boat load of 20-somethings. They need to set some examples and get back to basics. I think the wwe is tired of seeing this...i could live without wrestling attitude backstage. They want them to keep their head in the game (aka job) from the moment they step into the locker room. Let them play that stuff on there own time, not on the companies time.
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Post by thehatman on Oct 23, 2005 10:34:04 GMT -5
Let them play that stuff on there own time, not on the companies time. Then again, it all depends on what you consider company time. If, say, company time is seen as "so long as you are in the arena, from that hour to this hour" is understandable, if it's any more than that, it's abusive. Then again, I've never heard of a fair corporate boss coming out of the US (or any country, for that matter), so we ARE blowing this out of proportion. |
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Post by mcdog474 on Oct 23, 2005 10:39:13 GMT -5
Geesh how could I post about Watts without mentioning Erik. I knew there was something worse than the top rop ban that came out of his stay at the top. Erik Watts was horrible and nowhere near ready for a top spot. Even worse about Erik is that fans hated his nepotism push so much, that he could do no right at any point in his career after this. True this may be because he was just a crappy worker. But I think a lot of fans simply could not forgive the fact that he was crammed down our throats for no other reason than his DNA. Cowboy Bill unfortunately hurt his son's chances of ever getting over in the long run by pushing him too soon.
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Post by Lancers on Oct 23, 2005 10:40:05 GMT -5
The dress code thing mirrors what's going on in the NBA right now. They don't wanna have to dress up nicely all the time. Especially like in Kid Kash's situation where he's getting chastized for wearing normal clothes at 5 am at an airport. Fact is, you're in the WWE. This is the no. 1 wrestling promotion in the company. This is where most wrestlers dream of performing at. If they want you to wear a dress shirt and slacks, do it. If they want you to stop playing video games and start rehearsing your lines, do it. If you don't wanna do it, there's the door.
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Post by Rorschach on Oct 23, 2005 20:39:48 GMT -5
The dress code thing mirrors what's going on in the NBA right now. They don't wanna have to dress up nicely all the time. Especially like in Kid Kash's situation where he's getting chastized for wearing normal clothes at 5 am at an airport. Fact is, you're in the WWE. This is the no. 1 wrestling promotion in the company. This is where most wrestlers dream of performing at. If they want you to wear a dress shirt and slacks, do it. If they want you to stop playing video games and start rehearsing your lines, do it. If you don't wanna do it, there's the door. Well said....but personally, I think it's just VKM piggybacking on the NBA's publicity. |
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Oct 23, 2005 20:49:27 GMT -5
WWE's dress code was actually put into effect before the NBA's.
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