|
|
Post by eJm on Aug 15, 2009 17:22:42 GMT -5
It's coming out August 25th and he rebooks one of the most controversial wrestling topics ever: InVasion.
|
|
|
|
Post by eJm on Aug 15, 2009 18:11:54 GMT -5
Another preview's gone up.
|
|
|
|
Post by tap on Aug 15, 2009 19:58:09 GMT -5
This angle doesn't make sense.
People think the heat between WWF and WCW is real.
But why own up to "my shoulders go up or down"? For all the complaining Cornette does about the business being exposed, this part of his rebooking makes NO sense.
|
|
|
|
Post by HMARK Center on Aug 15, 2009 20:17:25 GMT -5
I think he's using a mentality of "the two big companies already went as far as they did breaking kayfabe, if you want people to buy into this angle lock, stock, and barrel, then make the fans start having a hard time determining what's reality."
In Cornette's ideal world, neither WCW nor WWF would've ever gone to the lengths they did to expose the business in the first place, I'd have to guess, but after going that far, once you've hit on the single biggest angle in the history of wrestling, you might as well go all out.
|
|
|
|
Post by tap on Aug 15, 2009 20:21:00 GMT -5
I liked everything in the promo up until the "I'm gonna job you out" part of the Vince promo and the Flair "job us out all you want, we will still have pride" part of the Flair promo. By calling attention to the aspect of jobbing in these promos, then why should I care who wins or loses? Or if one side gets an advantage over the other? Take out that explicit breaking of kayfabe and I'll bite for his rebooking.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Aug 15, 2009 22:29:57 GMT -5
I have to agree with TAP. Cornette seems torn. He believes things would be better off if the business was never exposed, and people believed what was going on in the ring. But the business is exposed. So he tried to hold onto the second part of the equation, that people believe what's going on in the ring.
That's Russo thinking. The idea that we can't insult the intelligence of the fans, so we have to own up to it being fake, then run a storyline about how fake it is.
Most people know wrestling is scripted, they like it anyway. We pretend it's real, we don't need to be hoodwinked into it.
|
|
|
|
Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Aug 16, 2009 1:20:21 GMT -5
I actually like the way Cornette seems to book the InVasion. He just needs to ease up a tiny little bit on the breaking of kayfabe, and this is pretty much how I would book it.
|
|
H-Fist
Hank Scorpio
Posts: 6,485
|
Post by H-Fist on Aug 16, 2009 2:37:10 GMT -5
I actually like the way Cornette seems to book the InVasion. He just needs to ease up a tiny little bit on the breaking of kayfabe, and this is pretty much how I would book it. My guess is that his idea is that, by breaking kayfabe, he can make it real again. The premise of the angle is that Vince plans to make fools of the WCW wrestlers, while the WCW wrestlers intend to do damage to the WWF superstars. So the angle unfolds with some WCW guys accepting the state of things. And other WCW guys go home and collect their downsides. And the rest of the WCW guys go about trying to physically hurt their WWF opponents and make the WWF opponents look foolish. Meanwhile, the WWF wrestlers are split. Some of the talent are company men, happy to be the winner in the war. Other superstars hate to see their brethren belittled and demeaned and risk their jobs to make the WCW guys look good. As time goes by, through attrition, plenty of refs throw up plenty of "X"s to signify injuries, with WWF superstars either missing time or working hurt. Vince starts scrambling to protect his top stars. How can he draw money when his stars risk injury being in the same ring as the WCW wrestlers? His plan is blowing up in his face, with battle lines being drawn. And all the while, the goal of the booking is to make fans believe that all this animosity, all this internal personal conflict, is real. You do that, then kayfabe can be reborn. |
|
|
|
Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Aug 16, 2009 3:01:48 GMT -5
I actually like the way Cornette seems to book the InVasion. He just needs to ease up a tiny little bit on the breaking of kayfabe, and this is pretty much how I would book it. My guess is that his idea is that, by breaking kayfabe, he can make it real again. The premise of the angle is that Vince plans to make fools of the WCW wrestlers, while the WCW wrestlers intend to do damage to the WWF superstars. So the angle unfolds with some WCW guys accepting the state of things. And other WCW guys go home and collect their downsides. And the rest of the WCW guys go about trying to physically hurt their WWF opponents and make the WWF opponents look foolish. Meanwhile, the WWF wrestlers are split. Some of the talent are company men, happy to be the winner in the war. Other superstars hate to see their brethren belittled and demeaned and risk their jobs to make the WCW guys look good. As time goes by, through attrition, plenty of refs throw up plenty of "X"s to signify injuries, with WWF superstars either missing time or working hurt. Vince starts scrambling to protect his top stars. How can he draw money when his stars risk injury being in the same ring as the WCW wrestlers? His plan is blowing up in his face, with battle lines being drawn. And all the while, the goal of the booking is to make fans believe that all this animosity, all this internal personal conflict, is real. You do that, then kayfabe can be reborn. This idea would be perfect, if everyone from WCW was actually signed. It has enough Attitue-ness to make it fit into the time period, but builds twoards the future. I actually have my own InVasion booking in my head, if anyone is interested. |
|
|
|
Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Aug 16, 2009 11:02:46 GMT -5
I like what the previews so far, i might pick this up. Also, I don't really see this as breaking kayfabe at all. I mean in storyline purposes Vince owns ALL of professional wrestling and can make his employees do ANY degrading tactic he wants them to do (keep in mind around this same time, he forced a female employee to strip in the middle of the ring and bark like a dog). So in other words, whether it be by making them get coffee or forcing them to lay down for every wwf wrestler, Vince has complete power to humiliate Ted Turner's WCW 'rasslers'
|
|
dsriggs
Samurai Cop
PHOTOBUCKET!!!!!!!!
Posts: 2,223
|
Post by dsriggs on Aug 16, 2009 11:07:22 GMT -5
The thing is though, the "I'm gonna job WCW out" part can be explained by booking handicap matches, heavyweight vs cruiserweight matches and other lopsided contests.
|
|
|
|
Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Aug 16, 2009 11:22:51 GMT -5
The thing is though, the "I'm gonna job WCW out" part can be explained by booking handicap matches, heavyweight vs cruiserweight matches and other lopsided contests. Yeah that makes sense too. |
|
|
|
Post by Handsome Halfbreed on Aug 16, 2009 12:09:06 GMT -5
I think Corny is right on the money when it comes to breaking kayfabe espically in regards to who wins matches. Remember that the Montreal incident is still fresh in many fans minds and that Vince does have the power and evil intent to determine who wins.
|
|
|
|
Post by eJm on Aug 16, 2009 15:18:20 GMT -5
The thing is though, the "I'm gonna job WCW out" part can be explained by booking handicap matches, heavyweight vs cruiserweight matches and other lopsided contests. I was also thinking about it like 'Ok, you guys want a paycheck? Let yourselves get destroyed. You fight back, you're breaching contract.' |
|
|
|
Post by JerryvonKramer on Aug 16, 2009 15:41:24 GMT -5
Honestly, I can't wait for this.
The Guest Booker series is fantastic.
|
|
|
|
Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Aug 16, 2009 16:16:53 GMT -5
I've so far only caught the one with Gary Hart, but I love the concept and am greatly looking forward to this.
|
|
|
|
Post by johnnyk9 on Aug 16, 2009 16:25:07 GMT -5
I've seen everyone except Gary Hart's and Luke Williams, Greg Gagne's is boring, Sullivans, Jarretts, Ravens, and Gabes are all interesting
|
|
|
|
Post by JerryvonKramer on Aug 16, 2009 18:20:14 GMT -5
I've only seen Jarrett's and Sullivan's but they were both really interesting.
Would love to see them all to be honest.
|
|
|
|
Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Aug 16, 2009 20:52:24 GMT -5
I can't stand Cornette lately, but I think the best way to have booked the angle would have been to make it a 3 way angle. WWF Vs WCW Vs ECW instead of WWF Vs The Alliance. It never made sense to me that ECW and Paul E, after being destroyed by WCW continually raiding talent would have teamed up with WCW.
First off, use the classic WCW Logo, the one that the fans actually knew instead of pulling a shitty one no one had any relation to. Next have the WCW guys job to ECW and WWF guys building up to a ECW - WWF showdown. Have the WCW guys do something to screw over one side or the other in the match, and you could probably keep the shifting alliances going for a good year at least. Whenever one side got too strong or too hot, the other two team up for a short while to take them down for a peg, but the "alliances" can never last too long because no one can stand each other.
Have each group play to their strengths, ECW wins brawls, hardcore matches and backstage fights. WCW wins Lucadore/Cruiser matches (of course WWF would actually have to air Cruiser matches...) they win big team battles (3 on 3 or bigger) and matches with weird stipulations. WWF wins singles matches, tag matches and matches with big men.
And for all thats good and holy, no McMahon fued substory to ruin it. Nothing told me that Invasion was going to be horrible more then Steph McMahon coming out as the new "Owner" of ECW.
|
|
