Book Razor Ramon as WWF Champion in his First Run

[KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!!]

How would it have happened?

[johnnyk9]

Have him defeat Bret Hart at the Royal Rumble

[quantum]

As above poster said have him defeat Hitman at Rumble then drop it to Hogan shortly before Wrestlemania. Have Ramon beat Bret under controversy as the Rumble. Then Hitman gets his re match against Hogan (instead of Ramon) at Wrestlmania. Have Hogan put Hitman over at Wrestlemania as 'the next big thing'. Then have Yokozunna beat Hitman before King Of The Ring. Giving Hart his King Of The Ring and Ruble win before beating Yokozunna again at Wresltemania 10. Two title changes on Raw in it;s early stages really would have given the show the anything can happen feel which the WWF wanted (a long with the loser leaves town match early in the year). Also Ramon could have taken Hogan place in the WWF Tag Team Championship match on Raw this would have gave Ramon a big rub and would have meant he was not just thrown on the card as he was against Backlund. It also would have lead up to Summerslam 1993 where Ramon met DiBiase. Could turn Ramon face and tag him with Beefcake. This was a time when Ramon was hot and was not tied up in the Intercontinetial title seen. Or had other storylines which w0ould have restricted him. Razor was very well used and put over in his run in WWF.

[chunkylover53]

I'd do it sometime in 94/95. Giving him the championship at the 1993 Royal Rumble would be too soon. He needed to establish himself as IC champ first, which he did.

[ICBM]

I'd post how I'dve booked it, but he would have no-showed anyway so I won't waste the time

[quantum]

Oct 25, 2009 14:01:47 GMT -5 chunkylover53 said:

I'd do it sometime in 94/95. Giving him the championship at the 1993 Royal Rumble would be too soon. He needed to establish himself as IC champ first, which he did.

He would have been more established as top WWE star by 1994/1995 yes. However Bret Hart was given his first title run (by beating Ric Flair) when he was not fully established as a top WWF singles star yet (1992/93) and the championship scene was fully booked and solid without having Razor Ramon as WWF champion in 1994/1995 (with having Bret Hart, HBK, Bob Backlund, Bulldog in the chase as well as Sid and Diesel as champion for most of 1995. Bret Hart, Yokozunna and Bob Backlund were champion the rest of the time). The championship seen could have done with another challenger/champion in the first half of 1993.Bret Hart wasn;t ready for tittle run at that time and was not ready to headline Wrestlemania with Yokozunna. A short title run would have helped establish Razor as a top WWF superstar early in 1993 and if it had gone as I posted previous Hogan could have gave Hart the much needed run that Hart was lacking. Beating Ramon on Raw then meeting Hart at the Rumble.
Or we could have Ramon win the 1993 Royal Rumble (with the same stipulation as the 1992 Rumble in which the winner becomes champion) Ramon as still a heel could have got beaten by Hogan on a Raw a couple of months later setting up Hart (who would have lost the WWF championship under controversy leading into the Rumble championship stipulation). Giving us Hart VS Hogan at Mania which was what Wrestlemania should have been about.

[probable]

He could have found the belt in the dumpster. Taken it. Ran with it. Silly yes? But unforgettable also.

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Oct 25, 2009 14:48:31 GMT -5 ICBM said:

I'd post how I'dve booked it, but he would have no-showed anyway so I won't waste the time

you realize that this means war right?

[mrjl]

I would say have Shawn win the title at Wrestlemania XI then Razor wins it at the next Summerslam in their second ladder match.

[quantum]

Oct 26, 2009 8:56:43 GMT -5 mrjl said:

I would say have Shawn win the title at Wrestlemania XI then Razor wins it at the next Summerslam in their second ladder match.

HBK wasn;'t quite ready for the title quite at that time. It took another year of a monster push including another Rumble win and face turn as well as beating 'Hitman' in an Iron Man Match at WM 12. HBK at WM 11 was still heel he was the biggest face in the company when he won the WWF Championship a year later. If you gave HBK the belt there would be no Iron Man Match at WM 12 which was the big drawing point for that year. I t would also inter fear with Hitman going on 'hiatus' after MW and the feud with Austin when he came back. This may mean Austin would not become as popular as he did during 1997.Without the feud playing out the way it did with Bret Hart. If you still had the Iron Man Match it would not have sold as well with HBK VS Hart without the initial build up to the match as HBK had already won the championship the year before. How would you have booked Razor loosing the belt back to Hitman or HBK before Wrestlemania to build up the Iron Man Match. Without interfering to much with other story lines going on at the time. Keeping in mind Razor was gone to WCW before Wrestlemania 12. Also how would you have turned HBK face without loosing the WWF Championship match at Wrestlemania 12 leading to HBK being powerbomb ed by Sid and saved by Diesel before there rematch on Raw leading to HBK face turn?. Also what would you have done with the Intercontinental Championship picture?. With two of the top stars in that picture at that time tied up in the WWF Championship. Also what would you have done with Diesel who was major over as WWF Champion and billed as the next big thing in WWF. Horrible buy rates and depression in 1995 or not Diesel was major over.

[Big Daddy Bad Booking]

1. Have Ramon beat Diesel at KOTR 95.
2. Mabel, fresh off his KOTR match, runs interference that Ramon inadvertenly takes advantage of.
3. Have Mabel/Ramon on the next PPV. Mabel loses the match because of a Diesel interference, and Ramon retains the title that way.
4. On that same PPV as Ramon/Mabel, you have the usual HBK/JArrett match for the IC title with HBK winning.
5. Have Mabel and Diesel go at it in the undercard of Summerslam, as a No DQ stip of some sort.
6. Ramon and Michaels go at it as a champion vs. champion match for the WWF title in a ladder match. Ramon retains, though there's no dissention between HBK/Ramon
7. Ramon has two straight sucessful title defenses at the September and October PPV's. Seems like Owen Hart or Hakushi could be good opponents, though the buyrates would suck anyway.
8. Survivor Series has Bret Hart/Ramon for the WWF title, which sees Bret win the title because Hart rolls out of the Razor's Edge and into a magistral cradle to keep Ramon down. No bad blood between the two.

The booking afterwards is where I go braincrossed, but this idea I see above doesn't sound bad at all!

[quantum]

Oct 26, 2009 12:06:33 GMT -5 Big Daddy Bad Booking said:

1. Have Ramon beat Diesel at KOTR 95.
2. Mabel, fresh off his KOTR match, runs interference that Ramon inadvertenly takes advantage of.
3. Have Mabel/Ramon on the next PPV. Mabel loses the match because of a Diesel interference, and Ramon retains the title that way.
4. On that same PPV as Ramon/Mabel, you have the usual HBK/JArrett match for the IC title with HBK winning.
5. Have Mabel and Diesel go at it in the undercard of Summerslam, as a No DQ stip of some sort.
6. Ramon and Michaels go at it as a champion vs. champion match for the WWF title in a ladder match. Ramon retains, though there's no dissention between HBK/Ramon
7. Ramon has two straight sucessful title defenses at the September and October PPV's. Seems like Owen Hart or Hakushi could be good opponents, though the buyrates would suck anyway.
8. Survivor Series has Bret Hart/Ramon for the WWF title, which sees Bret win the title because Hart rolls out of the Razor's Edge and into a magistral cradle to keep Ramon down. No bad blood between the two.

The booking afterwards is where I go braincrossed, but this idea I see above doesn't sound bad at all!

Ramon was injured before King Of The Ring therefore he was at Savio Vegas ringside. Also Diesel was still feuding with Sid at that time and Bam Bam with Tatanka therefore we got the big tag Team, main event. Razor was on his last stages of a feud with Jeff Jarret then he went into a mini feud with Dean Douglas. Although the booking sounds good. It would not have gotten of it;s first legs at King Of The Ring and interfered somewhat with other fueds. Also WWF had no reason to take the belt of Diesel at this time.

[mrjl]

Oct 26, 2009 11:55:08 GMT -5 quantum said:

Oct 26, 2009 8:56:43 GMT -5 mrjl said:

I would say have Shawn win the title at Wrestlemania XI then Razor wins it at the next Summerslam in their second ladder match.

HBK wasn;'t quite ready for the title quite at that time. It took another year of a monster push including another Rumble win and face turn as well as beating 'Hitman' in an Iron Man Match at WM 12. HBK at WM 11 was still heel he was the biggest face in the company when he won the WWF Championship a year later. If you gave HBK the belt there would be no Iron Man Match at WM 12 which was the big drawing point for that year. I t would also inter fear with Hitman going on 'hiatus' after MW and the feud with Austin when he came back. This may mean Austin would not become as popular as he did during 1997.Without the feud playing out the way it did with Bret Hart. If you still had the Iron Man Match it would not have sold as well with HBK VS Hart without the initial build up to the match as HBK had already won the championship the year before. How would you have booked Razor loosing the belt back to Hitman or HBK before Wrestlemania to build up the Iron Man Match. Without interfering to much with other story lines going on at the time. Keeping in mind Razor was gone to WCW before Wrestlemania 12. Also how would you have turned HBK face without loosing the WWF Championship match at Wrestlemania 12 leading to HBK being powerbomb ed by Sid and saved by Diesel before there rematch on Raw leading to HBK face turn?. Also what would you have done with the Intercontinental Championship picture?. With two of the top stars in that picture at that time tied up in the WWF Championship. Also what would you have done with Diesel who was major over as WWF Champion and billed as the next big thing in WWF. Horrible buy rates and depression in 1995 or not Diesel was major over.

hey, my concern is getting the belt on Razor. ANd bad buy rates add up to a guy being not majorly over in my opinion. For the IC title Razor would have gotten a rematch, same with Diesel for the World title picture. The 1-2-3 Kid would have gotten a shot at some point. Probably Bam Bam for jobbing LT.

[glorydays]

Razor Ramon was at his peak in 1994 so that would have been the best time to give him any kind of run. I guess they could have had Razor win the title from Bret at Survivor Series 94 and then have Diesel beat Razor for the belt at the Royal Rumble. Only drawback to that is it would have been two straight face vs. face world title matches on PPV. Anyway, Diesel holds it until Survivor Series 95 where he drops it back to Bret, and Ramon continues his Jake Roberts babyface run (doesn't need the belt....puts the new heels over) until he leaves the company in 96.

[quantum]

Oct 26, 2009 14:50:43 GMT -5 @glorydays said:

Razor Ramon was at his peak in 1994 so that would have been the best time to give him any kind of run. I guess they could have had Razor win the title from Bret at Survivor Series 94 and then have Diesel beat Razor for the belt at the Royal Rumble. Only drawback to that is it would have been two straight face vs. face world title matches on PPV. Anyway, Diesel holds it until Survivor Series 95 where he drops it back to Bret, and Ramon continues his Jake Roberts babyface run (doesn't need the belt....puts the new heels over) until he leaves the company in 96.

This is a good idea and I can;t see any draw backs except for two straight babyface PPVs. Which would have been a first ever in WWF. You could however keep Diesel tweener (so it's not strictly face vs face) until after the Rumble. However with this idea. Who would Jeff Jarrett face at the Rumble for the WWF championship- and feud till Mania with?. That was a good feud and they had two good to decent matches both at Rumble and at Mania. Also how would you have dealt with the Bret Hart VS Owen/Backlund feud and matches both at Survivor Series, during the Rumble and at Mania. Who would Hart have faced?

Also as far as buy rates and attendance go toward if Diesel was over as champion or not I have already explained twice in a different thread why Diesel was over and why he was not the reason for WWF being in a slump in 1995 (worst WWF Champion of all time thread)

[quantum]

Oct 26, 2009 12:37:23 GMT -5 mrjl said:

Oct 26, 2009 11:55:08 GMT -5 quantum said:

hey, my concern is getting the belt on Razor.

Everything else in the company which was going on in the title scene and elsewhere what would have effected Razor or the other wrestlers he was involved with matter just as much as getting the belt on Razor. Getting the belt on him is only one obstacle the other is booking it to happen. Which means everyone else surrounding Razor and the belt(s)