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Post by Pipe_Bomb2k13 on Sept 30, 2009 14:03:29 GMT -5
I would of loved to see Stevie Richards do the Right To Censor gimmick in ECW just cos it could of made the most hated heel in the company and maybe in wrestling and the time. But only a dream now for me!  |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 30, 2009 14:26:32 GMT -5
That said, I believe its a much greater shame that ECW went under than WCW. WCW was rudderless at the end ECW, though cash was pouring out and some big names had gone, was still looking like it had a direction and actually looked set to pick up. I think if it hadn't gone under there'd probably never have been an ROH, and CZW would have died around 2002-03. It's a What If to rival the WCW buyout, or arguably surpass it. Not to take this thread off-topic but I have to completely disagree with this. When WCW went under it was finally acknowledging its problems and trying to correct them. They just didn't have the time and resources to do it properly. ECW was the rudderless one at the end. Heyman refused to acknowledge he was burnt out, his booking style was outdated and the talent pool he had was lightyears behind the talent he had just 5 years earlier. That last year of ECW was just sad to watch at times. On topic, I can't imagine ECW's direction would've been much different then what it was doing before it went under - pushing young guys that were no where near ready (some who would never be ready) to be in the position they were in. I didn't see anything from ECW that would suggest any new talent was coming in to pick things up (although hearing about Lo-Ki now sounds interesting), and I saw no signs of a creative renaissance on the horizon that would bring ECW back to its mid-90's glory days. |
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Post by eDemento2099 on Sept 30, 2009 14:57:54 GMT -5
I would of loved to see Stevie Richards do the Right To Censor gimmick in ECW just cos it could of made the most hated heel in the company and maybe in wrestling and the time. But only a dream now for me! The WWF showcased the Right To Censor faction in retaliation against the threat of censorship that the company faced in real life from the PTC (The same fundamentalist right-wing special interest group that was responsible for over 95% of the phone calls that complained to the FCC about Janet Jackson at the Superbowl). Since ECW was less was mainstream than the WWF, it escaped the attention of the PTC. Don't forget, the WWF and ECW were both alive and well when the PTC's campaign of censoring televised wrestling was at its most aggressive point. ECW didn't comment on the PTC because the PTC didn't focus on ECW. And from a functionalist point of view, it was to ECW's advantage to let the PTC attack the WWF since ECW was in competition with the WWF. |
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Post by Pipe_Bomb2k13 on Sept 30, 2009 15:02:51 GMT -5
I would of loved to see Stevie Richards do the Right To Censor gimmick in ECW just cos it could of made the most hated heel in the company and maybe in wrestling and the time. But only a dream now for me! The WWF showcased the Right To Censor faction in retaliation against the threat of censorship that the company faced in real life from the PTC (The same fundamentalist right-wing special interest group that was responsible for over 95% of the phone calls that complained to the FCC about Janet Jackson at the Superbowl). Since ECW was less was mainstream than the WWF, it escaped the attention of the PTC. Don't forget, the WWF and ECW were both alive and well when the PTC's campaign of censoring televised wrestling was at its most aggressive point. ECW didn't comment on the PTC because the PTC didn't focus on ECW. And from a functionalist point of view, it was to ECW's advantage to let the PTC attack the WWF since ECW was in competition with the WWF. I was kinda thinking if you look at what gimmick was suppose to be i.e telling people what to watch and what to like and to the ECW fans back then it would of been a heat magnet, should of explained that better really. |
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Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Sept 30, 2009 16:33:28 GMT -5
I keep seeing people with plans for RVD.
As far as I know, RVD only showed up to the last PPV because he was paid in cash that night, rubbing a lot of the guys the wrong way. I don't think RVD would have been back unless he had been paid.
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Post by The Scuba Guy on Sept 30, 2009 17:33:02 GMT -5
The WWF showcased the Right To Censor faction in retaliation against the threat of censorship that the company faced in real life from the PTC (The same fundamentalist right-wing special interest group that was responsible for over 95% of the phone calls that complained to the FCC about Janet Jackson at the Superbowl). Since ECW was less was mainstream than the WWF, it escaped the attention of the PTC. Don't forget, the WWF and ECW were both alive and well when the PTC's campaign of censoring televised wrestling was at its most aggressive point. ECW didn't comment on the PTC because the PTC didn't focus on ECW. And from a functionalist point of view, it was to ECW's advantage to let the PTC attack the WWF since ECW was in competition with the WWF. I was kinda thinking if you look at what gimmick was suppose to be i.e telling people what to watch and what to like and to the ECW fans back then it would of been a heat magnet, should of explained that better really. Isn't that basically what the Network was though? Cyrus tried to change ECW, thus changing what the fan's watch. I don't know, it just reminded me of that |
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Post by DavidArquette on Sept 30, 2009 18:36:26 GMT -5
I was kinda thinking if you look at what gimmick was suppose to be i.e telling people what to watch and what to like and to the ECW fans back then it would of been a heat magnet, should of explained that better really. Isn't that basically what the Network was though? Cyrus tried to change ECW, thus changing what the fan's watch. I don't know, it just reminded me of that From what I've seen, that's true. He would strip people of titles and give them to people he wanted to see as Champion, make changes to various things, etc. I'm not sure he actually tried to "censor" ECW, he just wanted it to operate a certain way. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 30, 2009 18:39:46 GMT -5
I was kinda thinking if you look at what gimmick was suppose to be i.e telling people what to watch and what to like and to the ECW fans back then it would of been a heat magnet, should of explained that better really. Isn't that basically what the Network was though? Cyrus tried to change ECW, thus changing what the fan's watch. I don't know, it just reminded me of that they were making fun of TNN who really came down hard on ECW with restrictions and stipulations for TV. Of course, Paul E. either ignored them or made fun of them (which helped the situation SO much). Honestly, had Paul been a better negotiator, ECW on TNN wouldn't have sucked so much. |
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Sept 30, 2009 20:35:01 GMT -5
Isn't that basically what the Network was though? Cyrus tried to change ECW, thus changing what the fan's watch. I don't know, it just reminded me of that they were making fun of TNN who really came down hard on ECW with restrictions and stipulations for TV. Of course, Paul E. either ignored them or made fun of them (which helped the situation SO much). Honestly, had Paul been a better negotiator, ECW on TNN wouldn't have sucked so much. From what I have heard, the so called "restrictions" and "stipulations" were just no blood, no cursing and, use our equipment. |
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Sept 30, 2009 21:27:37 GMT -5
It's impossible to tell where it could/would have gone. They went under, then WCW went under. Who knows if ECW had never closed if they would have picked up and leftover WCW misfits who hadn't signed with Vince. Or ROH talent, UPW talent, OVW talent who were still on the rise. Cena in original ECW? Who knows. So many possibilities.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Oct 1, 2009 1:09:17 GMT -5
they were making fun of TNN who really came down hard on ECW with restrictions and stipulations for TV. Of course, Paul E. either ignored them or made fun of them (which helped the situation SO much). Honestly, had Paul been a better negotiator, ECW on TNN wouldn't have sucked so much. From what I have heard, the so called "restrictions" and "stipulations" were just no blood, no cursing and, use our equipment. I've read several histories of ECW which state that TNN was way more strict than you describe. For example, TNN initially pressured Heyman to get rid of the ECW theme music that opened up shows ("This is Extreme" by Harry Slash and the Slashtones) because network executives thought it sounded 'Satanic.' |
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Post by The Scuba Guy on Oct 1, 2009 15:27:23 GMT -5
From what I have heard, the so called "restrictions" and "stipulations" were just no blood, no cursing and, use our equipment. I've read several histories of ECW which state that TNN was way more strict than you describe. For example, TNN initially pressured Heyman to get rid of the ECW theme music that opened up shows ("This is Extreme" by Harry Slash and the Slashtones) because network executives thought it sounded 'Satanic.' I've been trying to boycott SpikeTV because of this. It's pretty easy since they don't show MXC anymore. That's so stupid. Anyway, imagine Larry Sweeney being in ECW. Would he be the manager he was in ROH, or the wrestler he was in all the other places he went to? If he was a manager, would he have a Simon Diamond-type stable, where unimportant people came and went (The Muskateer, anyone?) or would it be like a big stable like Raven's Nest? |
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Post by stevieraymark on Oct 1, 2009 15:42:16 GMT -5
Im not sure what direction the product would have went in, But Kid Kash would have become a HUGE star look at his late 2000 run he was over as hell, one of the most excting guys in the world (IMO) and they even gave him a short run with the TV belt. Sadly there was nowhere to go for him at this point and by the time he even went to TNA he just didnt have IT anymore.Damn shame.
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Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Oct 1, 2009 15:46:15 GMT -5
Plus as much as you might bash Paul E's relationship with TNN, TNN spends as much time promoting ECW as Spike Promotes TNA now. TNN also spent at least the last 6 months of ECW on TNN, negotiating in secret with Vince to get WWE on the channel.
I think Pauls mistake was thinking that TNN money was always going to be there. He finally took the time to lock up a lot of the ECW talent for a few years, instead of continuing to pay what he was paying and putting away the TNN money for a rainy day. But I think a lot of people would make the same mistake.
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 1, 2009 17:29:46 GMT -5
If you think about it, imagine the influx of talent that Heyman could have brought back or brought in after WCW folded. It's unlikely that he would have been able to keep a lot of guys from going to WWE, but I think he could have lured back guys like Lance, perhaps repaired bridges with Awesome for shock value, and gotten a lot of guys who were background noise in WWE, but could have stood out in ECW.
Realistically, if they could have survived, they could have been the same company ROH was in it's glory days.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Oct 2, 2009 12:18:14 GMT -5
On the Sweeney thing I imagine he would've been a Simon Diamond/Cyrus type guy. Heads a stable and is often a mouthpiece, but wrestles a bit too. But thats assuming Chikara started up at all in 2002 as if ECW was still around, the odds of a small promotion starting up in Philadelphia like Chikara did would be low. So there may well have been no Eddie Kingston, no Larry Sweeney, none oft he other Chikara graduates, and Quack and Castagnoli may never have gained the exposure to go elsewhere.
I think Awesome may well have returned to ECW, perhaps to be Cyrus's "saviour" after RVD finally beat Rhino for the world title. Storm I doubt would return unless the pay issues were resolved, but I think he'd have definitely made a number of appearances after his WWE run.
I would also imagine a number of Dragon Gate guys would have come to ECW, much as FMW used to. CIMA would probably have been a Tanaka-type top foreign babyface.
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Post by Dragonfly on Oct 2, 2009 13:33:08 GMT -5
Here's something else to consider:
Shortly after ECW closed down, a network executive from DirecTV approached then-NWA president Jim Miller with idea of creating an hour long, "best of the NWA"'style program for one of their networks. The show, dubbed International Wrestling Cartel by the exec, quickly went into production. Sadly, it was not meant to be. Shortly after the deal was made, the exec who made the deal was fired. The new network heads canceled the show before it could even air, citing "a change in focus."
At the time the executive made the decision, there were only three "major" promotions North America: The WWF, XPW (sad, but true), and the NWA. If ECW was still around, there is a very real possibility that they would have been given the show, not Jim Miller. There is also a chance that the show would have survived the leadership change. As a new exec, what would you rather have on your fledgling network: Jim Miller and Bubba the Bulldog's vision of the NWA, or an established brand name like ECW? Even if they would have gotten canned, the "DirecTV experiment" would have at least bought them some time.
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Post by The Scuba Guy on Oct 2, 2009 17:39:40 GMT -5
Here's something else to consider: Shortly after ECW closed down, a network executive from DirecTV approached then-NWA president Jim Miller with idea of creating an hour long, "best of the NWA"'style program for one of their networks. The show, dubbed International Wrestling Cartel by the exec, quickly went into production. Sadly, it was not meant to be. Shortly after the deal was made, the exec who made the deal was fired. The new network heads canceled the show before it could even air, citing "a change in focus." At the time the executive made the decision, there were only three "major" promotions North America: The WWF, XPW (sad, but true), and the NWA. If ECW was still around, there is a very real possibility that they would have been given the show, not Jim Miller. There is also a chance that the show would have survived the leadership change. As a new exec, what would you rather have on your fledgling network: Jim Miller and Bubba the Bulldog's vision of the NWA, or an established brand name like ECW? Even if they would have gotten canned, the "DirecTV experiment" would have at least bought them some time. That would've been awesome if they actually went for ECW and actually let it air. Nowadays, I could actually see ECW being shown on something like Fuel or MTV2, just because ECW was reminds me of those two channels |
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 2, 2009 17:41:26 GMT -5
I somehow completely missed out on this Oz guy, any pics or videos out there just to get an idea of what he looked like?
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