Joekishi
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 26, 2006 2:26:06 GMT -5
Hurt you? I wanna give you a....well......damn the filters! A warm embrace, shall we say? I truly thought I was alone in wanting an Umaga title win over Cena. Seriously the dude is awesome I forgot about his run of doing nothing but getting stunnered, and speared. Umaga has been the best monster in years, and the man can move faster than HBK.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 26, 2006 2:36:54 GMT -5
Hurt you? I wanna give you a....well......damn the filters! A warm embrace, shall we say? I truly thought I was alone in wanting an Umaga title win over Cena. Seriously the dude is awesome I forgot about his run of doing nothing but getting stunnered, and speared. Umaga has been the best monster in years, and the man can move faster than HBK. I mean, they wussed out on giving Rikishi a WWE Title run. Now's the chance to amend that. And like I said in another thread.....give Cena someone that he legit CAN'T figure out....because there's NOTHING to figure out. Let Umaga hold the belt for a while, and then, MAYBE let Benoit sneak in after the draft and take it from him.
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Post by Stu on Dec 26, 2006 2:51:35 GMT -5
I'd support Umaga for Champion if he ditched the spinner belt. Though since he's a Samoan savage, I'm sure they'd give him a belt made from coconuts and raw fish. That would actually be an improvement over the current belt. coconuts and raw fish>blingbling. And what exactly is the story behind WWE and MSG's relationship?
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Post by EvilShadow76 on Dec 26, 2006 9:21:01 GMT -5
I'm rooting for Umaga all the way. They should have him win it after months of being hyped up as a monster, but sadly they'll have him hit Cena with 5 or 6 spikes, run him over with a tank, and blow him up and will still lose to the FU/STFU combo
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Post by Topher is Human on Dec 26, 2006 9:33:55 GMT -5
I'd support Umaga for Champion if he ditched the spinner belt. Though since he's a Samoan savage, I'm sure they'd give him a belt made from coconuts and raw fish. That would actually be an improvement over the current belt. coconuts and raw fish>blingbling. And what exactly is the story behind WWE and MSG's relationship? WWE doesn't wanna work with MSG for two reasons 1) Jacked up booking prices 2) Anti-Cena
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omgking
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Post by omgking on Dec 26, 2006 10:15:33 GMT -5
I like Cena, but agree he needs to be "refreshed" as it were. So I wouldn't be pissed if Umaga went over. However, I just don't think there has been the proper to build to take the belt off of a guy whose had it for so long, except for the brief interuptions by Edge and RVD.
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Post by Matt Rogers on Dec 26, 2006 10:35:29 GMT -5
If Umaga busts out another Shining Savage™, as I like to call it, he deserves any belt in the world.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 26, 2006 11:23:01 GMT -5
I also wouldn't mind an Umaga title win. Now, I like Cena, but it'd be nice to see someone else with the WWE Championship for a change and Umaga deserves it.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Dec 26, 2006 11:35:17 GMT -5
But for some reason I actually kinda/sorta wouldn't mind an Umaga win over Cena, especially if it gave John boy a storyline beatdown to give him a couple months off and refresh interest in his character. I don't know who I'd have Umaga battle in such a scenario, BUT I don't think I'd totally hate the idea of him winning. Please don't hurt me. IF Umaga doesn't win, where do they go with Cena's character? Cena losing just works. Overcoming the odds to return to a shot with the man that beat him (sounds like Rocky III), Super Cena is back....in time for Wrestlemania. Works for me.
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Post by omgking on Dec 26, 2006 11:43:49 GMT -5
But for some reason I actually kinda/sorta wouldn't mind an Umaga win over Cena, especially if it gave John boy a storyline beatdown to give him a couple months off and refresh interest in his character. I don't know who I'd have Umaga battle in such a scenario, BUT I don't think I'd totally hate the idea of him winning. Please don't hurt me. IF Umaga doesn't win, where do they go with Cena's character? Cena losing just works. Overcoming the odds to return to a shot with the man that beat him (sounds like Rocky III), Super Cena is back....in time for Wrestlemania. Works for me. I'm down for something like that. He's there best commodity right now and it's getting stale, so that could work. More Armando works for me as well, dude is funny.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Dec 26, 2006 12:10:08 GMT -5
I'm all for anyone beating Cena, since his stranglehold on the WWE championship has bored me lately and I've pretty much lost interest in it. If someone new were to hold the belt, it may make me start caring about it again.
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Post by akkountent on Dec 26, 2006 12:19:51 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense from a business standpoint to have the belt on Umaga; he doesn't move merchandise as much as Cena does and he's not quite as indestructible a monster as Yokozuna was in late 1992 or early 1993. Back then, we didn't see a guy like Yokozuna come off the top rope and "sit" on his opponents and we didn't see guys like Yokozuna completely destroy American icons by making them bleed internally and spit up blood like Yoko did to Hacksaw on Superstars (except for perhaps Earthquake squashing Hogan on the Brother Love Show). We've seen several Umaga's come down the line in the WWE since the days of Yokozuna; which is why Umaga gets relatively zero crowd reaction / heat.
If Umaga were to start pulling off some really death-defying moves (like a Samoa-Joe for those WWE fans that don't watch TNA) that nobody has seen a big-man his size do before, then you have something, but as it stands right now, Umaga is just a "filler" main-event person to get Cena to Wrestlemania.
I'm all for something different and surprise title changes, but Umaga doesn't excite me as champion, and I don't believe it makes much sense from the business side of things, either.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Dec 26, 2006 12:44:28 GMT -5
So by your reasoning, only HHH, Cena and Edge should be champ because they are marketable? Um...sorry, but money shouldn't be the only reason.
You talked about Yoko, but he wasn't marketable at all either by your standards. He didn't sell merch, and guaranteed in today's age of fans he'd be ripped apart. But he was still around in the age of Kayfabe, so he could work.
No one's calling for a 6 month Umaga reign (at least I hope not). Have Umaga win at NYR. Then book a remach at Royal Rumble that ends in a double DQ or something. Gimmick match on RAW (like a street fight, Last Man Standing, etc. just no Cage match) and Cena regains the belt. Just enough for Cena to look human while not totally killing Umaga's push.
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Post by akkountent on Dec 26, 2006 13:44:36 GMT -5
Money isn't the only reason, but it's a darn good one from a "business standpoint" like I mentioned. We've already seen the Umaga gimmick before in the Yokozuna monster push of late '92 / early '93, plus we've seen the "Cena lose at NYR and gain it back before 'Mania" thing last year when he lost it to Edge and gained it back shortly after.
As far as having Umaga have a short reign like Edge did last year; I think that it doesn't work. It "humanizes" Umaga too much because he WILL eventually lose and lose his "monster" status; plus smarks will hate Cena even more for winning it again. Plus, it's not like Umaga is getting great reactions from fans; he's pretty ordinary except for his manager, Estrada which creates some comic relief once in a while. Why give a belt to a guy who the fans are "so-so" about?
About Yoko not being marketable, moving merchandise isn't the only thing you can make money on. In Yoko, the WW(F) created a beast which nobody could possibly beat; not even Hogan himself (i'm not counting WM 9). They turned that into a big SummerSlam '93 payoff to see if the American hero can finally overcome the foreign monster. I don't think Umaga is such a beast in the eyes of today's "smark" fans; and I don't believe Cena or anybody else for that matter will be touring the nation on a bus trying to garner support for beating the unstoppable Umaga.
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Post by MGH on Dec 26, 2006 14:00:03 GMT -5
The marketing and making money argument just shines another dark light on WWE. If they bothered to give people a reason to care about more than 2 or 3 people then they would be able to make money off of people besides John Cena and a couple of other lucky guys.
They put Umaga over Cena, HHH, and HBK in a span of 3-4 weeks, and no one gave a damn as he was right back to no contests against Kane.
The booking in this company is absolutely baffling at times.
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Post by Mike's a Midnight Express Mark on Dec 26, 2006 14:16:47 GMT -5
If Umaga wins, Umaga wins, but that still won't change the fact that I still won't care and will continue to snicker at the deplenished WWE title scene until someone reputable wins the strap.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Dec 26, 2006 14:58:38 GMT -5
i think we're leaving out an important point. umaga has less heat that tiger ali singh.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 26, 2006 15:02:12 GMT -5
Umaga won't be pinned or made to submit at NYR, he'll lose by DQ when Armando interferes, they have a rematch at the Rumble where Cena wins it after 2 FU's and Umaga passes out from the STFU.
I would like to see Umaga win it just for something different to happen.
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