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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Dec 19, 2009 1:40:57 GMT -5
Transformers Energon. Good god was it terrible, especially after Armada picked up and became a good show. Every single Decepticon was massively derailed character wise and the script was just horrible even for a Transformers show. I'm not going to erase Beast Machines because that had some good points and led to TransTech *Which needs to be revisited*.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 19, 2009 3:39:36 GMT -5
Grease 2,Matrix Revolutions,Shrek 3 A Nightmare on Elm St 2.
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Post by RatedRKoffee on Dec 19, 2009 3:46:54 GMT -5
Blues Brothers 2000. Allthough time is doing a fine job of erasing this on its own. Star Trek Generations, I smeging hate that movie. It seriously bogs my mind that a movie with the Enterprise D, captains Kirk and Picard, and a villian played by Malcom McDowell can suck and blow this badly, but it does, oh my it does. Did I mention that this movie has Kirk and Picard yet somehow still sucks? No movie this bad should have a character as awesomly iconic as Kirk's death scene it just shouldn't.
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Post by Free Hat on Dec 19, 2009 4:04:36 GMT -5
Blues Brothers 2000. Allthough time is doing a fine job of erasing this on its own. Star Trek Generations, I smeging hate that movie. It seriously bogs my mind that a movie with the Enterprise D, captains Kirk and Picard, and a villian played by Malcom McDowell can suck and blow this badly, but it does, oh my it does. Did I mention that this movie has Kirk and Picard yet somehow still sucks? No movie this bad should have a character as awesomly iconic as Kirk's death scene it just shouldn't. Yeah Generations was pretty bad, but the same can be said for most of the Trek movies unfortunately. Admittedly though the TNG films seemed to take it to a new level shittyness. That's actually one of the reasons I recommended RedLetterMedia's stuff. His review of Generations as well as the later films in the series are very entertaining. Here's part one of his Generations review.
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Post by RatedRKoffee on Dec 19, 2009 4:16:42 GMT -5
But that's why I hate that movie soo much, I LOVE Trek and really like the other 3 next gen movies. Orignal series is my absolute favorite of the shows I really like 4 outta 6 of it's movies. It would not of taken much to make me happy with this movie, especially with the talent in it and instead we have something that I think is worse than ST 5. Which is really bad and deserves the mst3k treatment.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 19, 2009 4:31:50 GMT -5
I think that the prequels could have been SO much better. Here we had the most terrifying character in science fiction, and we finally get to see what made him turn. It would be almost like a reflection of Luke Skywalker and how his trials could have gone horribly wrong. Instead we got YIPEE, way too much cgi, random characters that had no bearing on the original trilogy (Seriously? ONE Tarkin cameo? We get Jar Jar instead?), and it was too light. We had potential for one of the darkest periods in the galaxy, and Lucas decided to only incorporate that in to Revenge of the Sith. Which, in my opinion, is what makes Sith a quality film. The problem, as I've maintained, is that Lucas lost his cajones long ago. He made good and evil so black and white that Anakin's turn, the whole point of the prequels, is forced and unnatural. For example, we're told that the people of Naboo are suffering under Trade Federation occupation but we're not told how and we're never shown this anyway and thus we don't care. I hate the the main enemy are battle droids. Because the heroes can't kill humans anymore, even though Luke, Han and Leia whacked about a hundred Stormtroopers between them. Actually the droids wouldn't be so bad if they were actually a threat instead of comic foils. Ditto Grevious who, as soon as he falls into Lucas' hands, turns from stone cold Jedi killer into evil laugh spewing idiot. HOW do the Clone Wars last so long when everyone on the opposition side, with the exception of Dooku, is a moron? I had an inkling that we might be in trouble with The Phantom Menace when the opening crawl went on about trade disputes and taxation and blah blah blah. I came to see the legendary Clone Wars. Leave the politics to Star Trek, they do it much better. And biggest insult of all these Clone Wars, the thing the prequels should have been built around, we don't even see. We get the beginning and the end. There's no sense of scale which is worse when Lucas has no sense of conveying the passage of time ( Revenge of the Sith is supposed to take place across a period of 3-8 months but this never comes across). We get told Jedi are dying and the galaxy is on the brink of ruin but we never seen this. Show, don't tell, George! Sorry for going on a rant but the prequels are the biggest missteps in cinema history and their very existence annoys me. Yeah Generations was pretty bad, but the same can be said for most of the Trek movies unfortunately. Admittedly though the TNG films seemed to take it to a new level s***tyness. Hey, First Contact was excellent and Nemesis wasn't too bad.
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 19, 2009 4:37:17 GMT -5
"Return of Jafar".
Not because I disliked it (quite the opposite...for a cheap sequel cashin and pretty much a prequel to the Aladdin TV series), it had one curse to it:
It lead to a BUNCH of other Disney Sequels.
LIKE: Lady & The Tramp 2 Cinderella 2 Cinderella 3 Little Mermaid 2 Little Mermaid Prequel Lion King 2 Lion King 1 1/2 Mulan 2 Pocahontas 2 Beauty & The Beast 2 Beauty & The Beast 3 Brother Bear 2 And probably a few others that I'm missing.
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Post by Free Hat on Dec 19, 2009 4:41:56 GMT -5
But that's why I hate that movie soo much, I LOVE Trek and really like the other 3 next gen movies. Orignal series is my absolute favorite of the shows I really like 4 outta 6 of it's movies. It would not of taken much to make me happy with this movie, especially with the talent in it and instead we have something that I think is worse than ST 5. Which is really bad and deserves the mst3k treatment. I think one of the reasons Generations turned out so bad was that the two guys who wrote it had no experience working on movies before. The result is that the pacing is incredibly bad. There are long stretches where nothing really happens, and the audience is just left bored. The other problem is that they were also writing the script for "All Good Things..." simultaneously with this one, with the result being that one project turned out way better than the other. I think that's the main reason for the sloppy writing and gaping plotholes.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 19, 2009 4:42:21 GMT -5
Name a Disney film and I guarentee there's a straight-to-DVD sequel.
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 19, 2009 4:51:57 GMT -5
Name a Disney film and I guarentee there's a straight-to-DVD sequel. The Three Caballeros
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 19, 2009 5:09:42 GMT -5
Name a Disney film and I guarentee there's a straight-to-DVD sequel. The Three Caballeros Okay, not every Disney film.
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Post by Red Lion on Dec 19, 2009 5:48:59 GMT -5
Terminator 3 and 4, especially 4, me and my brother walked out of that film so pissed off, it was as if they'd shot our mother or something
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 19, 2009 6:07:38 GMT -5
Exorcist : The Heretic and Exorcist:The beginning but not Exorcist III that kicked ass.
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Post by Red Lion on Dec 19, 2009 6:11:45 GMT -5
Invader II
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 19, 2009 6:46:17 GMT -5
The post by Perpetual Nirvana made me want to research a bit. So, I'm listing what movies are counted as the Walt Disney Classics (made by the Walt Disney Animation Studios), and next to the ones that have been released, which ones have sequels. If there are no sequels, next to it will be the word "none".
Note that this is just counting either released to film not counted in the Classics or the DVD ones. "Rescuers Down Under" and "Fantasia 2000" are counted in the classics, so those don't count. This also doesn't count TV series.
ANYWAY.
-Snow White & The Seven Dwarfs: None -Pinocchio: None -Fantasia: None -Dumbo: None -Bambi: Bambi II (released 64 years later!) -Saludos Amigos: None -The Three Caballeros: None -Make Mine Music: None -Fun and Fancy Free: None -Melody Time: None -The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad: None -Cinderella: Cinderella II: Dreams Come True and Cinderella III: A Twist in Time -Alice in Wonderland: None (no, I'm not counting the upcoming live action movie) -Peter Pan: Return to Never Land, Tinker Bell and Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure -Lady and the Tramp: Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure -Sleeping Beauty: None (surprisingly) -101 Dalmations: 101 Dalmations II: Patch's London Adventure (the Live Action movies are spin-offs, don't count) -The Sword in the Stone: None -The Jungle Book: The Jungle Book 2 -The Aristocats: None (but one WAS planned) -Robin Hood: None -The Many Adventures of Winnie The Pooh: (deep breath)Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin, The Tigger Movie, Piglet's Big Movie, Pooh's Heffalump Movie, Pooh's Heffalump Halloween Movie -The Rescuers: None -The Fox and the Hound: The Fox and the Hound 2 -The Black Cauldron: None -The Great Mouse Detective: None -Oliver & Company: None -The Little Mermaid: The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea and The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning -The Rescuers Down Under: None -Beauty and the Beast: Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas and Belle's Magical World -Aladdin: The Return of Jafar and Aladdin and the King of Thieves -The Lion King: The Lion King II: Simba's Pride and The Lion King 1 1/2 -Pocahontas: Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World -The Hunchback of Notre Dame: The Hunchback of Notre Dame II -Hercules: Hercules: Zero to Hero -Mulan: Mulan II -Tarzan: Tarzan & Jane and Tarzan II -Fantasia 2000: None -Dinosaur: None -The Emperor's New Groove: Kronk's New Groove -Atlantis: The Lost Empire: Atlantis: Milo's Return -Lilo & Stitch: Stitch! The Movie, Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch and Leroy & Stitch -Treasure Planet: None -Brother Bear: Brother Bear 2 -Home on the Range: None -Chicken Little: None -Meet the Robinsons: None -Bolt: None -The Princess and the Frog: None (yet)
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Post by default on Dec 19, 2009 7:47:15 GMT -5
I think that the prequels could have been SO much better. Here we had the most terrifying character in science fiction, and we finally get to see what made him turn. It would be almost like a reflection of Luke Skywalker and how his trials could have gone horribly wrong. Instead we got YIPEE, way too much cgi, random characters that had no bearing on the original trilogy (Seriously? ONE Tarkin cameo? We get Jar Jar instead?), and it was too light. We had potential for one of the darkest periods in the galaxy, and Lucas decided to only incorporate that in to Revenge of the Sith. Which, in my opinion, is what makes Sith a quality film. The problem, as I've maintained, is that Lucas lost his cajones long ago. He made good and evil so black and white that Anakin's turn, the whole point of the prequels, is forced and unnatural. For example, we're told that the people of Naboo are suffering under Trade Federation occupation but we're not told how and we're never shown this anyway and thus we don't care. I hate the the main enemy are battle droids. Because the heroes can't kill humans anymore, even though Luke, Han and Leia whacked about a hundred Stormtroopers between them. Actually the droids wouldn't be so bad if they were actually a threat instead of comic foils. Ditto Grevious who, as soon as he falls into Lucas' hands, turns from stone cold Jedi killer into evil laugh spewing idiot. HOW do the Clone Wars last so long when everyone on the opposition side, with the exception of Dooku, is a moron? I had an inkling that we might be in trouble with The Phantom Menace when the opening crawl went on about trade disputes and taxation and blah blah blah. I came to see the legendary Clone Wars. Leave the politics to Star Trek, they do it much better. And biggest insult of all these Clone Wars, the thing the prequels should have been built around, we don't even see. We get the beginning and the end. There's no sense of scale which is worse when Lucas has no sense of conveying the passage of time ( Revenge of the Sith is supposed to take place across a period of 3-8 months but this never comes across). We get told Jedi are dying and the galaxy is on the brink of ruin but we never seen this. Show, don't tell, George! Sorry for going on a rant but the prequels are the biggest missteps in cinema history and their very existence annoys me. Yeah Generations was pretty bad, but the same can be said for most of the Trek movies unfortunately. Admittedly though the TNG films seemed to take it to a new level s***tyness. Hey, First Contact was excellent and Nemesis wasn't too bad. I think some of the problems with Lucas is that he was too soft. Gary Kurtz, I think, really made the first two Star Wars great. Return of the Jedi, without him, sort of showed that Lucas was more intersted in thrills and making the kids eat it up than his original story. It carried on. Oddly enough, apparently David Lynch was in talks to direct Jedi. He passed on it and did Dune instead.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Dec 19, 2009 8:27:20 GMT -5
Ocean's Twelve
Because it made the first film redundant. All the effort and plannng of all those separate cons to make one great robbery work only to find out in the second film, they have to give all the money back. With interest too!
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Dec 19, 2009 9:03:46 GMT -5
Terminator 3 and Salvation Came in here to say the same thing. The story would have ended JUST FINE after T2. Classic case of beating on a dead horse.
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Post by Bauertainments on Dec 19, 2009 9:19:31 GMT -5
Terminator 3 for sure... and RoboCop 3
Also, can we include seasons of TV shows? Because I'd throw in season 6 of 24 too.
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 19, 2009 13:55:13 GMT -5
Facinating list Chris, though it needs a slight edit as Rescuers Down Under is the sequel to the Rescuers.
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