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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 23:45:08 GMT -5
It's not 1996?
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 18, 2009 7:31:32 GMT -5
A couple of posts I want to touch on. Personally, I think the Simpsons have shown a gradual improvement since the move to HD. You know I'm with you on this Soundwave. It's been a slow improvement and it depends on the episodes, but there does seem to be an improvement in quality. I really liked this years treehouse of horror. as someone who may be a bit older than a few posters here, and works in television, i can say in my honest opinion, the simpsons still matters today more so than about 99% of shows on television. its decline isnt so much about its writing as it is about other shows that have come onto television since the simpsons started. a disfunctional family is now the basis for most sit coms on television both animated and live action. the simpsons has poked fun at this them selves, it means the characters lose impact and the show suffers as a result. the fact that the simpsons has influenced language, clothing, stereotypes, actions and the humour of many means it no longer has to represent pop culture as it is pop culture, the other shows that base style on it (and this isnt an argument about whats better or worse) like family guy, means that it is in a weird position, it is basically running as a parody of itself, i still find it funny, i still watch it, im in my mid thirties, i was there for the first episode i will be there for the last, after season one, i dont think it was made for kids anymore which probably means why kids today dont find it funny, they can get shock humour and masterbation jokes anywhere, they dont understand the need for subtle humour, and believe me the simpsons is full of it still to this day. and just on the original argument, is the 'ipod' not relevent anymore?, who in the hell decided it reached its peak in 2006 when it goes up in sales yearly? Well said.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 18, 2009 8:24:07 GMT -5
CNN also had a good article regarding this the other day (might be the same that they republished, I can't recall).
I enjoyed the series when I was in middle school...which was during the generally accepted seasons that are called it's "Golden Years" at least insofar as the CNN article is concerned. However, then I got into girls and guitars, so my interest in the Simpsons waned quite a bit. I still had it on, but it was very likely I was distracted with a guitar in my hands learning some Zeppelin or something.
I really, really want to believe that the series can continue to stand the test of time, but yeah, it seems that the consensus is that it's been on a steady and continued decline. However, money talks, so I wouldn't expect it to go away anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2009 9:55:10 GMT -5
Also to be perfectly honest When did it ever matter?
It's a show about a yellow family not some special revolutionary program Comedies never really matter
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 18, 2009 13:36:19 GMT -5
Im getting the feeling it'll be like SNL and wont end until one of the VAs dies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2009 15:54:59 GMT -5
as someone who may be a bit older than a few posters here, and works in television, i can say in my honest opinion, the simpsons still matters today more so than about 99% of shows on television. its decline isnt so much about its writing as it is about other shows that have come onto television since the simpsons started. a disfunctional family is now the basis for most sit coms on television both animated and live action. the simpsons has poked fun at this them selves, it means the characters lose impact and the show suffers as a result. the fact that the simpsons has influenced language, clothing, stereotypes, actions and the humour of many means it no longer has to represent pop culture as it is pop culture, the other shows that base style on it (and this isnt an argument about whats better or worse) like family guy, means that it is in a weird position, it is basically running as a parody of itself, i still find it funny, i still watch it, im in my mid thirties, i was there for the first episode i will be there for the last, after season one, i dont think it was made for kids anymore which probably means why kids today dont find it funny, they can get shock humour and masterbation jokes anywhere, they dont understand the need for subtle humour, and believe me the simpsons is full of it still to this day. and just on the original argument, is the 'ipod' not relevent anymore?, who in the hell decided it reached its peak in 2006 when it goes up in sales yearly? Bravo, good sir.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Dec 19, 2009 0:21:28 GMT -5
I disagree that "The Simpsons" has declined. Sure, some of the newer episodes weren't great, but I find that many of the new episodes are just as good as the older episodes from the so-called "Golden Years" of the show.
As for as mattering or not, I'd say that the show still pulls in enough $$$ to make it matter. After all television is about $$$ and the show definitely succeeds in that. (Of course having one of the most loyal fan bases in the universe doesn't hurt).
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Dec 19, 2009 0:40:20 GMT -5
I disagree that "The Simpsons" has declined. Sure, some of the newer episodes weren't great, but I find that many of the new episodes are just as good as the older episodes from the so-called "Golden Years" of the show. You are utterly insane.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 19, 2009 0:55:53 GMT -5
Well, I think we're conflicting the argument here: The golden years of the show? They absolutely still matter. They always will. The fact that they're endlessly quoted to this day proves their timeless quality.
But the thing that calls itself The Simpsons today hasn't mattered for a long time and I'm glad the media has finally stopped pretending it's the same show.
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Post by casualobserver on Dec 19, 2009 8:57:22 GMT -5
Honestly I've never understood that argument to begin with. To me it seems like more of an indictment of the television industry as a whole than praise of the Simpsons. Just because it's better than 90% of the other shows on TV doesn't make it good. It just means everything else is worse. I agree. How does being the "best of the worst" justify the quality of the show going downhill? Besides that, it's not even an accurate argument to me. I can find many shows on TV that I would rather watch than a Simpsons episode made today.
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Post by Tfmcmg is Johnny Green on Dec 19, 2009 9:00:52 GMT -5
Also to be perfectly honest When did it ever matter? It's a show about a yellow family not some special revolutionary program Comedies never really matter Wow you couldn't be more wrong. Comedies prove that's alright to laugh and make fun of certain subjects. Also comedies usally push the envlope far eariler then most serious tv shows. Also...There's that George Carlin seven dirty words and expanding freedom of speech thing. Probably should google that.
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Post by default on Dec 19, 2009 9:26:57 GMT -5
Also to be perfectly honest When did it ever matter? It's a show about a yellow family not some special revolutionary program Comedies never really matter Wow you couldn't be more wrong. Comedies prove that's alright to laugh and make fun of certain subjects. Also comedies usally push the envlope far eariler then most serious tv shows. Also...There's that George Carlin seven dirty words and expanding freedom of speech thing. Probably should google that. Yeah. I Love Lucy put an interracial couple into homes across the nation. Chapelle's Show was defintely groundbreaking when it came to races and stereotypes. Then for homosexuality there was Roseanne, Ellen, and Will and Grace. Sure, a lot of that had been done in movies, premium cable, etc. But those shows definitely were involved in revolutions to a degree. Plus, most sitcoms revolve around "back to square one next week" to some degree which makes it easier for them to tackle whatever issues they please. And The Simpsons definitely has a strong list of fairly serious issues over the years from death to animal cruelty to spirituality to vegetarianism to sexuality and more.
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Post by JDviant on Dec 19, 2009 10:03:15 GMT -5
^ I'll add 'All in the Family' to that list, and even 'The Cosby Show' to an extent.
Personally, I think the Simpsons have sucked for the better part of a decade, and have been disappointed with the direction of the show when I've tried to watch. But people say its improving, and if so thats a good thing for the show
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Dec 19, 2009 10:06:34 GMT -5
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that the show STILL entertains, is STILL funny, and is STILL more watchable than 95% of the pure s*** on television that they're pumping out of their "creative anuses".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2009 14:16:49 GMT -5
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that the show STILL entertains, is STILL funny, and is STILL more watchable than 95% of the pure s*** on television that they're pumping out of their "creative anuses". This is pretty much my opinion And don't give me that it being better than 95% of stuff isn't a compliment It's a damn compliment because it means the show is entertaining
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 19, 2009 14:30:43 GMT -5
I watch and enjoy every single Simpsons episode there is.
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Post by casualobserver on Dec 19, 2009 14:33:29 GMT -5
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that the show STILL entertains, is STILL funny, and is STILL more watchable than 95% of the pure s*** on television that they're pumping out of their "creative anuses". This is pretty much my opinion And don't give me that it being better than 95% of stuff isn't a compliment It's a damn compliment because it means the show is entertaining It isn't a compliment because it's just pointing out the shortcomings of other shows instead of why The Simpsons are supposedly still great after all these years. It's the same rubber-stamp argument that I've seen the apologists of the recent episodes make, and that argument alone does not prove anything at all. I'll listen to that claim if it's backed with a citation of a classic episode or moment from the last ten or so years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2009 14:45:28 GMT -5
This is pretty much my opinion And don't give me that it being better than 95% of stuff isn't a compliment It's a damn compliment because it means the show is entertaining It isn't a compliment because it's just pointing out the shortcomings of other shows instead of why The Simpsons are supposedly still great after all these years. It's the same rubber-stamp argument that I've seen the apologists of the recent episodes make, and that argument alone does not prove anything at all. I'll listen to that claim if it's backed with a citation of a classic episode or moment from the last ten or so years. It is a compliment because it means that I DO ENJOY IT Besides you can't point something out as Classic because it will undoubtedly called UNClassic by somebody because it's a subjective term There's probably people who didn't like the old episodes because of there references that they didn't understand That doesn't make them wrong it's just there bloody opinion
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Post by casualobserver on Dec 19, 2009 15:17:01 GMT -5
It isn't a compliment because it's just pointing out the shortcomings of other shows instead of why The Simpsons are supposedly still great after all these years. It's the same rubber-stamp argument that I've seen the apologists of the recent episodes make, and that argument alone does not prove anything at all. I'll listen to that claim if it's backed with a citation of a classic episode or moment from the last ten or so years. It is a compliment because it means that I DO ENJOY IT Besides you can't point something out as Classic because it will undoubtedly called UNClassic by somebody because it's a subjective term There's probably people who didn't like the old episodes because of there references that they didn't understand That doesn't make them wrong it's just there bloody opinion You're right, there are people who hate the old episodes, but that doesn't stop me from saying that Homer at the Bat, Homer vs. The City of New York, You Only Move Twice, and Mr. Plow are some of my favorites in addition to all the Treehouse of Horror episodes. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong. Apparently you find something entertaining in the recent episodes, and that's fine. I'd rather hear what that is than the tiresome rubber-stamp argument of "it's the best in the sea of mediocrity."
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Post by Jay Carroll on Dec 19, 2009 18:17:52 GMT -5
The Simpsons no longer matter? I never got what was so great about it to begin with. Granted, I've had a few laughs at it, but it never struck me as must see TV.
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