The QC Loser
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Post by The QC Loser on Dec 9, 2006 19:18:33 GMT -5
Could be considered "a hater" here but honest i also hate that you can't talk about wrestling with women around without then hearing " OMG Cena is so sexy oh go i want to etc...."
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Mr Captain Falcon
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Dec 9, 2006 19:33:09 GMT -5
Cena is the new Rock, whether we like it or not. It took Rock 2 years to win the big one. It took Cena about 3. Rock has movies, Cena has a movie and a cd. Rock had talk shows, Cena has talk shows. People hated Rock, people hate Cena. We're tired of Cena, people grew tired of the Rock around 2002-2003, and he became heel, people had a reason to hate him as a superstar. But ya know what? He came back again a year later and we loved him. Why? Cuz he's that entertaining. And when Cena turns heel and goes away and he comes back we'll cheer him more than anyone ever has. Why? Cuz he's that entertaining. It doesn't matter how much he's accomplished and how early he has done it. Theres still endless possibilities for him. Heel turn, gimmick change, changing shows, coming up with a catchphrase that people chant. Theres so much left.
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Post by Chris Decker-The Wild Rover on Dec 9, 2006 19:36:49 GMT -5
Cena is the new Rock, whether we like it or not. It took Rock 2 years to win the big one. It took Cena about 3. Rock has movies, Cena has a movie and a cd. Rock had talk shows, Cena has talk shows. People hated Rock, people hate Cena. We're tired of Cena, people grew tired of the Rock around 2002-2003, and he became heel, people had a reason to hate him as a superstar. But ya know what? He came back again a year later and we loved him. Why? Cuz he's that entertaining. And when Cena turns heel and goes away and he comes back we'll cheer him more than anyone ever has. Why? Cuz he's that entertaining. It doesn't matter how much he's accomplished and how early he has done it. Theres still endless possibilities for him. Heel turn, gimmick change, changing shows, coming up with a catchphrase that people chant. Theres so much left. only think rock did have thaty cena doesn't is a sense of humor. the rock could crack a room full of corpses up. Cena fails to even please the smarks. other than that I agree with you. I don't hate Cena as much as I did when i first joined this forum (and neither does this actual Forum anymore) and i stand by the fact that Cena is coming off as more credible as a Champion now.
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Post by MGH on Dec 9, 2006 19:38:13 GMT -5
Until John Cena draws in the same atmosphere as someone like the Rock, that comparison is questionable at best. Following the same career path doesn't make someone the next anything.
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Post by leemir on Dec 9, 2006 19:49:21 GMT -5
I'd rather say Cena has been giving so much so soon.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 9, 2006 20:28:09 GMT -5
in Raw vs. Smackdown 07, there is a story line where Cena decides he's going "back to his street ways", and becomes a thug to gt a world title shot.
I garuntee if he goes back to being a thug, more people would like him. I remember everybody in the IC was furious when Taker didn't job to Cena back at SS a couple years back.
Though, the Cena hate has dies down a lot in the past year. I think that has to do with the Cena/Edge feud being decent (most of the hate from that feud was that it took 2nd fiddle to DX/Vince).
I also think a lot of the Cena hate is because after he became champ and moved to Raw, Jericho and Angle were made to look like idiots (this being personified when Cena is booked in a submission match, and wins using the STFU for the first time ever). Atleast with Edge/Cena, Edge came out looking equal (although it would've worked so much better if not for obvious reasons).
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Post by odanobunaga on Dec 9, 2006 21:12:14 GMT -5
Er...The Rock looked and acted as a champion. Cena look and act as a chump.
The Rock made people laugh with jokes about the chraracters and situations. Cena makes jokes about poops. The Rock "layed the smackdown" while Cena says "You will need to call the navy, the army and the air forces to get out of the arena".
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Post by heffer111 on Dec 9, 2006 21:23:55 GMT -5
I bet if Cena got injured and went away for a year right now, and when he came back there was a super hated, heel champion and Cena made a surprise return , people would be going insane at the arena
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Post by bravoya on Dec 10, 2006 1:45:15 GMT -5
John Cena's in-ring character,look and wrestling style aren't the problem. WWE is helping with promoting John Cena but, considering WWE hasn't been promoting him to hell and back....his attitude and behavior are part of the reason for his success. His die-hard fanbase IS another reason. They're loyal as hell to him. John Cena doesn't want to turn heel and hurt his fans who love and care about him, because they are the reason he is proud to be doing what he is and why he cares about doing what he is. Real fans of his love and adore him. He did put RVD over at ECW ONS 2 so saying that he doesn't put anyone over isn't true. He put Edge over as well. He put over Angle when he jobbed to him and also put over Umaga some when he jobbed to him. You couldn't be a success without fans in WWE. No matter how much WWE promotes you. No matter how much wrestling talent you have. If fans don't like you it's way harder to succeed. How is it amazing that everything worked out for John Cena? His fans helped him out with all of that. It's not just John Cena accomplishing things, his fans are helping him with that.
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Post by bravoya on Dec 10, 2006 1:49:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't that far and say The Marine and his CD's were better than Hogan's or Savage's. The movie John Cena was in, "The Marine" and his,"You Can't See Me" CD are one helluva lot better than anything Hogan or Randy Savage's were. Go ahead, blame that on the die-hard Cena fan mentality or whatever you want to call it. I understand. It's cool I guess.
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Post by bravoya on Dec 10, 2006 1:54:02 GMT -5
I am not a big rap fan, but his CD is defintely worlds better than any cd that Hogan or Savage put out. Hell I will go as far as say Cena is better rapper than the Truth. Sorry but you can't compare the two CD's. Both are unique and bringing something different to the table. Ron "The Truth" Killing's CD is flat out awesome! John Cena's is flat out fun and enjoyable to listen to! Just enjoy the CD's!
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Post by bravoya on Dec 10, 2006 2:26:35 GMT -5
The crowd's reaction to Cena is an odd one. When he was a heel on SMACKDOWN! the crowd booed him because they were supposed to, but then, they (the fans) seemed to want him to become face because he was getting cheers, so the crackmonekys made him a face. At this point they just started their movie plans and decided to have him be the Marine. Once everything was set into motion and he went to RAW, the crowd started to turn, but they already had the CD and movie planned so you really can't have him heel (unlike Jericho's FOZZY, Cena's CD would be produced by the E). With Kane, you can have him star in a movie and keep him heel, because he's the villian in the movie. With Cena, you have to have him as a face if you have him as an action hero saving the day. They can make him heel now that all that is done though. But the problem now is the lack of faces in the title hunt. That said, it is cool that the stories are that he is a decent guy. Given the push he has been given, he could have a Hogan sized ego. I'm giving Trips a little bit of leway because of how he acts on Conan (you'd think he's trying to get a sidekick gig on the show) Smark shenanigans! Truth is that the only ones with the huge egos are smarks dissing him. Fans wanted John Cena to be a face because of the sort of humble,teddy bear,gentle,real, nice,loyal,considerate,good hearted,funny,sweet person he really is on the inside! John's fans didn't turn. They still supported the movie even though they also dissed it. John Cena is a face and doesn't need to be heel. NO FREAKING WAY! Another thing is, he doesn't make constant poop jokes so get that out of your mind. The smart and intelligent salute is cool and just acknowledging his fans who watch at home and who he is showing support to in return! John Cena doesn't have an angry face that looks like a gorilla either. That's an extremely ignorant comment. John Cena isn't the new Rock. The Rock backstabbed his fans and hurt them. People love John Cena like he's closer than a blood relative and they do care about him. People aren't tired of John Cena, I'm not and I say that John Cena is more than just entertaining. He cares about the fans who have no one but him to care about them and he is backing them! Look, he isn't turning heel, he is a face. NO WAY John Cena is turning heel! No way does he need a gimmick change and he doesn't need to change shows,etc. John Cena needs help to please smarks if you ask me. I mean, he is outstanding but can't work miracles on his own. His fans however.....can help with that process. Not true that if John Cena were to go and have street ways, people would back him. If he went back to being a thug, people wouldn't like him. Unless he were face. The Rock acted like a worthless CHUMP! John Cena is the one who is behaving like a proud champion! HE isn't the one who turned on fans. The Rock, however...DID! John Cena not only makes me laugh and connects with me but is able to make people laugh with his jokes about situations as well as not needing to make jokes about poops in order to be funny, which those jokes aren't really funny anyway. John Cena DIDN'T say to Kevin Federline that he would have to call the Army,Navy,Air Force and Marines to get out of the arena...he said that K-Fed would need to bring them to help him get out of it. NO JOHN CENA DOES NOT NEED TO GET INJURED FOR REAL AND GO AWAY for a year,come back and be super hated as heel champion and made a surprise return at the arena to make people go crazy!!!
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Post by MGH on Dec 10, 2006 2:27:35 GMT -5
Welcome back Warriorthug.
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Post by bravoya on Dec 10, 2006 2:29:19 GMT -5
Thanks, I appreciate that.
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Post by jcdenton on Dec 10, 2006 2:30:24 GMT -5
Thanks, I appreciate that. your welcome
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Dec 10, 2006 2:35:39 GMT -5
Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
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Post by bravoya on Dec 10, 2006 3:10:33 GMT -5
Help who you care about and respect others.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 10, 2006 3:18:11 GMT -5
Man, wt, you almost had me believing you weren't you for a minute. Good show. But you had to go and ruin it with the long post felllating Cena.
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The Raven
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Post by The Raven on Dec 10, 2006 3:20:52 GMT -5
Help who you care about and respect others. Stop it. You suck.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 10, 2006 3:22:29 GMT -5
Help who you care about and respect others. Stop it. You suck. I agree with the man who is almost my genetic double. Originally, I laughed at you because you were so bad you were funny, but now... well, it's just sad man. I'm not even laughing anymore.
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