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Post by Tapout on Nov 25, 2009 15:00:49 GMT -5
Inspired by watching Cena and Punk try to trade bulldogs on Monday (Cena countered Punk's, while Cena's was his usual awful floppy one-handed dealie), what current boring WWE in-ring spots would you remove (or do less often) and what new SAFE AND FEASIBLE in-ring spots would you add? (Hint: No Ganso Bombs or Death Valley Drivers or 450 splashes.)
Things to remove:
-2nd rope superplex - Seriously, this is THE ONLY TOP ROPE MOVE in WWE now
-Debuting guys from FCW with neckbreaker/reverse DDT finishers
Things to downplay/do less of:
-Bulldogs (Matt Hardy, Cena, Jericho, Punk all do them. Please cut down.)
-People's Elbow-like spots (MVP, Cena, Kofi all do them)
Things to add / add more of:
-Worked headbutts
-Abdominal stretch
-Sleeper resthold
-Dragon sleeper resthold (Undertaker used this briefly some years back, hell, maybe this could be an FCW guy's finisher, or a new finisher for Yoshi)
-European-style arm punishment restholds (had Nigel signed, we would've had this)
-Missile dropkicks off the turnbuckle (though I'm actually OK with Christian being the main guy who does them)
-Belly-to-belly turnaround suplexes (safer than overhead release suplexes)
-Tornado DDTs off the turnbuckle (hell, give an FCW guy this as a finisher instead)
-Northern Lights suplex
-Beal/gutwrench suplex
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Post by odor31 on Nov 25, 2009 15:46:11 GMT -5
What?
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Post by RI Richmark on Nov 25, 2009 15:49:42 GMT -5
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Nov 25, 2009 15:51:26 GMT -5
Inspired by watching Cena and Punk try to trade bulldogs on Monday (Cena countered Punk's, while Cena's was his usual awful floppy one-handed dealie), what current boring WWE in-ring spots would you remove (or do less often) and what new SAFE AND FEASIBLE in-ring spots would you add? (Hint: No Ganso Bombs or Death Valley Drivers or 450 splashes.) Things to remove: -Dragon sleeper resthold (Undertaker used this briefly some years back, hell, maybe this could be an FCW guy's finisher, or a new finisher for Yoshi) Haha yeah I think the announcers used to call it "Taker Care Of Business." Good times man. |
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Post by Mister Yummy on Nov 28, 2009 14:36:45 GMT -5
It was last year when i made the list, but there are WAY too many wrestlers using a variation of the Flatliner.
What's so dangerous about DVD's? Just m,ake sure they land on their back like they're supposed to, and not anywhere near their head. My 6 year old nephew can do one properly, why can't a professionally trained athelete?
I'd like to see less striking in general, especially illegal stuff like closed fists.
They should brink back big fat body splashes. The only fat guy left is Mark Henry though.
Sleeper as a finisher, DDT as a finisher, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 23:34:39 GMT -5
Thing to remove: Divas being pushed off the top turnbuckle all the way to the floor. This has caused several injuries already. It's not like this is some really exciting spot anyone would miss.
Things to add: Old school heel tactics!
Kicking the ropes in frustration.
Grabbing the ropes for leverage during abdominal stretches and all their variations before the ref notices.
Having the ref suspect the heel of cheating, and look to the audience to see what they think while the heel tries to convince the ref the audience is lying (all with in ring emoting)
Yelling at the crowd while holding the face in a resthold.
Leapfrogging/tossing face over the top rope and not checking to see what the face is up to, while instead turning away and pointing to their temples indicating how smart they are before of course being clobbered from behind.
The thousand other heel things similar to above that I've forgotten that take no athletic ability but greatly add to a match, that anyone can do.
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Post by Rick Mad on Nov 29, 2009 0:02:13 GMT -5
It was last year when i made the list, but there are WAY too many wrestlers using a variation of the Flatliner. What's so dangerous about DVD's? Just m,ake sure they land on their back like they're supposed to, and not anywhere near their head. My 6 year old nephew can do one properly, why can't a professionally trained athelete? I'd like to see less striking in general, especially illegal stuff like closed fists. They should brink back big fat body splashes. The only fat guy left is Mark Henry though. Sleeper as a finisher, DDT as a finisher, etc. Technically closed fists aren't illegal in WWE anymore now. That happened.. sometime this year, I forget when. |
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Post by Big L on Nov 29, 2009 0:11:10 GMT -5
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Post by manstis1804 on Nov 29, 2009 5:43:41 GMT -5
Someone needs to use a top rope splash as a finisher a la Val Venis, it always looks good and is probably the most underused move in the business. Also top rope elbow drops and guillotine leg drops, to me these kinds of moves are much cooler and more convincing than a move like Starship Pain, there's just not enough impact. Different power moves too, the dominator/gut wrench slam, D'Lo's sitout spinebuster (which ALWAYS looks more badass than a normal spinebuster), or the Scott Norton-style shoulder breaker would be sweet. I'm very glad Sheamus gets to use the Razor's Edge, I've been wanting that move to come back for a long time. Finally, I'd like to see more creativity with submission holds, its gotten better now that everyone doesn't do chinlocks all the time but they never apply moves to a specific body part like the arm or leg. So, moves like leg laces, fujiwara armbars, texas cloverleafs, holds that aren't finishers but are more than just rest holds.
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Post by Perigryn on Nov 29, 2009 11:06:17 GMT -5
Someone needs to use a top rope splash as a finisher a la Val Venis, it always looks good and is probably the most underused move in the business. Slammaster J uses one as his finisher. I'd like to see less schoolboy rollups. I'd like someone to bring back the Rings of Saturn, the Texas Cloverleaf, Gangrel's Arm Trap suplex, the Tigerbomb (which I hope Ryder adds to his normal moveset), Reverse Prawn Hold, La Magistral, the Stretch Muffler (over the shoulder single crab), a PROPER STF, the Cobra Clutch/Million Dollar Dream (Ted Dibiase Jr should alternate between this and Dream Street as finishers) and the Bossman Slam (doesn't have to be fancy like Abyss' Black Hole Slam if done properly). |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Nov 29, 2009 21:11:47 GMT -5
There are a lot of guys who do bulldogs, but I would mark if Golddust got a pin following one of his (it was his old WCW finisher).
I agree with eliminating some of the People's Elbow like moves. Why would a heel be stunned motionless on the mat for the entire lengthy sequence of the 5 Knuckle Shuffle only to spring up in pain after receiving the move to set up the AA? I always thought that looked utterly stupid.
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Post by thegame415 on Nov 30, 2009 3:33:04 GMT -5
knuckle sandwiches
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Nov 30, 2009 10:44:47 GMT -5
Need more ARMBARS!
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Nov 30, 2009 11:13:00 GMT -5
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Post by Mister Yummy on Dec 18, 2009 16:28:41 GMT -5
Closed fists are legal? It's not wrestling anymore, it's worked MMA...
No one ever told me what was so dangerous about Death Valley Drivers...
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Post by manstis1804 on Dec 18, 2009 16:42:33 GMT -5
I'll tell you what's dangerous about a death valley driver. It's a move that can potentially compress the vertebrae in your back and neck. You're landing on the top of your back, on your shoulders, with your head bent at an angle. To do a good looking one, the impact is similar to a vertebraker (horribly named move by the way). These are trained professionals and I'm sure they can pull it off fine most of the time, but the same goes for pile drivers and certain suplexes that WWE has banned/cut back. You're a moron if you let your nephew do that, and so are his parents.
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Post by Tfmcmg is Johnny Green on Dec 18, 2009 19:14:47 GMT -5
Blah I'm going to blame for this no matter how I say it so I'll cut to the chase.
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Everything from Misawa , Muta , Cima , Kobashi and Kawada.
Subtract -
Everything from Cena and Orton.
I miss the moonsault! And the brainbuster so very very much.
And the back drop driver. Oh and muta' cradle piledriver...Damn brb I'm going to go watch some NOAH and NJPW.
Oh and the moonsault! How I miss the moonsault!
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Post by Tapout on Dec 18, 2009 19:25:02 GMT -5
Blah I'm going to blame for this no matter how I say it so I'll cut to the chase. Add- Everything from Misawa , Muta , Cima , Kobashi and Kawada. Subtract - Everything from Cena and Orton. I miss the moonsault! And the brainbuster so very very much. And the back drop driver. Oh and muta' cradle piledriver...Damn brb I'm going to go watch some NOAH and NJPW. Oh and the moonsault! How I miss the moonsault! Yeah, you're not going to see any Emerald Flowsions or cradle piledrivers in WWE anytime soon. Sorry. Morrison's finisher is a moonsault. Also, Matt Hardy brought his back and occasionally hits it on TV. RE: The previous posts, the Death Valley Driver is dangerous because if botched, you can drop the guy on their head. You won't be seeing that move in WWE anytime soon, either. |
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Post by Mister Yummy on Dec 19, 2009 2:00:59 GMT -5
A properly executed DVD lands flat on the back. If you land on your neck and shoulders, of course it's dangerous. As for not seeing it in the E, The FU is a variation, though it's more of a fireman's carry slam.
Also, my nephew is the thrower, not the throwee. The throwee is my freind Justin, a very light man who takes pride in backyard wrestling. I don't imagine for a minute that my nephew could properly take a Death Valley Driver, or any other big slamming move.
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Post by Tapout on Dec 19, 2009 4:19:59 GMT -5
A properly executed DVD lands flat on the back. I think this is where we're getting tripped up. We're talking about WWE. A company that hired the likes of Heidenreich and Snitsky, and where "Big" Dave "I'm too blown up to move right now let alone pick the other guy up properly" Batista is a freakin' main eventer. It isn't a safe move if a botch happens, and the company can't and won't take the risk of a wrestling hold that, if botched, is that risky. |
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