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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Oct 26, 2009 11:58:02 GMT -5
The only thing i liked about it: Kofi running wild with a chair I'd mark if Raw started tonight and Kofi was still chasing Legacy with a chair through the back. We would ALL mark. Hell, we'd mark so hard our hearts would beat backwards. And that is why nobody will book it. Dammit, Raw...
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 26, 2009 12:03:18 GMT -5
Looks like I won the "Cena is the ratings anchor and there's no way they are taking him off RAW" bet.
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Post by ICBM on Oct 26, 2009 12:23:09 GMT -5
I have to admitt first off that I did not watch the event or this match. I read about the reaction and temporary stoppage of the match on a news site and figured I'd troll this forum for info. (I don't watch wwe anyway) My opinion on this is that while I understand the reasons(Linda's run, PG show, kids ect.) Vince chose to stop this one and clean up the face of thier promotion. The fact is that they let the show go on so I give them at least a credit there. My problem stems from the degree that the PG era has been taken to. If you hated this match and or the general direction of wwe on the whole I invite you to come on over to Spike on Thursday just once and compare. If you don't mind Ninja tutrtles, no blood in several cage matches, and the general 180 they have gone than nevermind this post. But if you liked what you were raised on as in the style than come on over and compare.
Enough on that. Cena is the face of the whole brand (WWE not just Raw). Him winning (I wouldn't call it going over, he's been over for a long time) makes sense from protecting his status within the brand. They probaibily should have protected Orton (the 5 second tap) a little better, but remember you havn't seen the follow up yet so give em a chance to explain how important that was. Maybe Orton uses that as the impetous for a change in his character. Give it a chance. See what he and the announcers say on RAW about it.
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Post by BIG DUNC on Oct 26, 2009 13:29:16 GMT -5
This was on last, they should have booked it with overtime, refs down, legacy out to save orton, kofi and someone out to take out legacy, then the rest of smackdown outside brawling, aonther ref comes in gets taken out, proper attitude era stuff, hell they could've started about 3 new feuds just here, have the hart dynasty go at it with DX, give either of them the titles and have them go at it. then eventually have cena hit another AA and that's it.
It doesnt have to be that mental but use the ending cmon.
As soon as it got to 5-5 you knew what was happening.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Oct 26, 2009 13:43:26 GMT -5
TBF, strictly in kayfabe terms, Orton was facing the wrong way to see the clock and 55 seconds in the STF probably feels like 5 minutes. He had no way of accurately guessing the time. I was there. The entire arena was counting down (7...6...5) so Orton could have known how much longer he needed to hold on. In strictly kayfabe terms, imagine you're in a really nasty submission hold (by the way, that's the coolest I've ever seen the STFU look coming from Cena), the blood is rushing to your head, your ears are probably popping. I imagine Orton was hearing voices in his head, but not the fans'. Either that, or so much blood was rushing to his head (I mean, the man was beet red) that it drowned out the noise. It happens. Either way, I don't think Orton knew how much time was left, in kayfabe terms. Besides, even if he hadn't tapped, it would have been a draw and likely would have forced a sudden death scenario. If Orton thought he couldn't go anymore, better to tap and save your career and live to fight another day, you know? Pattern alone has shown Orton he could probably just win it back in a month anyway. Speaking of which, does Orton get a rematch now? Because if there's one thing I hate about all these damn monthly title changes is that it basically assures you of a rematch at the next PPV due to the "mandatory rematch clause" (one of the banes of this decade's product, in my opinion). And if it isn't at the next PPV, they'll simply give it away on free TV so that you feel like a buffoon for paying to see it in the first place. Ah well...if Cena and Orton never face off again, it'll be too soon. But I actually enjoyed the match for what it was, in spite of the fact that I share a lot of the same complaints levied against the match in this thread.
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Post by Lionheart on Oct 26, 2009 13:49:27 GMT -5
I see what you did there.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Oct 26, 2009 17:17:11 GMT -5
I was there live and boy was that crowd dead for a great portion of that match. Honestly it was annoyingly paced, you can only have Orton run away so many times before the crowd began groaning. Also Cena lost a lot of that live crowd as the match progressed. There were massive dueling chants and RKO chants by the half way point, as well as a bizarre moment when the entire crowd was attempting the BOO/YAY reaction, but in execution it just sounded like both men were getting booed.
I went into that match not expecting much and i left with exactly what I expected. a long, lazy, slow pace match, with a few cool spots. It is what it is, those two working together just arent capable of putting on a good match that is of that amount of time. HBK/Cena on the other hand would work just fine in an iron man match.
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Post by Maniac Mitch on Oct 26, 2009 18:42:46 GMT -5
I posted in the other thread that I thought it was pretty decent as a stand alone match. But that doesn't mean I don't have my issues with it. Firstly, why have Cena go over? It made a lot more sense for him to go to Smackdown. Cena's dominated Raw for 5 years, and there's nothing left to do there. HHH? Been there, and probably where they're heading unfortunately. The Orton fued has to be done here (please?), so what now? If Cena loses, he goes to Smackdown and you open up a number of fresh fueds and matches, eg Cena vs Punk, Cena vs Taker, Cena vs Punk, Cena vs Morrison, Cena vs Ziggler even. But again we get another hotshot title change. Secondly, Stevie Wonder could have seen that finish coming. As soon as Orton prepared for the punt, it was blatantly obvious he was going to miss and Cena would make him tap. And another thing...let's use some logic here. You're Randy Orton. You're up by a fall with 20 minutes to go. You can't be DQ'd or counted out like previous Iron Man matches. Why the hell wouldn't you handcuff Cena to the ropes, get in a car and drive off? Nothing in the rules against it. You couldn't do it in previous I.M matches because you'd get counted out, but there was nothing stopping Orton from walking away at that point. Not the best finish to a PPV I admit, but hey I didn't decide to put that on last. /Rant Over. I feel better now. Even better would have been to have Orton cuffing Cena to the ropes, going oustide the ring, grabbing a chair and a magazine, and sitting down reading the mag for five minutes chewing up time while Cena's going crazy trying to break the cuffs. Would have made for a lousy wrestling match, but it would have been great heel heat(and it would have been hilarious). At that point logically, Orton should have played it like a football team that's ahead. Just keep doing things to chew up time run out the clock. I also like the getting in his car and driving away idea.
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Post by Fantozzi on Oct 26, 2009 18:50:54 GMT -5
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 26, 2009 18:56:41 GMT -5
I loved the match, but the only issue was this:
At the last tap out, they screwed up. When Orton tapped out, he tapped with 5 or 6 seconds left on the clock, and they let it run out. That wasn't fair. Orton and Cena had a 30 second rest period between falls, and Orton wasn't given his 30 second rest period.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 26, 2009 18:57:56 GMT -5
I loved the match, but the only issue was this: At the last tap out, they screwed up. When Orton tapped out, he tapped with 5 or 6 seconds left on the clock, and they let it run out. That wasn't fair. Orton and Cena had a 30 second rest period between falls, and Orton wasn't given his 30 second rest period. As has been pointed out, the clock never stopped on the 30 second rest periods, Orton was out of time.
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Post by mainsupreme on Dec 7, 2009 9:47:35 GMT -5
Orton did all the work, Cena ends up with the belt. MEH
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 7, 2009 10:31:44 GMT -5
Cena's a good wrestler, but Orton's duller than a butter knife. I could barely watch this the whole way through. Orton's terrible.
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