Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
Here since TNA was still kinda okay
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 27, 2010 4:58:30 GMT -5
All right then.
I would like to know why Mr. Emoticon Man didn't votee on the first two days.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Apr 27, 2010 8:40:55 GMT -5
My Lists:
Safe 1. Square 5. Sweet n' Sour 15. jagilki
Unsure: 4. OblivionSorceress/The Dom 6. Scruffy 10. Untouchable 11. Mr. Emoticon Man 14. Jonathan Michaels
Leaning towards Scum List: 9. D2 12. Butters
Scum: 18. alexk 19. crudulak/jazzman
Vote: Crud/Jazzman ... for the same reasons I gave yesterday
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Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 27, 2010 9:23:45 GMT -5
Weren't you the one who gave me grief for sticking with my alexk vote after he claimed town?
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Apr 27, 2010 10:15:04 GMT -5
*looks* Yep, you're right. Was thinking that was over jag. Alex claimed el dandy. Thus safe.
Too much time in between thinking about this.
Safe 1. Square 5. Sweet n' Sour 15. jagilki 18. alexk
Unsure: 4. OblivionSorceress/The Dom 6. Scruffy 10. Untouchable 11. Mr. Emoticon Man 14. Jonathan Michaels
Leaning towards Scum List: 9. D2 12. Butters
Scum: 19. crudulak/jazzman
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Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
Here since TNA was still kinda okay
Posts: 18,223
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 27, 2010 11:56:01 GMT -5
What's your specific vibe from Emoticon?
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Apr 27, 2010 12:02:40 GMT -5
Involved... tho was heavily in sawyer's sights(along with butters) and got targeted by both the mafias(by the looks of it).
As said earlier, if I go by my feeling towards him, i'd say town... But got nothing to back that up, just feeling. Being on Sawyer's scum list has me still suspisious of him.
Alex, Jag, Square... your thoughts?
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Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
Here since TNA was still kinda okay
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 27, 2010 12:07:56 GMT -5
Well, I've ben suspicious of Square somewhat, but frankly I forgot jag was still in, which is a bad sign.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Apr 27, 2010 12:24:12 GMT -5
i believe him to be snitzky(who survived the last game)... he didn't claim it, but his constant "not my fault" posts were his hint that i pointed out. Noone else has contested this, so I have to believe it as true.
Square claimed to be the doctor(tho no name given) and that role hasnt come up yet even in the writeups... So, i'm still watching it... but see no reason to challange that claim at this time, so again... i must believe it.
The fact both of these are pretty much accepted as town, and you keep focusing in on them with nothing to back up your claim nor dispute their roles is rather alarming tho.
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Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 27, 2010 12:28:28 GMT -5
Actually, I've pretty much stopped focusing on them and am looking at MEM, D2 and Untouchable.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 27, 2010 16:40:16 GMT -5
I'm confused -- looks like both sets of people ran into each other while killing Sawyer, and the first place that makes me look is at the list that Sawyer posted about who they saw as the main mafia members...
group 1 1. Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan 2. Latino "Butters" Meat 3. Michael Hayden
group 2 1. Crudulak/Jazzman 2. Cthulhu-ish Jonathan Michaels 3. Untouchable Goes Elite
Hayden was lynched, and turned up town. Does that mean that the other two Sawyer felt that were with Hayden were also town? I'm starting to believe so.
Michaels, Untouchable, and crud/Jazz seem like a good place to start.
We are losing our power roles left and right -- let's get something going, town members!
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Apr 27, 2010 16:43:44 GMT -5
I've explained numerous times why I didn't vote in the first two days, but I'll be happy to re-post those posts if anyone insists.I will be curious if anyone latches onto me for that when my reasons went uncontested earlier in the game, though. Also... So, they topped the town leader.... Someone took out Sawyer because she could have rallied the town towards a vote for them. But who could that be? I find it interesting that you claim to know why Sawyer was killed. Especially since it's just as easy (and more logical) for the Mafia to kill someone they had no quarrel with solely to get the Town to think that someone was killed to insure their silence. After all, kill someone you have links to, and those links can haunt you; draw a random name or kill someone with links to others, though, and you set a false trail to hide behind.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Apr 27, 2010 17:02:15 GMT -5
I just realized something potentially interesting.
Square claims to be a Doctor, but no (Town) Doctor has shown up in the write-ups yet.
Based on the write-ups, though, Fake Diesel very well could be a Mafia Doctor; after all, it looks like he saved Fake Razor's life, implying a doctor or bodyguard power.
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Post by The Dom on Apr 27, 2010 17:42:29 GMT -5
Vote: Sweet N Sour I'm still sticking to my original list. I got the bad vibe off him early on and I still don't see him as on our side. I've been following the game since I was lynched and everything he has done has just been a little too off for my liking.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 27, 2010 20:25:46 GMT -5
So, they topped the town leader.... Someone took out Sawyer because she could have rallied the town towards a vote for them. But who could that be? I find it interesting that you claim to know why Sawyer was killed. Especially since it's just as easy (and more logical) for the Mafia to kill someone they had no quarrel with solely to get the Town to think that someone was killed to insure their silence. After all, kill someone you have links to, and those links can haunt you; draw a random name or kill someone with links to others, though, and you set a false trail to hide behind. That's fair enough to say. However, before killing the town leader it is imperative that you will not get any flak at all. So more often then not, it's going to be someone that the town is pretty sure is a good guy that was able to coast under the radar. Because who is going to investigate someone that was unchallenged when they claimed town? It would be rather stupid for me to kill off Sawyer since I am presently upon multiple radars if even as possible scum.
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jagilki
Patti Mayonnaise
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Post by jagilki on Apr 27, 2010 22:40:44 GMT -5
Look.
1st I want to apologize for flaking out on this game. When the last day phase was going on, I believe I was fairly sick. NO excuse as I was able to fulfill other internet obligations.
The one thing I've said over and over is that these games on Wrestlecrap are completely different beasts than I'm used to. In the time this game has been going on EFK has ran three or so games.
It's not a bad or good thing. The players here are much more analytical and read WAY WAY more into everything than they do other places.
Now, I've got all this out of the way, I don't really have tons of "thought" right this minuet. however, I'm going to jump out on a limb and Vote Crud/Jazz
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Apr 28, 2010 10:40:07 GMT -5
Vote: Sweet N Sour I'm still sticking to my original list. I got the bad vibe off him early on and I still don't see him as on our side. I've been following the game since I was lynched and everything he has done has just been a little too off for my liking. You're original list? *looks* Found it... From The Dom V1.0 You know what screw it I'm gonna die anyways as a result of the mafia leading the lynch so here comes your mafia members Ritt Square Sawyer Sweet N Sour JM OS Pretty damn sure Square and Ritt are aligned and using their bs bickering to distance themselves from each other. When i come back town like I am, All of them are going to rest on their idea that they got other town to go along with them because I went after them hard enough and seemed scummy as way of putting themselves in the clear longer and pulling the same thing they are pulling with the BD lynch and say those who defend me are the scum trying to hide. Finally you all want me to vote than fine Vote: Sawyer My money is on Sawyer being the GF and is able to go after me this hard because she knows that if our cop does decide to look into her she will come back innocent. Call it a punk move to accept defeat right now, but if it helps prove me right and nail the real scum I'll sacrifice myself for the town Ritt... Godfather... Correct Square... Claimed Doctor... no name... Not shown up in writeups yet... unsure Sawyer... Town Power Role ... Wrong SNS... tho I'm the only one that knows this 100%... Town... Wrong JM ... Still don't know OS... character is now controlled by Dom --- So why me dom? The man who has cleared both Jag and Alexk? Why not JM who has gone after known town people? Do you disagree that they are town? If so, why? OS didn't do much before getting replaced, so there isn't a whole lot to go on. It does strike me odd that she never voted once in this game.
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Post by The Dom on Apr 28, 2010 12:27:40 GMT -5
Clearing town is an easy tactic by Scum, but can backfire in a game like this. Let's count out The Klaq for a moment. Mafia believes themselves to be the only mafia, so what do they do, they clear town members as a way of aligning themselves with them so they can go back and say see I told you they were town and push suspicion on to someone else who voted for them or questioned it. You've been playing that way and it is what has me concerned. Now You have your little safe list that is a little disturbing in it's own way. I'm still not fully sold on Square. I believe him about the situation that happened but not sold on him actually being the Doctor or town for that matter. But the simple fact that you placed yourself in the safe group with him, Alex, and Jag is of course obvious because we all want to say we are town, but you aren't basing your list off of evidence, you're just basing it on your say so. Now I might add how funny it is that Square goes from being on your safe list to suddenly you look at my list and are now unsure. What made you change your Mind? jm, I don't think Jag is a threat to the town. It's obvious he hasn't been paying full attention to the game as he keeps making reference to the fact our games at EFK go faster and he seems to be kind of forgetting this game a bit. With both sides having their mafia active I highly doubt he is mafia. And finally before you jump all over me for saying Count out the Klaq that was for that part only. When you factor in a second mafia it makes it more of a crap shoot to say ok this person has to be town cause they aren't mafia. You could easily slip up and align yourself with a mafia member unknowingly and you're plan would fall to shit. Just like Sawyer pushed with me I'm gonna push you a bit and try and get you to actually defend yourself to see where you stand. Trust me I'm good enough at reading people to really determine what side your on if you actually give a defense rather than playing the way you are now
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Apr 28, 2010 12:52:02 GMT -5
Mafia believes themselves to be the only mafia, so what do they do, they clear town members as a way of aligning themselves with them so they can go back and say see I told you they were town and push suspicion on to someone else who voted for them or questioned it. You've been playing that way and it is what has me concerned. Now You have your little safe list that is a little disturbing in it's own way. I'm still not fully sold on Square. I believe him about the situation that happened but not sold on him actually being the Doctor or town for that matter. But the simple fact that you placed yourself in the safe group with him, Alex, and Jag is of course obvious because we all want to say we are town, but you aren't basing your list off of evidence, you're just basing it on your say so. So I should put myself on the scum list!? Or the unsure list? Its MY lists and i know i'm town. Letting people know what you are thinking helps. Keeping it to yourself and allowing potentially useful information to go to waste helps the mafia... not the town. If you look... i was the first one to point out that the doctor role hadnt shown up in writeups. Seems like someone else isn't paying attention. I'm not saying people aren't mafia cause of what they do and what they aren't... i'm going by the fact that I can pinpoint their town character. I know exactly who they are. Square is the only odd one that is on the safe list cause he claimed doctor... which noone refuted. Why should I have doubted him at the time? We've had a doctor in every other game... why not this one? I still have my doubts, but for now, he's on my safe list. Playing the way I am now? I play the way I always do... analytical... and when possible... by the numbers. I wear my thoughts on my sleeve for everyone to see. Have done that every game. So... your turn... Why should I believe you aren't just trying to throw me off my scent? Maybe i'm getting just a little too close to one of your mafia buddies and you want the town to lynch me before I have a chance to out him? Why accept what you say, but not me?
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Post by The Dom on Apr 28, 2010 13:15:06 GMT -5
Unvote
Easy I wanted to see where you really stood. Up til now your posts were just there and weren't really as analytical as you claim to play. All you were really doing was stating the obvious and that's what I don't like. As far as Square being the Doctor, here's the way I see it, if he is Mafia it's a good claim. The only person who could really dispute this would be The actual Doctor (if it's not Square). The only way for that to come out would be for the Doctor to out themselves, thus putting a target on their back and with no one to protect them, they are dead.
SNS you seemed like a strong player the last time I played with you and honestly the only reason I threw your name on my list in the first place, was I hoped I could get the mafia people off of my lynch and move them towards you as a way of weeding them out from those who were just not used to my style. I believe you do have use in this game for us and as such I am willing to follow you on your hunch as you know the players and their style here better than I do with the exception of Alex and Jag.
Vote: Jazzman
BTW Square is still not clear in my book.
D2 (based off of his actions) I believe may just be a Jester so there is really no point in lynching him unless we have to.
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Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 28, 2010 18:36:08 GMT -5
Yeah, he's acting too erratic to not be a jester.
The problem for me is, i can't vote for Jazzman because I don't want to be accused of bandwagoning.
There's two people we really need to hear from right now, Square and MEM.
And if anyone has questions for me, please bring them forward.
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