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Post by JerryvonKramer on Nov 10, 2009 14:05:46 GMT -5
I use the term "IWC" mainly to describe wrestling fans who post on the internet who think they are "smart" and value workrate above all else. Typically, Dean Malenko will be their hero and they will hate Hulk Hogan, The Rock and other such charisma over workrate types.
In my opinion these people just don't understand or appreciate wrestling, on any level -- including the level of what makes a good worker.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 10, 2009 14:11:27 GMT -5
I use the term "IWC" mainly to describe wrestling fans who post on the internet who think they are "smart" and value workrate above all else. Typically, Dean Malenko will be their hero and they will hate Hulk Hogan, The Rock and other such charisma over workrate types. In my opinion these people just don't understand or appreciate wrestling, on any level -- including the level of what makes a good worker. Ah, but by that standard, the only ones who appreciate wrestling are those who see the ability to talk as the "holy grail" of the industry, and anyone who shows a preference for something moer akin to what wrestling was for the first two thirds of the twentieth century are somehow wrong. As I said in my initial post, the IWC is nothing more than a location, that's it, a gathering place for people to share a common interest, regardless of what aspect they enjoy more. Anything beyond that is a subset. I do not deny people their particular interest, for it is subjective from oen to the next. Keep in mind, though, that "popular" does not translate to "this must be what you like, because it is what others like". This distinction can go many ways.
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Post by JerryvonKramer on Nov 10, 2009 14:23:36 GMT -5
I use the term "IWC" mainly to describe wrestling fans who post on the internet who think they are "smart" and value workrate above all else. Typically, Dean Malenko will be their hero and they will hate Hulk Hogan, The Rock and other such charisma over workrate types. In my opinion these people just don't understand or appreciate wrestling, on any level -- including the level of what makes a good worker. Ah, but by that standard, the only ones who appreciate wrestling are those who see the ability to talk as the "holy grail" of the industry, and anyone who shows a preference for something moer akin to what wrestling was for the first two thirds of the twentieth century are somehow wrong. As I said in my initial post, the IWC is nothing more than a location, that's it, a gathering place for people to share a common interest, regardless of what aspect they enjoy more. Anything beyond that is a subset. I do not deny people their particular interest, for it is subjective from oen to the next. Keep in mind, though, that "popular" does not translate to "this must be what you like, because it is what others like". This distinction can go many ways. I try to view it holistically. A combination of in-ring ability, psychology, working the crowd, talking on the mic, charisma, acting skills, and so on. The reason I was a bit disparaging is because it seems to me that there are some "IWC" fans who doesn't really know what "workrate" means. They think it's being able to do 15 German suplexes and a swanton bomb rather than telling a story in the ring. I don't actually think there are any such fans who post on this board, which is one of the reasons I post here. Generally when I say "IWC", I'm talking about fans from other sites and people like Scott Keith.
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Post by tap on Nov 10, 2009 14:29:21 GMT -5
In reality, it is nothing more than a meeting place for persons to discuss (positively, negatively, nonsensically, whatever) wrestling. While it may have trends or things that are popular within that segment, it should be noted that by no means does it guarantee the feeling is a universal absolute. Interestingly, there is, to me, a subculture within the subculture that will rail against anything seen as "popular" amongst either a majority or even a large number of persons that inhabit or frequent the space that is the IWC. To those individuals, they are seprate from, rather than a part of, the "group". This segment will rail against the entity they see as the "IWC" that is, in reality, simply another group of poeple sharing an opinion within the same "building" so to speak. What this means is, there are many "groups" within the "IWC". THere are also many individuals who are not part of any "group" and simply move about as they please. However, simply by utilizing the interwebs, as the kids say, to discuss, ponder, support, cheer, boo, or gargle about wrestling at all, a person is automatically an inhabitent oof the "building" that is the IWC. I agree with this, but I would also add that no one truly knows how many people this space encompasses, so when people say 5% of wrestling fans are a part of the IWC, I kind of find that hard to believe... you're telling me 5% of wrestling fans have a computer or internet? Nor am I saying 95% of the audience are a part of the IWC either... the true number is probably in the middle, my best guess anyway. Just take a look at how many people knew about Lesnar was leaving at WMXX who were at that show and that news broke I think that weekend I do believe. Or, it was very sudden anyway.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Nov 10, 2009 14:35:17 GMT -5
Any and all wrestling fans who converse on a semi-regular basis on the subject via the internet, divided into hundreds of sub groups due to the many differing aspects of wrestling one can find enjoyable.
Usually characterised as joyless and overly critical.
Also characterised as having "no life", especially in lieu of actual criticism even though posting a few times per day probably does not eat up that much free time.
Also characterised as trumpeting the nebulous concept of "workrate" above all else. This is, of course, only done by some members but it has been considered an IWC standard, probably due to the preference of nearly all reporters and match raters in the last 15 prefering this standard of wrestling.
Usually rebutted in its opinions by cunningly revealing the individual poster's lack of in-ring experience as wrestling is the only activity in the known world that requires hands on experience at a professional level before you can comment on it.
Characterised as having an overinflated sense of importance, due to a lack of perspective and the constant reaffirmation of their opinions by others in the same group.
Also characterised as eternally deriding the staus quo simply because it is the status quo, regardless of quality and suffering from an overwhelming longing for the past, no matter their view of it at the time.
Characterised as never changing its views and being idiots because of it.
Characterised as always flip flopping and being idiots because of it.
Overinflated sense of importance aided by the occassional wading of professional wrestlers into making comments, usually comprised of some combination of the above, about the IWC.
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Post by DavidArquette on Nov 10, 2009 15:21:07 GMT -5
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Nov 10, 2009 15:32:49 GMT -5
I love how all around Indy the sewers have "IWC" on top of them. It makes a lot of sense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2009 15:35:57 GMT -5
Internet Wrestling Community.
Everyone on this board is part of the IWC. So are people who go to some social forum online and discuss wrestling.
The IWC here may be different than the IWC at the WWE.com forums or sherdog or where ever else, but we are all still IWC.
The sad news - if you like wrestling and own a computer - you're probably part of the IWC
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Nov 10, 2009 15:41:40 GMT -5
The way people use it, they mean the general consensus of wrestling fans on the internet. Which is why sometimes it can apply to you, sometimes it doesn't making it not necessarily hypocritical.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Nov 10, 2009 15:46:35 GMT -5
The IWC is a family when we agree with popular lines of thinking: "CM Punk's Title Runs" The IWC is our mortal enemy when we disagree: "John Cena is horrible at his job."
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Post by chunkylover53 on Nov 10, 2009 16:14:38 GMT -5
What about the anti-smarks? You know, the ones who think they're being rebelious because they have a different opinon than those Devil-Worshipping, Workrate Obsessed, Fourth Reich smarks?
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Post by DSR on Nov 10, 2009 23:04:54 GMT -5
International Wrestling Cartel It's that promotion Carlos Colon runs in Puerto Rico Carlos Colon runs the WWC (World Wrestling Council). Norm Connors runs IWC (at least for one more month) So...I haven't followed the International Wrestling Cartel in a few years. What's going on with Norm and the promotion? What happens in a month?
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Post by Black Swagger on Nov 11, 2009 18:47:22 GMT -5
Carlos Colon runs the WWC (World Wrestling Council). Norm Connors runs IWC (at least for one more month) So...I haven't followed the International Wrestling Cartel in a few years. What's going on with Norm and the promotion? What happens in a month? Norm is no longer gonna be promoter of IWC after the December shows. He is retiring from promoting wrestling shows but IWC will live on. Here's a plug:This Saturday (November 14th, my 27th Birthday), IWC will be having their November Pain show at the Courttime out in Elizabeth, PA @ 7:30. Here's the card rundown TNA's Hernandez vs Ray Rowe IWC Champ Shiima Xion (he's awesome) vs Denny Gregory Justin Idol vs Super Indy Champion Super Hentai Kato vs Eric Xstacy (I hear this may change) Jason Gory vs Bomber Facade Irish Airborne/Vicki Gambino vs The Gambinos & mystery partner Johnny Gargano vs Jimmy Jacobs Fabulous John McChesney vs Shane Taylor The December shows will be it for Norm taking place on December 11th & December 12th. both at the Court Time in Elizabeth, PA Those shows will have appearance by the Sandman, Shane Douglas and the Blue World Order !!!!!!! Wow, this is what we get when starting a convo about IWC.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Nov 11, 2009 18:54:58 GMT -5
just a bunch of nerds online discussing wrestling and being extremely vocal on what i like and dislike
and that does include me
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Post by DSR on Nov 12, 2009 3:49:59 GMT -5
The December shows will be it for Norm taking place on December 11th & December 12th. both at the Court Time in Elizabeth, PA Those shows will have appearance by the Sandman, Shane Douglas and the Blue World Order !!!!!!! Wow, this is what we get when starting a convo about IWC. Man, I would love to be in attendance for any event involving the bWo! Unfortunately, none of my friends like wrestling, and I don't drive, so there's no way I could be there.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 12, 2009 4:12:07 GMT -5
In reality, it is nothing more than a meeting place for persons to discuss (positively, negatively, nonsensically, whatever) wrestling. While it may have trends or things that are popular within that segment, it should be noted that by no means does it guarantee the feeling is a universal absolute. Interestingly, there is, to me, a subculture within the subculture that will rail against anything seen as "popular" amongst either a majority or even a large number of persons that inhabit or frequent the space that is the IWC. To those individuals, they are seprate from, rather than a part of, the "group". This segment will rail against the entity they see as the "IWC" that is, in reality, simply another group of poeple sharing an opinion within the same "building" so to speak. What this means is, there are many "groups" within the "IWC". THere are also many individuals who are not part of any "group" and simply move about as they please. However, simply by utilizing the interwebs, as the kids say, to discuss, ponder, support, cheer, boo, or gargle about wrestling at all, a person is automatically an inhabitent oof the "building" that is the IWC. Can this be saved, or stickied somehow? Cause it really is the perfect definition, IMO.
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Nov 12, 2009 6:40:34 GMT -5
To be honest, for a long time I always thought that IWC stood for Internet Wrestle Crap.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 12, 2009 6:45:50 GMT -5
Every. Single. One. Of. Us.
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 12, 2009 7:41:14 GMT -5
Is this like a 'who's buried in Carter's tomb?' sort of question?
The IWC is us lot. Different groups, different races creeds and colours, but it's us lot.
The IWC Stereotype, that's a different thing and John Godot elaborates on that very well.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Nov 12, 2009 8:55:12 GMT -5
Angryfan and Godot's post pretty much sum up what it is, and how most people view it.
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