STMP
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Post by STMP on Nov 10, 2006 17:38:33 GMT -5
Well for a long time it was played like only Vince knew about it and Hebner heard it at a last moment, with Shawn being just as shocked as Bret was.
Later Shawn admitted knowing about it. But it was Shawn working not only Bret but everybody. And it's logical too, just look at the angry reaction a lot of wrestlers had. Mick Foley for example who seemed very serious about quitting. Now imagine if everyone backstage heard that Shawn was in on it too and screwed Bret along with Vince.
They couldn't touch McMahon because he signed their paychecks. But Shawn, well that is a different story.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Nov 10, 2006 17:38:57 GMT -5
Someone was telling me a popular theory about it all being a work I seriously doubt it is a work.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Nov 10, 2006 17:52:03 GMT -5
I' ve got another question about the screwjob : why the f*** does Vince McMahon always feel the need to mention it whenever WWE goes to Montréal ??
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Garee
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Post by Garee on Nov 10, 2006 21:52:13 GMT -5
Yeah it's obvious that Shawn was acting after the match so Bret wouldn't know, which is why he didn't celebrate, I remember reading or watching somewhere that as Brisco and Hunter were walking Shawn back to the locker room, Brisco said to Shawn "You're the champ raise your arms" or something to that affect, which is why Shawn celebrates at the last minute.
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Post by gabou142 on Nov 10, 2006 22:06:19 GMT -5
I think the same as everyone here, he knew Bret could kick his ass badly...I mean, in a real fight, Bret would kick Shawn's ass with no efforts, and HBK must have known this, that's why he appeared shock!
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 10, 2006 22:14:58 GMT -5
I' ve got another question about the screwjob : why the f*** does Vince McMahon always feel the need to mention it whenever WWE goes to Montréal ?? Because it draws heat. As much as I think it's overdone and retarded, the fans there still react whenever it's brought up/redone/etc
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Post by gobbedlygooker95 on Nov 10, 2006 22:15:53 GMT -5
HBK screwed Vinnie plain and simple
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Post by Slapnutz McGee on Nov 10, 2006 22:16:57 GMT -5
I wonder if when Shawn became a born-again christian, he asked god to forgive him for the screwjob? Would that even be considered a sin?
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cccp
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Post by cccp on Nov 10, 2006 22:17:49 GMT -5
Bret was leaving anyhow so they might as well cause a big scene before he left.
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Post by careless on Nov 10, 2006 22:33:30 GMT -5
I wonder if when Shawn became a born-again christian, he asked god to forgive him for the screwjob? Would that even be considered a sin? Thou shalt not steal? Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's title?
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Nov 10, 2006 23:11:07 GMT -5
Like mostly everyone else said he didn't want his ass handed to him by bret before he left the company, wouldnt look to good the next night if his face was beaten in making fun of bret on Raw. ALso if u want to see more on this rent wrestling with shadows or buy it, it was an a and e doc fromback in 98 it got alot of the footage on tape of behind the scenes. Another reason I think it was a Work
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Nov 10, 2006 23:23:35 GMT -5
Like mostly everyone else said he didn't want his ass handed to him by bret before he left the company, wouldnt look to good the next night if his face was beaten in making fun of bret on Raw. ALso if u want to see more on this rent wrestling with shadows or buy it, it was an a and e doc fromback in 98 it got alot of the footage on tape of behind the scenes. Another reason I think it was a Work Montreal was a work! Neil Armstrong filmed the moon landing at Survivor Series! The grassy knoll was put in the sharpshooter!
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AmandaJ
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Post by AmandaJ on Nov 11, 2006 12:32:55 GMT -5
I wonder if when Shawn became a born-again christian, he asked god to forgive him for the screwjob? Would that even be considered a sin? I've wondered that too, but I kinda doubt it. Simply because I've heard him say in interview before that he thought it was best for the buisness and he would do it again if he had to.
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Mark4HBK
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Post by Mark4HBK on Nov 11, 2006 17:15:54 GMT -5
Here's what HBK had to say about what happened right after the finish: ...As soon as Bret started pulling my leg, the bell rang. I let him pull my leg and did the best I could to carry through with our plans and have him start to reverse the move. I did not know Vince had called for the bell as well. I believe he came down to try and make it as clear as possible that it was his decision to do this and not mine. It was an attempt to deflect heat from me and put it on him, but I did tell Earl to ring the bell. After it rang, I acted like I was mad and didn't know what was going on. I heard Vince yell, "Give him the belt!" I rolled out of the ring and grabbed the championship belt. Jerry [Brisco] and Hunter had run down to the ring and Jerry started walking me back to the curtain. Hunter was right behind. The crowd was in a complete uproar. Then, right before I ducked behind the curtain, I raised the belt high up in the air as a heel would do to incite the crowd. Part of me was thinking, "Just get out of there!" My business side thought, "Something is going on here, but I've got to act like whatever happened was supposed to happen." -- From "Heartbreak & Triumph", p.276
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 11, 2006 17:20:41 GMT -5
Here's what HBK had to say about what happened right after the finish: ...As soon as Bret started pulling my leg, the bell rang. I let him pull my leg and did the best I could to carry through with our plans and have him start to reverse the move. " -- From "Heartbreak & Triumph", p.276
He pulled his leg out from under his...leg.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Nov 11, 2006 17:23:55 GMT -5
Another reason I think it was a Work Montreal was a work! Neil Armstrong filmed the moon landing at Survivor Series! The grassy knoll was put in the sharpshooter! DX painted their logo on the Twin Towers and destroyed them.
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Post by cccp on Nov 11, 2006 18:58:01 GMT -5
Bret needs to cheer up, he could have been the WWE champion again but he chose to instead become a genie.
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Post by Ozman on Nov 11, 2006 19:08:01 GMT -5
Montreal was a work! Neil Armstrong filmed the moon landing at Survivor Series! The grassy knoll was put in the sharpshooter! DX painted their logo on the Twin Towers and destroyed them. And Jim Ross parked a Ryder truck full of barbecue sauce in front of the Oklahoma City Federal Building.
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Post by K7 - WC's Crowd Extra on Nov 11, 2006 19:09:13 GMT -5
If everyone knew Michaels was in on it, Bret, Davey Boy, LOD, Vader would've all beaten the living crap out of him.
You know he always says he did it for the company, but he'd never do it to Hunter. Ever.
Edit: From reading this extract from LOD's shoot interview, it's a good thing, for Shawn's sake that he kept his trap shut. Hawk really hated this guy.
Hawk's comments "If anyone ever had Vince wrapped right around his finger, it's Shawn. Not one guy has had Vince wrapped around his finger like Shawn has, not Austin, not Terry (Hogan), not anyone. I dunno what the deal is between Shawn and Vince, why this is, but it's sick. Shawn got away with more crap than anyone I've ever seen. When he got in the fight with Bret, which if no one had broken it up Bret would've killed the guy. But when he got in this fight, Shawn was yelling over at me, (gives this with a kind of girlie accent) Hawk help, Hawk help. I was just stunned, it was kind of, you know, I don't break fights up, I don't want anyone to break mine up either. After 17 years Bret worked his ass off, and didn't take time off for phoney *beep* like Shawn, for Vince to go with Shawn like that, says something to me as a heterosexual man. I'm not gonna say Shawn and Vince are gay or anything, but I will say I've heard stories. What Shawn and Vince did to Bret, was one of the worst things that happened in our business, especially in terms of trust. In this business, it's all trust. 17 years, all that time with Vince, just wrong. There were quite a few of us ready to take Shawn down afterwords, which is why he kept saying he wasn't involved. He knew that Davey was ready to kill him as it was. Which is why the happiest days of the Road Warriors' career, and Joe will agree with this, are without Vince McMahon."
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Post by cccp on Nov 11, 2006 19:11:09 GMT -5
Bret Hart actually owns the WWE and everything is a work.
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