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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Feb 28, 2010 1:19:30 GMT -5
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AFN: Judge Shred
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Feb 28, 2010 1:49:09 GMT -5
Destructoid seems to have their own little world where they like giving reviews contrary to most every one else. Some are fun, many are lame as all get out. Luckily I don't go to that site for the reviews.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Feb 28, 2010 1:57:37 GMT -5
Destructoid seems to have their own little world where they like giving reviews contrary to most every one else. Some are fun, many are lame as all get out. Luckily I don't go to that site for the reviews. I usually trust them since their tastes seems to be similar to mine. I also like the fact that their reviewers actually have an opinion of their own instead of some mindless entity's opinion. |
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Feb 28, 2010 2:39:52 GMT -5
Destructoid seems to have their own little world where they like giving reviews contrary to most every one else. Some are fun, many are lame as all get out. Luckily I don't go to that site for the reviews. I usually trust them since their tastes seems to be similar to mine. I also like the fact that their reviewers actually have an opinion of their own instead of some mindless entity's opinion. I tend not to like most reviewers, Giantbomb's are the closest to agreeable I find. Destgructoid does have their opinions, but they seem to try and be extreme for the sake of it. |
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Feb 28, 2010 2:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Feb 28, 2010 20:54:36 GMT -5
I like how people are ticked at jim sterling now because he gave this game a 10 and gave heavy rain a 7, which prompted one of his satirical found here: ( WARNING: SLIGHT HEAVY RAIN SPOILERS) www.destructoid.com/deadly-premonition-is-blatantly-better-than-heavy-rain-165288.phtml#extThe funny thing is, while it was meant to be satirical he actually made a very damning point in favor of deadly premonition. This point also kind of spoils heavy rain (it doesn't reveal who the killer is, don't worry) so I'll quote it with the spoiler tag {Spoiler}Sure, Deadly Premonition is one of the weirdest, most f***ed up games ever made, but at least it makes sense in its own twisted world. Unlike Heavy Rain, Deadly Premonition is not full of deus ex machina and red herrings thrown in just to sidetrack the player and build up to a shocking reveal that outright contradicts everything that the story had previously established.
Things happen in Heavy Rain that are never explained. They're just thrown in there to try and confound players and stop them predicting who the Origami Killer might be. When Deadly Premonition reveals the identity of the Raincoat Killer, it didn't contradict the rest of the story, or ignore plot strands. It sure as f*** didn't completely go against everything we'd been led to believe about the character's thoughts and actions. It was f***ed up, ludicrous, and very silly, but yet it still made more logical sense than Heavy Rain did.
Most of all, Deadly Premonition makes more sense because it is in a world that is not supposed to make much sense. When something weird happens in Ignition's game, that's fine, because the game is not grounded in reality. Heavy Rain tries to be realistic, and yet is crammed full of unbelievable situations, ridiculous characters, and relationships that make absolutely no sense. Just take the sex scene between Ethan and Madison. It had no build. It followed some pretty horrific situations which would not put anybody in the mood for shagging. It was simply sex for sex's sake, in a frankly pathetic attempt to look mature and grown up. However, because it was so badly written, the context was completely f***ed up and the game simply looked stupid.
When you can't make more sense than a game in which a man talks to his coffee, a great job was not done. Again his opinion. To be fair a bunch of other people have had the same issue with heavy rain too. |
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Feb 28, 2010 22:10:02 GMT -5
I hate that people not understand, or not figure something out makes it a plot-hole. Most of the main issues with Heavy Rain is that things aren't explained, which isn't a plot-hole.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Feb 28, 2010 22:28:43 GMT -5
{Spoiler}The sex scene made perfect sense, Ethan is weak and vulnerable, and Madison was all up in Florence Nightingale syndrome I hate that people not understand, or not figure something out makes it a plot-hole. Most of the main issues with Heavy Rain is that things aren't explained, which isn't a plot-hole. But in the context of the game it doesn't make sense. Anthony Burch broke it down: {Spoiler}Take the "romance" scene between Ethan and Madison later in the game. Madison wants to have sex with Ethan, but Ethan -- possibly having just cut off his pinky finger, run through power lines, crawled over broken glass, and earned a concussion from a car crash -- says that "saving Shaun is the only thing that matters." Madison goes in for the kiss. The player has a choice to make: do you let Madison kiss Ethan, or do you make Ethan refuse?
Even ignoring the fact that Ethan specifically tells Madison nothing matters apart from saving Shaun -- he doesn't say "nothing, apart from me getting my freak on" -- this is a guy who has gone through immeasurable mental and physical trauma to save his son (unless you made Ethan refuse to complete any of the trials, in which case I'd have to ask why you're even playing the game). This is a guy who knows that every wasted second brings his son closer and closer to death. Under no circumstances would it make any sense for this guy to have sex with Madison. |
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