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Post by Jason on Feb 24, 2010 19:56:41 GMT -5
"You should watch his work" "He can work" "He worked him"
I just can't stand it. What is WORK and how do you WORK somebody? Like seriously. Isn't everybody employed talented in atleast SOME aspect? Who are we to decide who can "work" and who can't? We don't go around telling cashiers that they can't "work". Trust me, these people wouldn't be employed if they weren't good workers. The only difference is, some "workers" are allowed to "work" a good match.
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Post by Greer on Feb 24, 2010 20:03:36 GMT -5
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Feb 24, 2010 20:10:42 GMT -5
Honestly I think it's a combination of misuse of the term and having 2 VERY different meanings that are use without context to define a situation.
Work(noun)- is a holdover from the Carnival days. Basically work in this context means anything that was faked, and to "work someone" is to fake something.
The second varient of Work is a shorthand term for workrate......a term that I believe has been warped by overuse. I've always taken it as the believability of a performer in a given match and overall. In short how well a person performs moves in comparison to themselves and other performers.
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Post by Jason on Feb 24, 2010 20:20:55 GMT -5
Nah, it's the second WORK that I can't stand. I don't mind the "It was a work" thing. As I get that... but workrate and working somebody just gets under my skin.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 24, 2010 20:35:35 GMT -5
Nah, it's the second WORK that I can't stand. I don't mind the "It was a work" thing. As I get that... but workrate and working somebody just gets under my skin. Tell that to all the wrestlers who use it in that context.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Feb 24, 2010 20:38:55 GMT -5
serious. Considering how workrate in real life is used in reference to how hard and how consist you work without complaint, John Cena probably has the greatest workrate in the business right now.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Feb 24, 2010 20:40:42 GMT -5
Smarks who don't like the word "Work",are the easiest to work.
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Post by Jason on Feb 24, 2010 21:06:52 GMT -5
Nah, it's the second WORK that I can't stand. I don't mind the "It was a work" thing. As I get that... but workrate and working somebody just gets under my skin. Tell that to all the wrestlers who use it in that context. That's exactly my problem. We don't know who can work, they do. They have a right to use it.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Feb 24, 2010 21:17:01 GMT -5
Are you shooting on the term "work"?
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Post by Robbymac on Feb 24, 2010 21:29:28 GMT -5
Tell that to all the wrestlers who use it in that context. That's exactly my problem. We don't know who can work, they do. They have a right to use it. Bingo
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 24, 2010 21:33:17 GMT -5
I hate all wrestling terms, pretty much. At least when non-wrestlers use them.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Feb 24, 2010 21:39:50 GMT -5
It's based on old carny language, and I think it involves what happens with a mark. Lanny Poffo did a podcast one time on the term "mark", and that people would beg for shelter or something, get it, and leave a mark on the door, and others would go there because they were a mark.
A work isn't real. A person who can work a crowd is someone who can make the people believe in what they are doing and hence, believe in them.
Professional wrestling is a work, in that it is not an actual athletic contest, but it's made out to be one. The opposite being of course, a shoot. So when people talk about a worked-shoot promo or angle, they're putting their own feelings into the context of the story (I actually really like worked shoots, because it's better to be mad at someone for a real reason, and it comes across better I feel).
So, when people talk about great workers, I think a lot of things go into it. A good worker can be someone with good wrestling ability, in that what they do is believable. So, when people talk about spot monkeys as good workers, they're not, because they don't make it look real. Hulk Hogan was a great worker, because he drew millions upon millions of dollars, based off of things that weren't really happening, but his personality and charisma made people believe, and therefore, give money away.
A work doesn't only apply to wrestling though. A lot of things in life are a work, such as psychics, magic, etc, in that they are making you believe something that isn't real. What I love about wrestling though is, you eventually get a pay off in the end, where many other things in life that are a work, you don't get a pay off at all.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Feb 24, 2010 21:40:47 GMT -5
Tell that to all the wrestlers who use it in that context. That's exactly my problem. We don't know who can work, they do. They have a right to use it. People have a right to use whatever word they like. Even if they don't necessarily know what they are talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2010 21:44:07 GMT -5
I've often heard good wrestlers called "good hands", like they were ranchers or other workers, from wrestlers that worked during the territory days. So that might have something to do with it.
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Post by Jason on Feb 24, 2010 21:48:28 GMT -5
That's exactly my problem. We don't know who can work, they do. They have a right to use it. People have a right to use whatever word they like. Even if they necessarily know what they are talking about. But 99% of the time, they don't. All we see is characters who have their movesets limited. The ones that don't, like Jericho and Danielson can "work" according to the internet. The ones that do, like say... Kane, who can probably deliver dropkicks and spinning wheel kicks, can't. We're basing who can "work" and who can't, on what we see on television. It just grinds my gears. When we actually WORK with somebody, then we decide who can work and who can't. Flashy movesets and submission holds doesn't mean that you can work, it just means that you're allowed to do those moves because nobody on the roster is doing them. I'm sure Mark Henry can do a Tombstone, but he can't because The Undertaker is doing it.
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Post by Parrish on Feb 24, 2010 22:01:20 GMT -5
I wish i didn't have to "work"
then i could sleep all day
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 25, 2010 4:16:25 GMT -5
Meh, I don't mind it. It's a way of saying 'I think this guy's good/sucks'. It's always opinion, sometimes a lot of people share the opinion, sometimes a minority do. Things like Mark Henry, in the past, he's injured quite a few opponents, so on that basis you could say he can't 'work' or because he has a slow, plodding style.
Also, not everyone is hired for their competance, Zeus was an actor given a main event push, originally the Tough Enough graduates came on withing weeks/months when even the guys in FCW generaly have a couple of years training under their belt before getting to the main roster.
How about the Divas? Fitness models thrown in at the deep end, leading to cases like Candice.Ashley who were constantly hurt because they didn't know what they were doing.
Plus it means different things to different people. Some people say Bryan Danielson is the best worker in the world because of his matches, other people include other aspects and acknowlede that guys like Cena and Hogan are great workers because they're great at working the crowd so to speak.
It's a nebulous term defining an opinion, that's all.
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Post by machomuta on Feb 25, 2010 4:24:18 GMT -5
How about the Divas? Fitness models thrown in at the deep end, leading to cases like Candice.Ashley who were constantly hurt because they didn't know what they were doing. Candice was not constantly hurt. She was only hurt once. She knew what she was doing.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 25, 2010 6:21:11 GMT -5
Ok, a bit of an exageration, though I seem to remember her being hurt once, then being a bit more fragile after that. Don't get me wrong she was actually trying to improve, and did, a LOT.
Ok, how about Torrie Wilson? Barely had any ring time over her tenures in WCW and WWE and retired with a back injury? That a better one?
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Post by machomuta on Feb 25, 2010 6:34:28 GMT -5
Ok, how about Torrie Wilson? Barely had any ring time over her tenures in WCW and WWE and retired with a back injury? That a better one? Alot better. Torrie didnt try to improve like Candice.
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