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Post by spagett on Feb 22, 2010 9:50:05 GMT -5
Orton was only getting face pops against Sheamus due to the fact that the fans don't actually care about Sheamus as champion in the slightest. ...if the fans are cheering for his opponent to beat him, then the heel is doing something right. I realize this is extremely difficult for many fans who started watching during the Attitude Era to accept, but the top heels in pro wrestling weren't always supposed to be badass antiheroes who'd get cheered by a not insignificant portion of the audience and get put on t-shirts. The fans were *supposed* to dislike them, view them as largely undeserving of whatever accolades they manage to achieve, and want to see them defeated. I've tried to avoid saying this directly in the many, many, many Sheamus hate threads over the last few months, since I know a lot of people take offense at the implication of being a mark, but I do think a great deal of the outrage over Sheamus' reign, the insistence that he didn't deserve this spot, and now the subsequent joy at seeing him dethroned and potentially banished from the main event scene, is exactly the reaction WWE wanted him to get from their fanbase. I think that is fair enough but it also fair enough to say that a lot of people didn't like Sheamus because he was getting very underwhelming heat and came out of nowhere having done absolutely nothing of any note and won the title on a fluke. Then he proceeded to be ignored for the next two months on Raw just about managing to scrape by winning by DQ's. I don't like Sheamus nor do I strongly dislike him. I would have loved for him to be booked really strong and for the fans to really hate him as it would have created a monster heel something the WWE has lacked for years and years. I don't think it is too much to ask for a dominant heel champ seeing as though we havent had one since Brock in about 2004. 6 years is a long time of cowardly heels. The fact is through a mixture of bad booking and apathy Sheamus' first title reign was not a success in my opinion.
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Post by angryfan on Feb 22, 2010 9:58:02 GMT -5
I remember saying when Sheamus got the belt, if they just make him seem important it will work. The only thing that could kill him is being given the Jericho treatment, and he got that and the Rey Mysterio title run all wrapped up in a nice little package. Problem is, it's self-defeating. Take him seriously if you're going to put the belt on him, tell the kids in the Cena shirts how important he is since he beat Cena, and then show it by having him utterly destroy people. If you have him win it, then focus on everyone but him, then there's really no chance for him to make you money.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Feb 22, 2010 10:10:46 GMT -5
I think they just wanted a paler version of Kane, a guy who can be put into a World Title match when everyone else is injured and it won't look odd.
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Post by Thrillho on Feb 22, 2010 10:24:57 GMT -5
...IDEA! Tomorrow, on RAW: Batista vs. Cena vs. Sheamus, triple threat for WWE title, after both ex-champs try to get their rematches. Batista and Cena are out after hitting their finishers on each other, Sheamus pins one of them to regain the title. Cena/Batista feud trucks along as scheduled, Big Red gets to be HHH's opponent in the token Triple H Wrestlemania World Title Match. As much as I like that idea, I don't think the title needs to be hot potato'd any more. But Batista has a tradition to keep. He wins the title once a year, and every reign is shorter than the last. Of course, in order to follow through with this, he's going to have to lose the belt before Raw goes on air tonight. And more importantly. Teehee, I said follow through.
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Post by Robbymac on Feb 22, 2010 11:26:31 GMT -5
Cena/Batista had to win.
A title match will always close Wrestlemania, and they didn't have enough faith in Jericho/Edge to close the show. Sheamus vs. Anyone could not and should not have main evented.
Asking even Jericho and Edge to go out there last after a Cena/Batista match AND Taker/HBK II, AND potentially a Bret/Vince showdown of some kind would be sending them out there to die. No matter how much we think they could carry the show.
So while Cena/Batista doesn't really need the belt...Wrestlemania needs them to have it.
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Post by Vanilla Gorilla on Feb 22, 2010 11:44:42 GMT -5
Well said, Robbymac.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Feb 22, 2010 13:40:15 GMT -5
I've been laughing my ass of for 14 minutes now over the melodrama contained within the first page of this thread. It'll be okay, man. Seriously. Sheamus will be around for a long time and will win again. Personally, I'd like him to develop his character a bit more before headlining ANY ppv, especially Wrestlemania. Just so that he can actually be easier for the crowd to get behind. Buck up. Big Red's gonna be around for a long time, yet.
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Post by ookkie on Feb 22, 2010 18:35:58 GMT -5
While I agree that the outcome of the match was a bit of a head-scratcher - Cena vs. Batista is big enough that it doesn't need a title involved at Mania, whereas a HHH vs. Sheamus does - I don't think any wrestling scenario really needs to have the term 'raped' applied to it. The word is a term with very overwhelmingly negative connotations and should really not be bandied about so carelessly.
Food for thought.
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