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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Feb 20, 2010 13:33:12 GMT -5
This is the best base for a feud WWE has set for about a year, and Bryan hasn't even done anything yet.
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Post by Psychoblue on Feb 20, 2010 13:36:43 GMT -5
Being that WWE is the biggest and most successful wrestling company on the planet, I think one of their hottest stars at the moment would know what it takes to be a successful one. Even though everything was pretty much given to him, what's the hardest he's worked to get into the business? Tough Enough 3? lmao! Danielson has been working and perfecting his style for over 10 years now. Getting humiliated week in and week out by the WWE locker room for the first few months of his career, for one. People wanted him to quit, and he just used that as fuel to strive.
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Post by Hurbster on Feb 20, 2010 13:39:32 GMT -5
This is blatantly a work, and a very well set-up one at that. Should be fun to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2010 13:39:39 GMT -5
you know i always love this argument to demean people like Danielson "oh sure hes critically acclaimed in front of one audience but that doesn't matter because he's not as popular as guys in wwe and doesn't know to draw the money like (wrestlers X) does"... well you know Dancing with the stars makes more money and gets better ratings then Lost so does that make it a better show? or hey maybe McDonalds execs should show up at all the local bar and grills and tell the cooks how to make a better burger?... because well McDonalds is the biggest burger company in the world, they draw the most money to the biggest audience... they HAVE to know how to cook the best burger and all the people who say that (Restaurant X) has the best burger is just an idiot and doesn't understand the business... because well they aren't in the burger business so they should just keep their mouths shut. The argument is a bit flawed, though, for a few reasons. The main thing people bring up is that it's a different environment, not a better one. It's more like saying that there's a big difference in the kind of work that goes into stocking shelves at a Wal-Mart is a lot greater than the work of stocking the shelves at your uncle's rundown old gas station. Of course, those are easy jobs, though, and your coworkers can catch you when you fall in the Wal-Mart example. To give it a more proper-leveled comparison, let's work with the NFL and the NCAA. There are plenty of people who prefer the gameplay and rules of the NCAA, and find their work more quality. However, due partially to those different rules and the different type of competition, as well as the fact that the NFL is the biggest fish in the sea, just because someone is their team MVP in the NCAA doesn't mean that they'll immediately be the same for the first team they're on in the NFL. As a sidenote on the Dancing With the Stars thing - while I don't exactly care for it either, I would probably argue that it's better than Lost.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 20, 2010 13:42:26 GMT -5
It's all part of the show, I'd wager. In every one of Miz's appearances I've seen, he's always in character. I don't see how I should think this is any different.
That said, Miz knows how to work a mic, knows how to make the otherwise lethargic WWE crowds care about him, and knows how to work the camera. Danielson is talented, but there is also a large production aspect that is different enough from the independent circuit that even the most talented performers still have a learning curve.
But I still think it's for show, I think it's there to set up an angle for the future.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Feb 20, 2010 14:09:55 GMT -5
If we were in the middle of the Monday Night Wars right now, Daniel Bryans would be on RAW or Smackdown, instead of NXT.
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Post by Cretinous Humanoid on Feb 20, 2010 14:14:09 GMT -5
For those that are saying the Miz can't offer anything to Danielson, I'll just say this. A couple of days ago I couldn't have cared less about Danielson, now because of the Miz I am interested. The only question is can Danielson keep me interested.
Someone could be the best wrester in the world and I would probably never notice if that guy couldn't get me to care enough ahead of time so I actually watch his match. This is why I beleive charisma and mic work are more important than in ring work.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 20, 2010 14:50:23 GMT -5
Its no wonder I dont bother watching WWE anymore, when this is the mentality they have. "Sure, he may be really good at executing wrestling moves inside a wrestling ring, but does that make him a good wrestler?" So... They should have done WWE Champion Lance Storm? Or forget Austin and Jericho, have him and Dean Malenko fight to unify the WWF and WCW titles? Wrestling ability is not everything, and the indies are not the same as the WWE. On the Dean Malenko thing, if you read Jericho's book you'll see that Malenko is bizarrely one of the more funny and charismatic personalities in wrestling, he just always played the Iceman. Anyway, this definitely seems like an angle and its certainly interesting. If its not an angle it'll still generate interest in both men, if it is an angle it suggests WWE have plans for Danielson so either way its all good.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Feb 20, 2010 17:09:24 GMT -5
If we were in the middle of the Monday Night Wars right now, Daniel Bryans would be on RAW or Smackdown, instead of NXT. Even in the smarkiest world, Bryan doesn't equal ratings
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 20, 2010 17:11:25 GMT -5
If we were in the middle of the Monday Night Wars right now, Daniel Bryans would be on RAW or Smackdown, instead of NXT. Because they didn't have an NXT in the attitude era? And really, in the attitude era, everyone who they could was on Raw or Smackdown, from the likes of the Mean Street Posse to Zack Gowen. If you had name recognition from WCW (or ECW to a lesser extent), you could go in to a program with mid and uppercarders like Jericho did. Otherwise, you went in feuding with 2 Cool about who the better dancers were or getting destroyed by whatever monster they decided you should be destroyed by.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Feb 20, 2010 17:11:58 GMT -5
If we were in the middle of the Monday Night Wars right now, Daniel Bryans would be on RAW or Smackdown, instead of NXT. Even in the smarkiest world, Bryan doesn't equal ratings Bingo. while the IWC Creams their jeans to this guy, the casual fans have no clue, nor give a shit about him.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Feb 20, 2010 17:37:34 GMT -5
This is blatantly a work, and a very well set-up one at that. Should be fun to watch. Agreed. People aren't seriously going to be upset everytime someone (a HEEL no less) says something bad about Bryan? Godforbid what the reaction is going to be like on here when he loses a match to Jennifer Hudson's husband. At the risk of pointing out the obvious - the mentors are a plot device to help the new guys get over. The Miz isn't really going to be teaching Bryan anything, that's not his job. They've done great setting up the fued. The show hasn't even started yet and they've already proved why it was a stroke of genius pairing him with The Miz. Already, people who looked at the NXT roster and saw a bunch of generic guys care more about Bryan than they do about the other guys.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 20, 2010 17:52:32 GMT -5
Even in the smarkiest world, Bryan doesn't equal ratings Bingo. while the IWC Creams their jeans to this guy, the casual fans have no clue, nor give a s*** about him. I don't really understand the argument here and how it's supposed to reflect poorly on Danielson. He hasn't even debuted. How would the casual fans care about a guy they haven't even seen yet?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 20, 2010 17:53:36 GMT -5
This is blatantly a work, and a very well set-up one at that. Should be fun to watch. Agreed. People aren't seriously going to be upset everytime someone (a HEEL no less) says something bad about Bryan? Godforbid what the reaction is going to be like on here when he loses a match to Jennifer Hudson's husband. At the risk of pointing out the obvious - the mentors are a plot device to help the new guys get over. The Miz isn't really going to be teaching Bryan anything, that's not his job. They've done great setting up the fued. The show hasn't even started yet and they've already proved why it was a stroke of genius pairing him with The Miz. Already, people who looked at the NXT roster and saw a bunch of generic guys care more about Bryan than they do about the other guys. That too. There might as well be a neon sign saying KAYFABE above his statements; and it seems like it'll be an interesting lil storyline for NXT. Looks to be pretty entertaining.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Feb 20, 2010 17:57:54 GMT -5
Bingo. while the IWC Creams their jeans to this guy, the casual fans have no clue, nor give a s*** about him. I don't really understand the argument here and how it's supposed to reflect poorly on Danielson. He hasn't even debuted. How would the casual fans care about a guy they haven't even seen yet? Which is why he should be on NXT for people to get to know him better than being thrown on Raw, and treated like he should actually matter. Yeah, he's a great worker, but he does not deserve royal treatment in his WWE debut.
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Post by Sero on Feb 20, 2010 17:59:08 GMT -5
Being that WWE is the biggest and most successful wrestling company on the planet, I think one of their hottest stars at the moment would know what it takes to be a successful one. Even though everything was pretty much given to him, what's the hardest he's worked to get into the business? Tough Enough 3? lmao! Danielson has been working and perfecting his style for over 10 years now. Getting raped by jbl in the shower.[citation needed]
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Post by skiller on Feb 20, 2010 18:44:54 GMT -5
Someone want to break it to him?
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Post by American Dragon on Feb 20, 2010 18:57:16 GMT -5
Someone want to break it to him? I guess he missed the fact that WWE has been begging Danielson to sign for about two or three years now.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Feb 20, 2010 19:01:56 GMT -5
If this angers people then people should be also annoyed that Jericho and Punk are heels and teaching people, I mean won't they make their respective students TOOO SRS and Straightedge!?
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Feb 20, 2010 19:03:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I'm laughing at the people who are angry at Miz's comments and take them seriously. First of all, if he bows down to Danielson's abilities, the he'd be going out of character and a humble Miz is a boring Miz. Also, it would eliminate any intrigue in watching the show because if the Miz admits that Danielson is better than him, then there is no angle...just a dumb trainer.
This is obviously gonna be an angle throughout the show, and I like that WWE didn't ignore the elephant in the room (Danielson's wrestling experience).
The way I see this going, Miz will act like he's not impressed with Danielson even if he gets whooped during training. If there's a part in the show where Vince comes up to the trainers and asks how their students are doing, Miz will have nothing but bad things to say about Danielson...just to keep him from moving up to the big leagues.
Then one day, Danielson will find out what Miz is doing, storm into Vince's office and show him a tape of him whooping Miz's ass in training. Vince will still have his doubts.
That's when Danielson will go back to the ring, pick out a rookie (probably one that's about to get cut anyway) and injure him. Then he'll yell to Vince, "give me Miz, or this happens to everyone here!"
That leads to a series of matches with Miz, which may lead to Danielson winning the U.S. Title.
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