You know what I think would help matches?

[Jason]

If they kicked out of finishing moves more often. It rarely happens, unless it's Wrestlemania. I think this plays a big factor in the match, especially when you're supposed to be putting two people over. Take last night's TNA PPV for example, Mr. Anderson kicked out of the Olympic Slam, the Dinero Express and the Dinero Experience, it took ANOTHER to finally get him and that played a big part in how both Anderson and Dinero looked good. But usually when the finishing move is hit, you don't expect them to kick out in WWE, the excitement of the match get sucked out when you see them setting up the finisher.

I prefer to be at the edge of my seat screaming "KICK OUT, KICK OUT!!!", like I was last night when Anderson took both finishers. This plays a big part in a match, like HBK vs Taker at last year's Wrestlemania, if he finished him with the first tombstone, there would be no talk. Thoughts? Should people kick out of finishing moves more or should they be just that - a finishing move?

[Sam Punk]

It should happen only occasionally. If you do it more than that it will kill off the value of the finisher. ex: the 1/4 TNA show when Angle kicked out of three Styles Clashes. Plus, by doing it so infrequently, it means more when somebody kicks out of it.

[Deleted]

If anything, I think the opposite and people should be pinned by non-finishers more often. How often do you see someone go for a pin after one of their stock moves, and how often do you see that actually work? Only examples I can think of offhand in the past few years were MVP pinning Chavo with the Ballin' Elbow and Matt Hardy pinning Miz with the Side Effect.

[Clash, Never a Meter Maid]

Personally, I'd rather see that mostly on PPVs. I got a little burned out on seeing maybe three or four Rock Bottoms needed for Rock to put away a main eventer, and it seemed like it hurt the move's canon impact.

When someone gets hit with an Attitude Adjustment or a Pedigree, it ought to mean something if Cena or HHH aren't wrestling a "monster" character. Mark Henry or Khali could afford to be able to take a couple of main event finishers (or at least moreso than they're booked to).

If it takes a million finishers to put away mid-sized guys like Punk, Jericho or Miz, then that wrestler needs to get a new match-ender, because what they're using sucks.

[JoDaNa1281]

Feb 15, 2010 18:11:04 GMT -5 Sam Punk said:

It should happen only occasionally. If you do it more than that it will kill off the value of the finisher. ex: the 1/4 TNA show when Angle kicked out of three Styles Clashes. Plus, by doing it so infrequently, it means more when somebody kicks out of it.

Actually, Angle only kicked out of 2 Styles Clashes, after the 3rd AJ hit the Springboard 450 & pinned him.

As for the topic at hand, I like when people kick out of other people's finishers, but if it happens too much, it can hurt that person because eventually no one will buy that as the end all anymore.

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The other bad thing is that if it regularly takes multiple finishers to win, any time it doesn't the guy that lost is going to look pretty silly.

"He lost to one pedigree? Miz kicked out of 3 of those!*"

*Would never actually happen.

[Nacho STAYS Hyped]

I was upset that Kofi never kicked out of an RKO.

[Thunderbolt]

Feb 15, 2010 18:13:20 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

If anything, I think the opposite and people should be pinned by non-finishers more often. How often do you see someone go for a pin after one of their stock moves, and how often do you see that actually work? Only examples I can think of offhand in the past few years were MVP pinning Chavo with the Ballin' Elbow and Matt Hardy pinning Miz with the Side Effect.

That's what I'd like to see as well, especially if the "secondary move" was a famous finisher in the past (like the DDT or various powerbombs). Cody Rhodes could use a second rope bulldog as a "possible finisher"(if he got to win more matches), HBK could over over a lower tier guy with his elbow drop(though it looked horrible last week), etc. The guy doesn't have to be "knocked out", just stunned for 3 seconds and do the ol' "1 second late kick-out".

[Jay Carroll]

The WWE does a pretty good job of protecting finishers and promoting the finishers of the main eventers especially as match finishing moves, which is one of the aspects of the WWE wrestling style I like. Don't get me wrong, a kickout of a finisher every now and then can build drama in a match, sell the match as meaning something more than a regular match for the participants, but "finisher whoring" (as someone succinctly put it) just for the sake of doing it rarely looks good, and degrades the value of a finisher.

If the WWE style were a tiny bit more comparable to Puro, however, it might be able to fly more, only because Puro wrestlers tend to have two finishers, their "main" finisher (which may be used 2-3 times in a particularly tough match) and their "death finisher" which is only broken out maybe once a year to put someone down when the main finisher just won't cut it.

[Nuke is Good]

Feb 15, 2010 20:19:43 GMT -5 Jay Carroll said:

The WWE does a pretty good job of protecting finishers and promoting the finishers of the main eventers especially as match finishing moves, which is one of the aspects of the WWE wrestling style I like. Don't get me wrong, a kickout of a finisher every now and then can build drama in a match, sell the match as meaning something more than a regular match for the participants, but "finisher whoring" (as someone succinctly put it) just for the sake of doing it rarely looks good, and degrades the value of a finisher.

If the WWE style were a tiny bit more comparable to Puro, however, it might be able to fly more, only because Puro wrestlers tend to have two finishers, their "main" finisher (which may be used 2-3 times in a particularly tough match) and their "death finisher" which is only broken out maybe once a year to put someone down when the main finisher just won't cut it.

Only if John Cena could pull out a burning hammer.

[H-Fist]

I don't like them to kick out of KO finishers (Pedigree, Batista Bomb, GTS, AA, Show's punch, etc.) unless it really means something. If it's a move comparable to Steamboat's crossbody, designed to get a quick win rather than a KO, then it can be kicked out of in the right situations. I'd rather see more matches without finishers and even some with limited teasing of finishers/signature move usage. There is less and less wrestling in matches and less and less b.s.-ing. Go back and watch TV/VHS matches with guys we revere like DiBiase and see how long it takes him to get in the ring, or come back in when he bails out. They weren't afraid to tell a story with pacing. It still works. They just generally have a lot of inexperienced talent trained in a WWE TV-focused era that lacks the exposure to that stuff.