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Post by Jason on Feb 16, 2010 0:44:49 GMT -5
Seriously, apologies for setting up another "Bret" thread, but I'm really questioning this now. I'm sure him and HBK settled the peace before that segment or could have done it without being on TV. He made up with Vince in 2005, to do the DVD. Now my question is this - should Bret Hart have came back?
Don't get me wrong, it's great seeing him on TV, he's one of my favourites ever, but I just don't see why he did it. Seeing him shake hands with Shawn Michaels in the middle of the ring was without a doubt, a cool moment but I think he should have left it at there. Every week, this storyline is just getting worse and worse. What with them pretending he's BFF's with Cena, to Cena being involved in his business in the first place and then proceeding to ask why oh WHY would Batista kick his ass for doing so? To Courtney Taylor backing her car into him, to stupid comments like "This is the worst night in Bret Hart's life" afterwards. Absolutely unbelievable.
I don't think Bret has gained much out of this, it has been 12 years since the Montreal screwjob and if you haven't been up to speed in his interviews, you'd swear that he was still not over it. Making him look like the bad guy in some people's eyes. Personally, Bret Hart didn't need to do any of this. I think he and this storyline in particular is being treated extremely badly.
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Post by Celgress on Feb 16, 2010 0:45:42 GMT -5
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Post by Throwback on Feb 16, 2010 0:49:08 GMT -5
I'm 1,000,000% this will all end with Vince in the sharpshooter. Then I'll be happy.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Feb 16, 2010 0:49:17 GMT -5
You forgot to mention that he's as slow as a snail, can't take any bumps, forgot how to throw a punch, and has no timing whatsoever on the mic.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Feb 16, 2010 0:50:10 GMT -5
bret is on my tv each week again as a face so yeah times a zillion
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 16, 2010 0:50:49 GMT -5
After tonight, no. I didn't watch wrestling from about 1998-2009. When I read that Bret was signed, back in December, I decided that I, being a massive Bret mark, absolutely needed to see it. It started off OK, and kept getting worse. After tonight, I think that it was a very questionable decision to come back on his part. This, ridiculous fake car wreck angle, is really not how Bret Hart's career should end. Montreal was a better and more dignified note. Horrible hardcore match with Terry Funk at 50% cognitive functioning was a better and more dignified note.
This is just, dumb. And I have decided that I have no reason to watch anymore. Sheamus is cool, but that's really not enough for me to care and I have a lot more constructive things to do with my time, as I had been before I got back into this.
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Post by marvelocity on Feb 16, 2010 1:04:12 GMT -5
I'm still giving it time. What's been put out so far is intriguing. Tonight's turn reminded me of Shawn Michaels' comeback in 2002, when he was attacked in the parking lot, and he figured out it was Triple H who did it. I'm sure we'll find out that the woman was paid off by Vince, leading to their eventual WrestleMania match. Vince will be a mega heel when the reveal happens. And as far as the Hart/Cena combo, I've heard that Bret is really high on John Cena, so he may have hand picked him to be a part of their storyline, plus if it is going to be a tag match at WM, Cena and Batista can do the majority of the ring work, leading to Bret getting his hands on Vince to end the match. As long as it ends with Vince tapping to the Sharpshooter at WrestleMania (Bret's ultimate revenge), the fans will be happy with this comeback, as will I.
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Post by valiens on Feb 16, 2010 1:08:15 GMT -5
It is a slow build to... something. After the something, we'll discuss it. They're clearly trying to play him as the sympathetic character we've always thought he was in real life. But it's starting to make him look like a sad sack. They are teetering but they can still pull it off.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Feb 16, 2010 1:12:04 GMT -5
You forgot to mention that he's as slow as a snail, can't take any bumps, forgot how to throw a punch, and has no timing whatsoever on the mic. The man had a stroke and concussion. Unless you're being sarcastic, I'm getting annoyed by comments like this. |
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Post by Jason on Feb 16, 2010 1:15:42 GMT -5
I'm still giving it time. What's been put out so far is intriguing. Tonight's turn reminded me of Shawn Michaels' comeback in 2002, when he was attacked in the parking lot, and he figured out it was Triple H who did it. I'm sure we'll find out that the woman was paid off by Vince, leading to their eventual WrestleMania match. Vince will be a mega heel when the reveal happens. And as far as the Hart/Cena combo, I've heard that Bret is really high on John Cena, so he may have hand picked him to be a part of their storyline, plus if it is going to be a tag match at WM, Cena and Batista can do the majority of the ring work, leading to Bret getting his hands on Vince to end the match. As long as it ends with Vince tapping to the Sharpshooter at WrestleMania (Bret's ultimate revenge), the fans will be happy with this comeback, as will I. I'm sure he didn't handpick him. I don't know this for a fact but he just seems like WWE's boy. Everybody outside the WWE doesn't seem to have a huge boner for him like they do. They keep stretching his greatness and everything. I'm not saying it's a fact, he might have picked him but I don't think that's very likely. Knowing WWE's booking, they probably thought "Oh yeah, great idea!, and I've got one better, how about we throw Cena in here, just so the kiddies warm up to Bret more? You know... since Cena is cool, and we want the kids to know that Bret is too!". You know them... |
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Post by El Dandy on Feb 16, 2010 1:16:04 GMT -5
I believe the intent of his delivery on the mic tonight was to be somber. I'm happy to see Bret back on TV, I'm sure Bret is happy to be back and I'm looking forward to see how much he can get involved physically. He still seems to sell well and can let the fists fly. Naturally, he's not physically fit and as strong as he was in the past, but considering what he's been through, I think he's doing just fine. Who are you to doubt Bret Hart? |
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Feb 16, 2010 1:22:22 GMT -5
I'm still giving it time. What's been put out so far is intriguing. Tonight's turn reminded me of Shawn Michaels' comeback in 2002, when he was attacked in the parking lot, and he figured out it was Triple H who did it. I'm sure we'll find out that the woman was paid off by Vince, leading to their eventual WrestleMania match. Vince will be a mega heel when the reveal happens. And as far as the Hart/Cena combo, I've heard that Bret is really high on John Cena, so he may have hand picked him to be a part of their storyline, plus if it is going to be a tag match at WM, Cena and Batista can do the majority of the ring work, leading to Bret getting his hands on Vince to end the match. As long as it ends with Vince tapping to the Sharpshooter at WrestleMania (Bret's ultimate revenge), the fans will be happy with this comeback, as will I. I'm sure he didn't handpick him. I don't know this for a fact but he just seems like WWE's boy. Everybody outside the WWE doesn't seem to have a huge boner for him like they do. They keep stretching his greatness and everything. I'm not saying it's a fact, he might have picked him but I don't think that's very likely. Knowing WWE's booking, they probably thought "Oh yeah, great idea!, and I've got one better, how about we throw Cena in here, just so the kiddies warm up to Bret more? You know... since Cena is cool, and we want the kids to know that Bret is too!". You know them... I'm fine with Cena being involved in this. I like his promos as of late and I keep hoping he'll turn tweener. That's the way to be. |
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Post by Stu on Feb 16, 2010 1:25:23 GMT -5
Should Bret have COME back?
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Feb 16, 2010 1:25:50 GMT -5
You forgot to mention that he's as slow as a snail, can't take any bumps, forgot how to throw a punch, and has no timing whatsoever on the mic. The man had a stroke and concussion. Unless you're being sarcastic, I'm getting annoyed by comments like this. I'm not the one who booked a stroke victim in a major angle. If he's so bad from it that he can't perform...then he shouldn't have bothered agreeing to do this in the first place. |
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Post by BxB on Feb 16, 2010 1:34:30 GMT -5
Well, sorry to hear that he a 50 year old with multiple strokes isn't meeting some of your high standards for but for some of us life long fans it's been a treat to watch him back on our television sets again. I don't think he needed to be in a match at WM, with his health issues but if he wants to go for it, then more power to him.
I'm fine with Cena being involved too. When Batista and Vince held Bret down, there was a loud Cena chant, something I hadn't seen in a while. It goes to show you that the angle got the crowd behind him, and that means only good things for the company. Bret will get his upcommance and it helps the product.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Feb 16, 2010 1:46:09 GMT -5
The man had a stroke and concussion. Unless you're being sarcastic, I'm getting annoyed by comments like this. I'm not the one who booked a stroke victim in a major angle. If he's so bad from it that he can't perform...then he shouldn't have bothered agreeing to do this in the first place. Typical of the IWC. No patience and they hate everything. THE MAN HAD A STROKE! And if he didn't want to be there, he wouldn't be there! Where was Bret from 1997 to 2005 and 2005 to 2009? Hint: He certainly wasn't anywhere near the WWE! If Bret wants to do this, then let him do it. There are still fans that support him, fans that never forgot about him. Let this angle play out, climax and WM and Bret can walk away knowing that he got his revenge, if it plays out that way. |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Feb 16, 2010 1:49:05 GMT -5
While this angle certainly looks like it's going south in a hurry, I'm still happy to see Bret back for one last purely kayfabe storyline.
He seems like he's having fun, at least, and I'd rather see his career wrap up like this than with his rather ambivalent Hall of Fame appearance.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Feb 16, 2010 1:49:09 GMT -5
I'm not the one who booked a stroke victim in a major angle. If he's so bad from it that he can't perform...then he shouldn't have bothered agreeing to do this in the first place. Typical of the IWC. No patience and they hate everything. THE MAN HAD A STROKE! And if he didn't want to be there, he wouldn't be there! Where was Bret from 1997 to 2005 and 2005 to 2009? Hint: He certainly wasn't anywhere near the WWE! If Bret wants to do this, then let him do it. There are still fans that support him, fans that never forgot about him. Let this angle play out, climax and WM and Bret can walk away knowing that he got his revenge, if it plays out that way. Thanks for lumping me into some made up "IWC" (Which, arent you a part of since you're online talking about wrestling?) just because my opinion is that the guy should have done himself and everyone else who doesnt care about him or a 12 year old, tired event and stayed away for good. I wouldn't want to see Jericho come back after a stroke and stumble around and nearly kill himself with some pyro boxes just for some kind of pleasure in seeing him again. |
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Feb 16, 2010 1:59:44 GMT -5
No one forced Bret to do this!
People are acting like that. The man has a right to do what he wants and if he wants to take risks, it's his body.
It's a good thing the IWC wasn't around when Flair came back from that back injury to become the dirtiest player in the game. People would probably be poo-pooing his efforts and crying on the internet like they do.
If Bret gets hurt, he only has himself to blame for agreeing to step back in a ring in his condition.
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Post by randomranter on Feb 16, 2010 2:02:02 GMT -5
For me, this car wreck segment is where the whole angle jumped the shark.
I don't think anyone (including Vince) realized just how bad Bret is, physically. I think Vince has come to the realization that Bret cannot work any type of match at all on TV, and the car wreck was a way to keep the Bret angle going but eliminate him from having to do anything else physically. Maybe Bret himself thought he could still do at least something, and the last couple of segments ended up being more than he believed he could handle.
IMO, what they should've done if they needed to remove Bret from the angle in a physical sense was to just have Vince say (in his own 'Mr. McMahon' way): "I won't accept the match at Wrestlemania because you cannot get medical clearance to compete!" It would have given Vince a ton of heat for a whole host of different reasons. Bret says "Yeah, I can't. But I've got someone who can do it for me!!" and says he's going to be in Cena's corner for the Cena/Batista match. Vince ends up being in Batista's corner.
But this whole "broken leg" thing just seems........silly, for lack of a better way of putting it. "unnecessary" is a word that also springs to mind, considering there are tons of different ways they could've kept the angle going while still removing physical contact from the equation.
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