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Post by i.Sarita.com on Feb 16, 2010 2:12:33 GMT -5
No one forced Bret to do this! People are acting like that. The man has a right to do what he wants and if he wants to take risks, it's his body. It's a good thing the IWC wasn't around when Flair came back from that back injury to become the dirtiest player in the game. People would probably be poo-pooing his efforts and crying on the internet like they do. If Bret gets hurt, he only has himself to blame for agreeing to step back in a ring in his condition. No shit he's not being forced. But they approached him to do it, and if he was at all smart he wouldn't have agreed to do anything beyond just shaking Shawn's hand and putting Vince in a Sharpshooter on that same night. Instead, he keeps going out there and making a fool of himself. And once again, I'm not some mindless internet wrestling sheep. I have my own likes and dislikes based on my own thoughts and opinions directly related to ME and nobody else. So how about you stop using that IWC crap as some kind of FACT when regarding my objections to this storyline. If you wouldn't mind.
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Post by BxB on Feb 16, 2010 2:18:30 GMT -5
No one forced Bret to do this! People are acting like that. The man has a right to do what he wants and if he wants to take risks, it's his body. It's a good thing the IWC wasn't around when Flair came back from that back injury to become the dirtiest player in the game. People would probably be poo-pooing his efforts and crying on the internet like they do. If Bret gets hurt, he only has himself to blame for agreeing to step back in a ring in his condition. No s*** he's not being forced. But they approached him to do it, and if he was at all smart he wouldn't have agreed to do anything beyond just shaking Shawn's hand and putting Vince in a Sharpshooter on that same night. Instead, he keeps going out there and making a fool of himself. And once again, I'm not some mindless internet wrestling sheep. I have my own likes and dislikes based on my own thoughts and opinions directly related to ME and nobody else. So how about you stop using that IWC crap as some kind of FACT when regarding my objections to this storyline. If you wouldn't mind. Um, who are you to say it'd been better for him to only make one single appearance? If he's having fun "making a fool out of himself" which he certainly isn't in my opinion, why should anyone hold that against him? Some of us realize what he's been through and don't expect him to be as good as a regular performer.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Feb 16, 2010 2:28:38 GMT -5
No s*** he's not being forced. But they approached him to do it, and if he was at all smart he wouldn't have agreed to do anything beyond just shaking Shawn's hand and putting Vince in a Sharpshooter on that same night. Instead, he keeps going out there and making a fool of himself. And once again, I'm not some mindless internet wrestling sheep. I have my own likes and dislikes based on my own thoughts and opinions directly related to ME and nobody else. So how about you stop using that IWC crap as some kind of FACT when regarding my objections to this storyline. If you wouldn't mind. Um, who are you to say it'd been better for him to only make one single appearance? If he's having fun "making a fool out of himself" which he certainly isn't in my opinion, why should anyone hold that against him? Some of us realize what he's been through and don't expect him to be as good as a regular performer. And some of us think he's embarrassing his Legacy by taking part in this stupid McMahon/Cena/Batista angle involving random ass additions of those two guys, and fake car crashes just to cover up the fact that he's a shell of his former self. I GET THAT HE HAD A STROKE. I realize that. But it doesn't give him a pass for sucking. And he shouldn't have bothered coming back for this. The last Bret Hart I remembered was the badass Heel leader of nWo 2000. And before that it was his awesome matches with Sting. And now I have to watch him stumble around and give horrible promos JUST because he's Bret Hart*? *And save the "Well then don't watch." remarks.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 16, 2010 2:31:16 GMT -5
Guys, cool your jets.
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Post by BxB on Feb 16, 2010 2:32:32 GMT -5
Um, who are you to say it'd been better for him to only make one single appearance? If he's having fun "making a fool out of himself" which he certainly isn't in my opinion, why should anyone hold that against him? Some of us realize what he's been through and don't expect him to be as good as a regular performer. And some of us think he's embarrassing his Legacy by taking part in this stupid McMahon/Cena/Batista angle involving random ass additions of those two guys, and fake car crashes just to cover up the fact that he's a shell of his former self. I GET THAT HE HAD A STROKE. I realize that. But it doesn't give him a pass for sucking. And he shouldn't have bothered coming back for this. The last Bret Hart I remembered was the badass Heel leader of nWo 2000. And before that it was his awesome matches with Sting. And now I have to watch him stumble around and give horrible promos JUST because he's Bret Hart*? *And save the "Well then don't watch." remarks. If you can't accept the fact that he's trying his best out of there and due to his limited condition, it's not coming out all that well. Then I really have nothing else to say.
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Post by American Dragon on Feb 16, 2010 2:33:24 GMT -5
I GET THAT HE HAD A STROKE. I realize that. But it doesn't give him a pass for sucking. What do you expect out of someone who suffered a stroke? He doesn't suck, but for what he's been through, he's doing quite well.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Feb 16, 2010 2:35:26 GMT -5
And some of us think he's embarrassing his Legacy by taking part in this stupid McMahon/Cena/Batista angle involving random ass additions of those two guys, and fake car crashes just to cover up the fact that he's a shell of his former self. I GET THAT HE HAD A STROKE. I realize that. But it doesn't give him a pass for sucking. And he shouldn't have bothered coming back for this. The last Bret Hart I remembered was the badass Heel leader of nWo 2000. And before that it was his awesome matches with Sting. And now I have to watch him stumble around and give horrible promos JUST because he's Bret Hart*? *And save the "Well then don't watch." remarks. If you can't accept the fact that he's trying his best out of there and due to his limited condition, it's not coming out all that well. Then I really have nothing else to say. I can only suspend my belief so far. And so far, it's been too much to do in this whole return of Bret Hart. I understand that it's probably cool to see him on TV again for diehard fans...but much like baseball, I'd rather my heroes retire than to stick around and tarnish things just for the sake of being around. Bret has made a fool of himself in my eyes. MY eyes being the key word.
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 16, 2010 2:38:20 GMT -5
I don't see it as a failure on Bret's performance. I think what he's done so far is remarkable and I'm very proud for him to be in the shape to do what he has. I think it's inspiring to see him out there on the mic. At the same time, it's a stupid and ridiculous angle with this car wreck, that really didn't have to be. And that has killed my interest in it. Bret deserves so much better than this.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Feb 16, 2010 2:56:06 GMT -5
I'm just glad that hell froze over long enough for Bret Hart to step into a WWE ring.
That's all I have to say. He could have gray hair and be in a wheelchair and I'd still be happy.
I don't expect the 1997 Bret Hart. I just to see what he has to say and know that he's alive and well and can still get a pop if he wants.
After all of the tragedies and trauma of the past 15 years, it's nice to see that Bret is still around. I don't care if he's not his former self. It's unrealistic to expect him to be.
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Post by smokinvokoun on Feb 16, 2010 3:05:30 GMT -5
What a vicious little circle.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 16, 2010 3:41:04 GMT -5
I pretty much stopped caring a couple of weeks ago. The buildup to the inevitable sharpshooter is just taking too long, and is now taking really stupid twists.
It's nice to see him, I like him on the mic ok, and hope he sticks around as an agent or a teacher of some sort as I think he'd really excel and the next generation would only benefit from his knowledge; but I've completely lost interest in wrestler vs. evil Vince story permutation #134, even if there's some heartfelt stuff that goes along with this one. Had they not brought up Montreal consistently every few months since 1997, maybe I'd feel differently, but I don't.
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Post by Hollywoody81 on Feb 16, 2010 4:12:57 GMT -5
I agree that the storyline that he invlved in is kinda dumb,but I think (and hope) that there is more to it. I think that the car accident may be a set up of Bret and Cena to get Vince to put the match on WrestleMania back on, as Vince thinks that Bret won't be able to fight. I just have a feeling that they will be going with Bret playing some sort of mind game on Vince. If not then a lot of this is pretty bad considering the potentil that Bret Hart comming back to t.v. should show. I am just happy that Bret can come back and get some mic time, and make himself look a lot better than his Hall of Fame speech where he looked terrible.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 16, 2010 4:20:24 GMT -5
To me its not even Bret's condition which is hampering this story. Its the fact that its Bret vs. "Mr. McMahon". I want Vince in this angle, the cold, yet blunt figure from 1997 calmly explaining why he did what he had to do and that Bret Screwed Bret.
This is the one Vince feud that does not need the over the top caricature of Mr. McMahon; evil boss. The reality back story is good enough, and Bret is not the kind of larger than life figure like Austin or DX that matches up to the Mr. McMahon character anyway.
It completely stinks of the over the top stuff in the Rock/Hogan feud in 2002 where they felt the need to have the nWo hitting him in the head with a hammer and crushing his ambulance with semi, even though the prospect of Bret/Hogan was enough to sell the match.
If you do have McMahon acting over the top, build to it. Have Bret's continued appearances and demands for a match slowly bring out that character rather than starting with it. Because emotionally it feels like they little else the can do, other than straight to the finish of Vince in the Sharpshooter.
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Post by a1TheEnigma1a on Feb 16, 2010 8:47:33 GMT -5
Christ sake, give it time. Its clearly going to be a long build. Its something different on RAW and a true legend is on our screens again. Bret wants to do this, Bret has to do this for himself I think.
This place really pisses me off at the moment. Nothing can be put on any show without it being crapped over at some point.
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Feb 16, 2010 9:08:59 GMT -5
Storyline is stupid as hell. And we ALL know it's going to end with Vince in a sharpshooter. That'll be cool, but as a fan it's not really worth 4 MONTHS of build. I think both sides thought that Bret was in better physical condition than he really is. And Cena/Batista have been awkwardly thrown in IMO. They just do not mix well in the storyline at all. Especially Batista. No reason for attacking Cena is just code to me for they don't know a goddammn reason to give him. Besides the fact that he's a dick cause he's a heel.
I think my feelings are summed up best by the statement, I don't hate it, but i wouldn't order Wrestlemania if it was based around it completely.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Feb 16, 2010 10:11:32 GMT -5
Christ sake, give it time. Its clearly going to be a long build. Its something different on RAW and a true legend is on our screens again. Bret wants to do this, Bret has to do this for himself I think. This place really pisses me off at the moment. Nothing can be put on any show without it being crapped over at some point. Agreed. It's fun and the angle is easily the most entertaining fued in the WWE. Everyone seems to want unpredictable tv, and the car crash thing was exactly that. No-one knows where it's going, and it's a good change of pace from weeks of promos. Just let it play out. At the end of the day, this angle started with Bret and HBK shaking hands, and it'll end with the sharpshooter on VKM. Anything along the way (including some very good promos) will be a bonus.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Feb 16, 2010 10:54:58 GMT -5
To clear things up and settle things, yes. To get into a contrived story angle like we're viewing, no.
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Post by jobsquad on Feb 16, 2010 11:22:34 GMT -5
Yes, Bret should have come back. No, he should not be mixing it up in the ring if he is unable to do so without looking like someone that has had the physical problems that he experienced.
He should have never came back with this writing team in charge, no way. The reason everyone past the age of 8 has a problem with the WWE today is just that, they are past the age of 8. The storylines are written for kids, and dumb kids at that.
I refuse to watch WWE. I tried for the sake of Bret's comeback, but after seeing him in the ring I do not want to remember this outside of the Shawn Micheals handshake.
I think people that read my post wouldn't be shocked to read any of this, but I will give you a shocking revalation: I would rather watch ROH than WWE. That is just sad.
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Post by juniordestructo616 on Feb 16, 2010 11:30:29 GMT -5
BRET IS SLOWLY BECOMING A PARODY OF HIMSELF.
HE'S JUST DOING THIS BECAUSE IT BEATS SHOVELING THE SNOW!
HIS FATHER USED TO TORTURE HIM AND NOW VINCE IS HIS NEW DADDY!
EVEN FREUD COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by AndyUK on Feb 16, 2010 11:35:06 GMT -5
He wanted to come back, so yes, he should have. Who are we to say whether he should or shouldn't have?
I'm happy for him. He finally wants to put this all behind him and he seems to remembered more now for Montreal than his wrestling career, which is a disgrace. This angle will put all of that to bed. The fact that he'll get a great sendoff at the end of it all and finally be able put Montreal behind him is enough of a reason for him to have come back.
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