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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 23, 2010 1:53:12 GMT -5
This would be Evans' fourth comic book film, wouldn't it? He played Johnny Storm in two Fantastic Four flicks and he's in The Losers, another comic book film that is coming up soon. And now this.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 23, 2010 2:09:44 GMT -5
Evens is going to look absolutely slapass RETARDED in that mask and uniform. His face is all wrong for it and he....f*** it. He looks NOTHING like you'd think a f*****g WWII soldier would. For one thing, I don't think guys wore f*****g eyebrow pencil and had frosted tips in their hair in WWII.
F*****g pretty boy.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 23, 2010 2:15:14 GMT -5
Evens is going to look absolutely slapass RETARDED in that mask and uniform. His face is all wrong for it and he....f*** it. He looks NOTHING like you'd think a f*****g WWII soldier would. For one thing, I don't think guys wore f*****g eyebrow pencil and had frosted tips in their hair in WWII. F*****g pretty boy. Calm down mang. Just cause that's what Evans looks like in his casual wear, doesn't mean that's what he'll look like during the film. You gotta have faith man.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 23, 2010 2:18:13 GMT -5
Evens is going to look absolutely slapass RETARDED in that mask and uniform. His face is all wrong for it and he....f*** it. He looks NOTHING like you'd think a f*****g WWII soldier would. For one thing, I don't think guys wore f*****g eyebrow pencil and had frosted tips in their hair in WWII. F*****g pretty boy. Just going by ' before the films were made' examples- if you didn't know how it turned out : = Or more recently- = And those turned out ok. I'll wait n see.
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Post by The Tank on Mar 23, 2010 2:20:16 GMT -5
I don't think this is too good of an idea. Nothing against Chris Evans, but I just can't get the vibe of "legendary soldier" from him.
Then again, as Slim just posted, comic movies often have what appears to be poor casting until the film is actually seen.
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Post by Cela on Mar 23, 2010 2:20:25 GMT -5
They have the GDP of a medium sized country resting on this, he'll look great.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 23, 2010 2:57:21 GMT -5
Good examples, Slim. However one thing I can say in the defense of both Ledger and Keaton....if you really THOUGHT about it, Keaton had the Bruce Wayne vibe about him, and he had a lot of talent so he really wasn't that much of a stretch as Bats. Ledger had boatloads of talent as well, and he was known for that Johnny Depp ability to morph himself into different characters and completely disappear. The only things against either two men in those cases were thoe performances of those who had come before them. Keaton got off easier of the two of them, because all he had to beat was Adam West. Ledger had to blow away Jack friggin' Nicholson (whose turn had become iconic by that point). No small task.
Evans on the other hand...he's a bleach blond California pretty boy with NONE of Cap's quirkss or qualities...and I'm not too sure I'd ever buy him as being the "ideal" mold of the super-soldier, or a badass, take charge, balls to the wall dictionary definition of "soldier" "leader" and "patriot" like Cap is supposed to be.
Then again, I was championing John Cena for the role, so I've really no room to talk. Cena would have been atrocious, acting wise, but I for one could buy HIM as a US super soldier and WWII asskicker far more easily than I can EVER swallow a pathetic pretty boy douche like Evans in the role.
I mean, have ANY of you played Ultimate Alliance 1 or 2? THAT is how Cap is supposed to come across. Seeing Evan's douchey, pinched face in that mask and hearing his squeaky, high pitched voice saying "Avengers ASSEMBLE!"......that's going to be too much to bear for me. That's some hideous s*** right there.
The guy was PERFECT as annoying prick Johnny Storm...no WAY that same guy can pull off a convincing Cap.
And yes, I've seen Sunshine. CIllian Murphy ( a much better actor IMO) stole that show and carried the wooden Evans to a watchable performance.
EDIT: All that being said.....I'll wait and see what he does with the role, I suppose. I hope for the sake of the planned Avengers film that Evans proves me wrong.
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Post by DSR on Mar 23, 2010 20:22:39 GMT -5
This would be Evans' fourth comic book film, wouldn't it? He played Johnny Storm in two Fantastic Four flicks and he's in The Losers, another comic book film that is coming up soon. And now this. He's in SCOTT PILGRIM VS. THE WORLD, too.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Mar 23, 2010 20:30:09 GMT -5
Why exactly were people throwing fits over possibility Channing Tatum would get the part? Is Evans THAT much better than him. Oh yeah, and I guess this means the F4 movies are pretty much dead too. Yes, he is. You see, Evans actually has charisma. Something Mr. Tatum is severely lacking.
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Post by Legion on Mar 24, 2010 18:22:45 GMT -5
Good examples, Slim. However one thing I can say in the defense of both Ledger and Keaton....if you really THOUGHT about it, Keaton had the Bruce Wayne vibe about him, and he had a lot of talent so he really wasn't that much of a stretch as Bats. Ledger had boatloads of talent as well, and he was known for that Johnny Depp ability to morph himself into different characters and completely disappear. The only things against either two men in those cases were thoe performances of those who had come before them. Keaton got off easier of the two of them, because all he had to beat was Adam West. Ledger had to blow away Jack friggin' Nicholson (whose turn had become iconic by that point). No small task. Evans on the other hand...he's a bleach blond California pretty boy with NONE of Cap's quirkss or qualities...and I'm not too sure I'd ever buy him as being the "ideal" mold of the super-soldier, or a badass, take charge, balls to the wall dictionary definition of "soldier" "leader" and "patriot" like Cap is supposed to be. Then again, I was championing John Cena for the role, so I've really no room to talk. Cena would have been atrocious, acting wise, but I for one could buy HIM as a US super soldier and WWII asskicker far more easily than I can EVER swallow a pathetic pretty boy douche like Evans in the role. I mean, have ANY of you played Ultimate Alliance 1 or 2? THAT is how Cap is supposed to come across. Seeing Evan's douchey, pinched face in that mask and hearing his squeaky, high pitched voice saying "Avengers ASSEMBLE!"......that's going to be too much to bear for me. That's some hideous s*** right there. The guy was PERFECT as annoying prick Johnny Storm...no WAY that same guy can pull off a convincing Cap. And yes, I've seen Sunshine. CIllian Murphy ( a much better actor IMO) stole that show and carried the wooden Evans to a watchable performance. EDIT: All that being said.....I'll wait and see what he does with the role, I suppose. I hope for the sake of the planned Avengers film that Evans proves me wrong. I don't think I have ever agreed with a post more than this one....well, bar the Cena bit.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2010 18:57:03 GMT -5
Evens is going to look absolutely slapass RETARDED in that mask and uniform. His face is all wrong for it and he....f*** it. He looks NOTHING like you'd think a f*****g WWII soldier would. For one thing, I don't think guys wore f*****g eyebrow pencil and had frosted tips in their hair in WWII. F*****g pretty boy. I'm pending judgment. He looks really young for this role and to pretty but we'll see. It's going to be a costly studio movie and movie make up and prothestics have come a very long way. At least he is has somewhat of a square chin and bit of a square face.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 24, 2010 19:10:48 GMT -5
BAH! A part of me is secretly hoping that the release was a misprint and we'll get Chris Pine....he's also a bit of a pretty boy, but at least he looks more the role than Evans does.
Heh...it's a long shot, but maybe they bring on George Clooney to overdub Evans' voice?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2010 19:55:33 GMT -5
Well, just one more of many, many reasons why this movie is going to suck.
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Post by Cela on Mar 25, 2010 1:34:16 GMT -5
Keaton got off easier of the two of them, because all he had to beat was Adam West. So you're saying that Evans can't do a better job than this dude: ?
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 25, 2010 2:03:16 GMT -5
Keaton got off easier of the two of them, because all he had to beat was Adam West. So you're saying that Evans can't do a better job than this dude: ? BZZZZZZT! Wrong answer! There HAS been another portrayal of Cap recently....it wasn't in a movie, but the Ultimate Alliance games have shown what Cap OUGHT to at least sound like, if not look like. THAT's what Evans has to beat, in my mind. And you know....I don't think he can. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't think he can fill the suit or the mask...and I damn sure don't see him as the guy even freakin' LOGAN kowtows to out of respect. Just....not a choice I'm happy with personally.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 25, 2010 2:19:43 GMT -5
Valid points with my comparisons Schach, but still I think we all recall the sturm and durang about Mr. Mom playing Batman and the 'gay cowboy' playing Joker.
Or hell, Clarke Duncan playing Kingpin, and that was solely based on race.
Another thing I think to consider- seemingly this is gonna be the origin/WWII era, the unfrozen- man outta time thing to start. That Cap doesn't HAVE to be the legendary figure YET. He can build to that over the course of the films; and in fact a bit of naivete act would work in his favor for when he's first 'unthawed'.
It may turn out to be bad casting; I hope not as Cap is my second favorite character, but I'm leaning more positive.
Also, personally I didn't find the V.O. version of Cap all that memorable in the Ultimate Alliance games, certainly not to the level of definitive portrayal or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2010 10:10:12 GMT -5
Someone else said it, but he was in Sunshine.... an AMAZING film. So if you doubt his acting talent, then watch Sunshine. As far as him playing Captain America, I think he'll do a good job. I don't think anyone should judge this just yet because it's not like we've actually seen anything from it. And come on, he'll be fighting against The Red Skull played by Hugo Weaving... how can you get better than that? Agree to the nth degree. When you see him as the Captain of that crew in SUNSHINE you can see how someone would think he'd make a great Capt. America. If he can recapture what he did in that film and turn it up - he'll do great. The problem with Evans is that he's very, very hit or miss. He's either great or he's terrible with very little middle ground.
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Post by Legion on Mar 25, 2010 10:47:51 GMT -5
I think the problem with the Sunshine comparison, is even though he was playing a different role to usual, he was still playing a bit of a jerk; that Captain wasn't all that nice a guy and he didn't have that over tone of respect that CA needs to be able to put across. His attempts at being forceful just came off as him being arrogant or needing to be in control, rather than him just being that way because everyone else knows they can't match up.
Cap isn't a jerk, he should never even remotely appear to be a jerk. I don't think that Evans, who has never been in a movie where he didn't get to be at least a bit jerkish, will be able to do this utterly straight and utterly.......'right' in the way that Cap should really always be.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Mar 25, 2010 10:54:58 GMT -5
I'll give Chris Evans a chance (since I do like him). But, if it starts to sound like it's going to be crap, I have one way of making it a bit better: It can't be worse than the 1990 version.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2010 11:03:08 GMT -5
Look at the Abrams "Star Trek" movie. Kirk was an arrogant, selfish jerk until he had some respect drilled into him, and although he kept some of these personality traits, he managed to completely tone them down when it really mattered. For a Cap that casual fans will actually want to see, he needs to have a bit of attitude. To use a wrestling analogy, have you ever noticed that a lot of fans only seem to care about John Cena when he shows some attitude, and hate him when he's the squeaky clean babyface? It makes sense to hire someone like Evans for Cap.
That said, I'm not entirely sure Evans was the best choice physically for the role.
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