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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Mar 17, 2010 21:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 17, 2010 22:03:24 GMT -5
That article was in 07, 3 years ago, man. Lot has changed since then. And even then, Kotaku is part of Gawker, but none of the writers bitch like the writers for the other Gawker blogs. I mean they must have a lot of freedom, considering that one of their full time writers last year was still in college, in fact her last year of college, aka the most time consuming year in a person's college career. Not saying it hasn't been bad, it certainly has been, but since about 06 or 07, things have been good.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Mar 17, 2010 23:50:30 GMT -5
IGN and Gamespot's loss in popularity I think is due to their owners taking away the credibility of the site.
Gamespot with firing jeff gertsmann pretty much ruined their credibility. IGN is getting close by always giving favorable reviews to something that they have the first exclusive review of.
I understand IGN wanting to get the first review of a game, but if they start losing their credibility because of it they may need to rethink their strategy.
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Post by JRX on Mar 18, 2010 14:13:38 GMT -5
Wait, IGN is still around? I'm not surprised; gaming blog sites like Kotaku are really making these old guard sites like IGN and Gamespot slowly obsolete, and with good reason. They should either adapt and keep up with the business as it is, or they have to make sacrifices like this in order to survive. Seriously. Kotaku has more new articles during the weekdays than IGN does, and they half like half or 1/3 of the staff that just ONE DIVISION of IGN has! And on top of that has more daily readers......guess it doesn't hurt that they have a writer in Japan and a writer in Australia allowing them to have new stories 24/5, right? I say 24/5, cause they slow down a lot during the weekend cause everyone save 1 writer is off. Really, all Kotaku has is it's ability to break news. Their editorials suck and they don't really do a good job of reviewing. (then again, IGN doesn't either)
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 18, 2010 17:13:59 GMT -5
Seriously. Kotaku has more new articles during the weekdays than IGN does, and they half like half or 1/3 of the staff that just ONE DIVISION of IGN has! And on top of that has more daily readers......guess it doesn't hurt that they have a writer in Japan and a writer in Australia allowing them to have new stories 24/5, right? I say 24/5, cause they slow down a lot during the weekend cause everyone save 1 writer is off. Really, all Kotaku has is it's ability to break news. Their editorials suck and they don't really do a good job of reviewing. (then again, IGN doesn't either) I prefer their reviews to all other sites for two reasons: 1) They don't use scores. I HATE reviews that use scores. 2) They straight up state what they like and hate about a game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 18:46:06 GMT -5
What's a Kotaku?
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Mar 18, 2010 19:05:39 GMT -5
It's a pretty damn good gaming blog owned by Gawker Media. Really fast with a lot of content, it's where I go too. But I have to agree with JRX, when I want editorial I don't go to Kotaku... unless it's the weekend. Their reviews are ok, well ordered and that, but I think they're short and bland. Though I do like the lack of a rating system too.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 18, 2010 19:21:20 GMT -5
It's a pretty damn good gaming blog owned by Gawker Media. Really fast with a lot of content, it's where I go too. But I have to agree with JRX, when I want editorial I don't go to Kotaku... unless it's the weekend. Their reviews are ok, well ordered and that, but I think they're short and bland. Though I do like the lack of a rating system too. I do think their editorials tend to, well...suck. Cause for one thing, they are always way too long. ESPECIALLY when compared to the rest of their postings. For a site dedicated to quick, fast articles, I find it weird that their editorials are so long. And dear god, I can't read anything by Tim Rogers, a guest editorial writer who lives in Japan(not to be confused with Brian Ashcraft, their full time Japan reporter), he pretty much hates everything about Japan nowadays(and doesn't like how every single dish in Japan has meat used in it in some way(note, Tim's one of those elitist vegetarians)), and the dude loves making walls of texts. Seriously, his rant on why he hates Japan, if copied and pasted into Microsoft Word with the default font size was TWENTY THREE PAGES LONG! Just about the only editorials I can truly read all the way through is Leigh Alexander's(another guest editorial writer). Or the "Weekend Reader" which is where they post an chunk of an editorial from another site and if we like the chunk enough, they have the link to the full editorial. I pretty much use it just for the news, and the reviews(only every now and then).
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Mar 18, 2010 19:26:50 GMT -5
Not only are the editorials surprisingly long, but they don't have to be. They ramble too much.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Mar 18, 2010 20:16:34 GMT -5
Can't say this makes me sad. I've found most reviews today (IGN especially) to be "political" in the sense that they tend to give games they know will sell well a much higher score than it deserves while tanking smaller-budget titles. Also find they don't grade a game for what it should be (example: game was made to be a straight on the rails FPS but gets bad marks for not being more "open").
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Also, the new site layout sucks.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Mar 18, 2010 22:32:32 GMT -5
Can't say this makes me sad. I've found most reviews today (IGN especially) to be "political" in the sense that they tend to give games they know will sell well a much higher score than it deserves while tanking smaller-budget titles. Also find they don't grade a game for what it should be (example: game was made to be a straight on the rails FPS but gets bad marks for not being more "open"). End Rant Also, the new site layout sucks. I don't think IGN purposefully does that. I do think they'll take the hit on their credibility for more hits by doing early reviews and giving those games good scores. The thing that really killed IGN though was that they grew too big to manage. What IGN should've done is become an IGN network with their movie site being one individual site and their game sites being individual as well. The way they're set up they get ad revenue from only one source, yet their staff is too big for just one source.
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Post by theryno665 on Mar 18, 2010 22:40:11 GMT -5
As much as I hate to see people laid off, IGN only did it to themselves. Between their reviews and some of their editorials, their credibility has been spiraling downward for a while now. I usually go to Gametrailers or Destructoid first then IGN for a second (or third) opinion, one that I usually take with a grain of salt.
But really, all I care about is if Jessica Chobot is still around. Not that she couldn't (and isn't already) get work anywhere else but as long as she's doing the Daily Fix and not that random dude that's not Jessica Chobot, I couldn't care less.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Mar 18, 2010 22:50:07 GMT -5
The thing that really killed IGN though was that they grew too big to manage. What IGN should've done is become an IGN network with their movie site being one individual site and their game sites being individual as well. The way they're set up they get ad revenue from only one source, yet their staff is too big for just one source. The worst part is that they already own Gamespy, Rotten Tomatoes, Askmen, and Gamestats. You'd think that they would spin off some of their gaming stuff to gamespy, or do some original reviews for Rotten Tomatoes or something. But instead, they bought a bunch of sites centered around doing things IGN already does.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 18, 2010 22:54:40 GMT -5
The thing that really killed IGN though was that they grew too big to manage. What IGN should've done is become an IGN network with their movie site being one individual site and their game sites being individual as well. The way they're set up they get ad revenue from only one source, yet their staff is too big for just one source. The worst part is that they already own Gamespy, Rotten Tomatoes, Askmen, and Gamestats. You'd think that they would spin off some of their gaming stuff to gamespy, or do some original reviews for Rotten Tomatoes or something. But instead, they bought a bunch of sites centered around doing things IGN already does. Yeah, seems like rather poor planning from a business sense.
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Post by Mattification on Mar 19, 2010 15:57:21 GMT -5
Used to go to IGN for all my gaming news. They tend to be very slow with stuff nowadays. I prefer Joystiq. I also don't really value their reviews as much as I once did.
Still sad to see people losing their jobs though. Been there, done that and it's not good at all.
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