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Post by Orange on May 12, 2010 5:21:15 GMT -5
No I'm not talking about that crapfest that was the actual Adult Party Cartoon or whatever that was
So after not seeing the show for a good 5 years I came across it on NickToons Network, and while I enjoyed the show I couldn't help but realize all of the subtle adult humor behind it. So in your opinion was Ren & Stimpy an adult cartoon trapped on a kid's network? I guess when you look at it the same could be said about Rocko's Modern Life.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 12, 2010 5:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by Paul on May 12, 2010 5:51:12 GMT -5
R&S was a bad cartoon that Nick refused to let die long after it's good era was over.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on May 12, 2010 5:57:08 GMT -5
The Original Ren and Stimpy was a CLASSIC cartoon, I think it's a good thing it was on Nick because Jon K had to have some restraint. We saw what happen once he had free reign.
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Post by shadowforce420 on May 12, 2010 7:23:08 GMT -5
The Original Ren and Stimpy was a CLASSIC cartoon, I think it's a good thing it was on Nick because Jon K had to have some restraint. We saw what happen once he had free reign. The Russo Effect. |
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Post by Kash Flagg on May 12, 2010 7:24:50 GMT -5
Rocko's Modern Life had a ton of adult references in it as well. Playing a board game called "Spank the Monkey" comes to mind.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 12, 2010 8:21:00 GMT -5
The dropoff in quality on Ren and Stimpy after the first couple seasons is jarring. The original run was the stuff legends are made of, but the later years were just terrible.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on May 12, 2010 8:52:11 GMT -5
Rocko's Modern Life had a ton of adult references in it as well. Playing a board game called "Spank the Monkey" comes to mind. And of course... |
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Post by CJ Denton is Egon on May 12, 2010 9:00:09 GMT -5
The Original Ren and Stimpy was a CLASSIC cartoon, I think it's a good thing it was on Nick because Jon K had to have some restraint. We saw what happen once he had free reign. Thats what I feel too. A very rare example where censorship helped a show. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2010 9:08:51 GMT -5
I'd say no, not at all.
Ren & Stimpy was not an "adult show," nor was it a "kids' show." It was a GOOD show, and good shows can't be defined as such. In response to the same question being raised about Looney Tunes cartoons being "for adults" or "for kids," many of the Warner Bros. animators in Termite Terrace were known to say that they didn't make the shorts with either audience in mind - they just used what they found funny. That's what made them so good.
A lot of the jokes on shows like Ren & Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life that people thing of as "adult humor" do not fly over the heads of kids. In fact, it's that kind of humor that is flat-out hilarious to them. I doubt there are many adolescents that wouldn't know what "spank the monkey" meant, and personally, that joke would have gotten a lot more mileage with me as a kid than it does now, because when you're younger, "naughty" things are endlessly amusing.
The great thing about Ren & Stimpy is that not only does it avoid mollycoddling its viewers or insulting their intelligence, it also doesn't cut any corners with animation. In an era dominated by companies like Filmation and Dic where creativity was discouraged and animators were known to actually trace model sheets, Ren & Stimpy was a breath of fresh air. It's widely acknowledged that because of how sick he was of animation being done that way, John Kricfalusi actually made it forbidden for his animators to draw the same pose/expression twice in one cartoon. John K. (and more importantly, Ralph Bakshi before him) helped to usher in an era of creator-driven cartoons.
So no, I would not say that it was anything close to an "adult cartoon trapped on Nickelodeon." It was a unique, quality cartoon that did a lot to break down convention in an era of formulaic mediocrity.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 12, 2010 9:59:59 GMT -5
I'd say no, not at all. John Kricfalusi actually made it forbidden for his animators to draw the same pose/expression twice in one cartoon. Not exactly...they pieced it together from old shows, but it seems new to the trusting eyes of impressionable youth.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2010 10:57:29 GMT -5
I'd say it was a bad show that tried to catch a second wind and got worse in the process.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 12, 2010 11:13:44 GMT -5
I'd say it was a bad show that tried to catch a second wind and got worse in the process. Well, it certainly got worse as it went on, but I'm glad you agree that it was great at first, and- Wait. ... </tapes fists> |
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Post by crash1984 on May 12, 2010 12:34:35 GMT -5
Rocko's Modern Life had a ton of adult references in it as well. Playing a board game called "Spank the Monkey" comes to mind. Rocko was probably my favorite NickToon. Looking back at it there were a lot of adult references that watching it now makes it even better. There was one where Rocko and Heffer check into a Notel Motel that has rooms available by the hour (Nick got so much complaints that this scene was edited out). Then my favorite which was the one where Rocko goes to the hospital was gold. One scene has the doctor reach his hands low and tells Rocko to cough. Later on he tells Rocko to bend over and it shows the doctor putting on a glove, the next scene it shows Rocko walking funny. Not a Nicktoon but another Cartoon that was loaded with stuff like that was Cow and Chicken. When this came on I was beginning to get the jokes a lot more. Cow had three dolls Manure the Bear which any kid could get. But her other two dolls were called Crabs the Warthog and Piles the Beaver. Also I seem to remember she made a pie she called a cow pie. |
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Post by The Line on May 12, 2010 14:23:45 GMT -5
Also, The KFC-type place in Rocko was called "Chokey's Chicken".
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Post by waluigi on May 12, 2010 14:54:41 GMT -5
That's probably what John K. wanted it to be. But when his vision was fully realized, look what we got.
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Post by Throwback on May 12, 2010 15:33:22 GMT -5
it also doesn't cut any corners with animation. Ren and Stimpy cut corners in animation all the time. Granted most times it was done in a creative way (Zoom shot to extreme close up, hold for 60 frames ) But other times it was killer obvious (reused backgrounds and animation cells) But I personally have never necessarily seen these as cutting corners. I've always seen them as techniques to save money and time as well as get the work done. So it's all in the eye of the beholder I guess. Disney has been doing it for as long as I can remember. Two most notable scenes are when the wolves are kissing Mogali in The Jungle Book are the same animation cells as when Wart is being kissed by the dogs in The Sword in the Stone. As well as The snow white dance scene with the dwarfs are the same animation cells as when Maid Marian dances with the merry men in Robin Hood. It's an old technique that I feel is a good idea. look at this short clip I made Do you know how much time, money and materials they saved on just that 3 second clip? think about that. every second of animation is 24 separate pictures which at the time had to be hand drawn and painted. So it's easy to figure out why it would be better to simply draw over pre existing cells instead of creating new ones from scratch. But I've gone WAY off topic here. I used to really like ren and stimpy when I was in 6th grade. but now when I watch the reruns it just doesn't given me the same feeling it used to. The show used to seem so edgy and unique when I was 11. But now since I've seen things far more edgy in my 16 years since then. The show comes off a little tame. |
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Post by Orange on May 12, 2010 17:32:54 GMT -5
it also doesn't cut any corners with animation. Ren and Stimpy cut corners in animation all the time. Granted most times it was done in a creative way (Zoom shot to extreme close up, hold for 60 frames ) But other times it was killer obvious (reused backgrounds and animation cells) But I personally have never necessarily seen these as cutting corners. I've always seen them as techniques to save money and time as well as get the work done. So it's all in the eye of the beholder I guess. Disney has been doing it for as long as I can remember. Two most notable scenes are when the wolves are kissing Mogali in The Jungle Book are the same animation cells as when Wart is being kissed by the dogs in The Sword in the Stone. As well as The snow white dance scene with the dwarfs are the same animation cells as when Maid Marian dances with the merry men in Robin Hood. It's an old technique that I feel is a good idea. look at this short clip I made Do you know how much time, money and materials they saved on just that 3 second clip? think about that. every second of animation is 24 separate pictures which at the time had to be hand drawn and painted. So it's easy to figure out why it would be better to simply draw over pre existing cells instead of creating new ones from scratch. But I've gone WAY off topic here. I used to really like ren and stimpy when I was in 6th grade. but now when I watch the reruns it just doesn't given me the same feeling it used to. The show used to seem so edgy and unique when I was 11. But now since I've seen things far more edgy in my 16 years since then. The show comes off a little tame. Very true on the reusing animation, that I don't mind at all as long as it's not painfully obvious. Like in that clip you can tell it's the same animation, but the setting is so different that, if spaced out enough it would make you forget it's the same. |
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Post by Throwback on May 12, 2010 18:47:32 GMT -5
Very true on the reusing animation, that I don't mind at all as long as it's not painfully obvious. Like in that clip you can tell it's the same animation, but the setting is so different that, if spaced out enough it would make you forget it's the same. here's another vid somebody made showing a few of the reused animation cells in Disney Movies. IMO The Jungle Book is the best example of Disney reusing animation. you can almost pick any random scene in that movie and find they reused it again in other movies or even again later in the same movie. But even as a kid it never bothered me too much. For example Kah in The Jungle book and Sir hiss in Robin hood use alot of the same cells. (And voice actor) I thought it was funny that he kept getting his tail tied in knots over and over again. |
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