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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jan 22, 2010 7:31:15 GMT -5
I was watching last night, and I saw Angle get "Montreal'd", and I have to wonder what the hell was that for? Are they trying to take a poorly-executed shot at the WWE, in that we know the whole thing is kayfabe? Is that the point? Are they trying to say Montreal was a work? And if so, why would you do something like that? It's not going to increase your fanbase, because the audience that this idea would appeal to is already watching. It doesn't make sense professionally, because TNA can't compete with the WWE. It just comes off as something stupid, because it's harkening back to something that didn't even happen in your promotion, while at the same time, showing the audience that Hogan holds the reins now.
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Post by ericv1 on Jan 22, 2010 8:00:45 GMT -5
That is all I have to say about this angle. Also..
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Post by defdave on Jan 22, 2010 8:04:51 GMT -5
Why do we care? Why do we have to over-analyze everything these days? Why can't we just enjoy it for what it is?
You know....I love the internet. I really do. But this type of thing...all this about booking and backstage stuff is honestly really detrimental to pro wrestling overall.
Eventually, everybody who watches wrestling will be smarks. What will that mean for the product? I mean, guys...we're talking about staged athletics here. All this armchair booking really subtracts from the enjoyment the product was intended to provide. It is what it is, but I just think it's really sad. I know it's been happening for years....I mean...I'm 31 and I first went "online" in 1990. But still....it's sad to see this happen. Everybody's an insider now.
Seriously. Compare it to film. If everyone who went to watch a movie acted like the online wrestling community, the film industry would be in disarray. Imagine it. Most of the big blockbusters throughout film history never would have made as big of an impact. I don't need to explain this. You all are smart enough to connect the dots. Just think about it.
I watched the entire episode of iMPACT! (minus the "knockouts") and you know what? I actually enjoyed the whole entire episode. That's the first time that's happened in probably 10 years. The show was great, regardless of the end.
As far as the end is concerned, first of all...one thing that made it somewhat interesting was the fact that Hebner was involved. But besides that, we don't know what's going to happen next for sure.
So please...let's stop the constant bitching...the constant whining...the overall ragging over EVERYTHING that TNA does. Why don't we see the same level of scrutiny for WWE? The fact is...we don't. Yes we see the occasional criticism of WWE. But not nearly to the extent that TNA does. Let's bring back some objectivity to our posts, okay? Seriously, folks.
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Post by jalen on Jan 22, 2010 8:09:45 GMT -5
I agree with you defdave, but given the hate many here have for Hogan, I don't think it is ever going to stop as long as he is apart of the company. It's sad, because I am a Hogan fan and like the direction TNA is going, so it is a bit tiresome to read the negativity, but unfortunately nothing is going to change it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 8:15:33 GMT -5
So please...let's stop the constant bitching...the constant whining...the overall ragging over EVERYTHING that TNA does. We don't rag on everything TNA does. We just rag on the horrible things that TNA does. It just so happens that there are a lot of horrible decisions being made. Last year you could see me routinely on this board praising the good decisions TNA were making. That's because you're posting this on the TNA board, talking to people who post on the topic of TNA. Check out the WWE boards, you will see plenty of well-deserved criticism. Thread after thread devoted to how horrible next week's z-list celebrity guest host is. Thread after thread filled with people going apoplectic every time Hornswoggle shows up on TV. And Orton boring nature. And Cena's invincibility. And Sheamus' terminal albinoism. And so forth. Right now, TNA is making some truly bad decisions. They are adopting a policy of "we'll give you what we want to give you, not what you want to see." And much like the Nasty Boys' sex tapes, the fans are revolting. Just in my opinion, of course.
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Post by defdave on Jan 22, 2010 8:20:20 GMT -5
I agree with you defdave, but given the hate many here have for Hogan, I don't think it is ever going to stop as long as he is apart of the company. It's sad, because I am a Hogan fan and like the direction TNA is going, so it is a bit tiresome to read the negativity, but unfortunately nothing is going to change it. Unfortunately, I think you are absolutely right, Jalen. Let's imagine this....replace Hogan with Stone Cold Steve Austin making the exact same moves. Would we see all these negative threads second-guessing EVERY single move TNA makes? Me thinks not. Most of the criticism is, as JR said...not objective at all.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jan 22, 2010 8:51:59 GMT -5
That is an awful comparison. At the very least, Stone Cold knew when to hang it up. Going deeper, Stone Cold never took over the direction of the company. Even when he was co-GM with Bischoff, we still knew it was Vince pulling the strings. He never brought in a bunch of his cronies. He never tried to carry the company on his back. And he never made stupid calls like this one last night. Why can't I just enjoy it for what it was? Because I don't know what it was. On its surface, it was a horrible parody. If you factor in the Hogan/Bischoff factor, it could be a lot of things, none of which I find remotely appealing. So, it was either crap, or something I felt like I wasted my time watching. Either way, it's crap.
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Post by moonlight on Jan 22, 2010 11:42:31 GMT -5
Being old as I am, nature called and I missed the screwjob. I asked my wife what happened, and she said, "I don't watch that crap!" ...... So I guess I missed it. I did see Easy "E" come out with the bloody forehead and yell that Foley was fired. How can you fire an investor? Don't you have to buy them out?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 11:44:56 GMT -5
Not in the magical world of sports entertainment. Executive shareholders have to earn their spot in the company just because The Boss has taken on a new business partner.
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Post by The QC Loser on Jan 22, 2010 11:51:02 GMT -5
Not seeing negativity about WWE??? Madison had to even post to knock off all the negativity on the WWE boards it was so bad.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 22, 2010 11:52:29 GMT -5
The problem with the Hogan/Austin analogy is that Austin doesn't think and act like he and he alone is responsible for the entire success of his era the way that Hogan does. Therefore, Hogan thinks he can take over an entire promotion because the vision he has is, in his eyes, the correct one.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Jan 22, 2010 12:21:20 GMT -5
Hogan was the driving force for the booms in the eighties and nineties though.
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Post by mauled on Jan 22, 2010 12:26:34 GMT -5
Arghh Montreal I remember now Wrestlemania 16 where teeney weeney shawn micheals pulled a fast one on Bret and held him down for the pin.
As for criticising Austin say to Hogan. Well Austin has not come in with his cronies wrecking everything good about the show and bleeding it dry of every nickle and dime (In the UK its pounds and pennys) they can.
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Post by The OP on Jan 22, 2010 12:28:56 GMT -5
I think we're supposed to be mad at Hogan and Bischoff both on a kayfabe level for screwing Angle out of the title, and also on a "worked-shoot" sort of level where we're mad at them for stealing the idea from Vince McMahon, the same idea related to a storyline that is going on in WWE right now.
There's a reason why they showed the fans chanting "six sides" to open this week's Impact, and I'm starting to think the whole "lecture" that the production crew gave the Impact Zone was a bit of reverse psychology designed to stir them up, because it's becoming increasingly clear that they want the fans against Hogan and Bischoff.
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Post by mauled on Jan 22, 2010 12:30:39 GMT -5
Hogan was the driving force for the booms in the eighties and nineties though. The 80's yes. The 90's not so much after the intial curiosty/shock of him going to WCW it died off and he was getting booed in arenas (Jimmy Hart and other Hogan cronies have admitted this) The whole NWO outsiders invasion angle was really spearheaded by Hall and Nash and Hogan just jumped on the bandwagon of that by turning heel. And I would put foward that once the shock of Hulk Hogan is a bad guy wore off people were getting tired of him.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 22, 2010 12:59:15 GMT -5
I was watching last night, and I saw Angle get "Montreal'd", and I have to wonder what the hell was that for? You were not the only one. My group of friends were stunned for a few moments last night while this whole mess was going down. Our consensus, it was one of the worst things we had ever collectivly seen in the industry. Especially when you take into account that the man at the center of the real Montreal Screwjob is currently all over the competition's TV product, WTF TNA WTF?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 13:13:11 GMT -5
I don't know what, if anything the payoff to this angle will be. but it seems bush league.
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Post by manstis1804 on Jan 22, 2010 13:42:22 GMT -5
Okay this company is really trying too hard. And too much Hogan/Bischoff/Bubba/Foley/Jarrett/Hall/Waltman Impact was garbage this week, and when you compare it to the product in November it's disturbing how quickly they've fallen.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jan 22, 2010 13:43:22 GMT -5
I think we're supposed to be mad at Hogan and Bischoff both on a kayfabe level for screwing Angle out of the title, and also on a "worked-shoot" sort of level where we're mad at them for stealing the idea from Vince McMahon, the same idea related to a storyline that is going on in WWE right now. I'm not so much mad, as I am confused. That has to have been the most half-assed attempt to get people to hate you that I've ever seen.
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Post by slickster on Jan 22, 2010 13:52:19 GMT -5
Apparently they were going to run this angle on 1/4 until someone pointed out it might remind people Bret Hart was on Raw at the same time.
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