Reg the Veg
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Post by Reg the Veg on Jun 17, 2010 5:43:45 GMT -5
...ok I've said this on here many times before but I feel like saying it again...I hate vegetarians/vegans...I'll admit some are nice people but they're going against nature and thats just wrong...if it's not toxic to eat it was meant to be eaten...now if you don't mind I'm going to continue eating my veal steak also anyone that says they're giving up meat because of the way the animals are treated best not have a problem with eating that dear I just spent 5+ hours skinning, gutting, and cooking...because that thing was wild and and wasn't mistreated until that arrow pierced it's throat...now eat your meat before I get angry not to sound like i'm flaming, but i think you need to chill out about veggies. i'm not a vegetarian, but my attitude is that so long as a person's decision doesn't affect anyone but themselves, they can do whatever the hell they want. just because animals eat each other, doesn't mean we should. we get a choice, and if a person chooses to not eat any animals then i'm ok with that, because it's not like they're making me eat anything different to what i do. fair enough if you hate the pushy veggies who try and alter other people's eating habits, but my mate's a veggie, and since he doesn't rattle on about what all of us should be eating, it doesn't change anything about how we view each other, nor should it. sorry if it seems like i'm personally having a go at you, but it just comes across that you're hating a group of people for no reason other than the fact that they're different to you.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 17, 2010 5:46:26 GMT -5
The point is that they don't want animals to be killed just so they can eat, what does taste have to do with this?
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 17, 2010 6:22:40 GMT -5
Question; what would happen with cows and other farm animals if people stopped eating the meat? Who would raise them, take care of them, what would be the point of farming if there's no profit to be had? Isn't the meat industry the whole reason behind farming (exept maybe wool)?
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Post by quantum on Jun 17, 2010 6:33:18 GMT -5
My wife sabotages any attempt I make to go vegatarian or vegan. I understand making our daughter eat meat at her age to get all the vitamins she needs, but I can't make it any clearer that I want to eat less animal-based products. Her response? Steak for dinner. She tries to rationalize it with the "you don't like vegitibles," or "you don't like beans" yet, anytime I point out vegies I DO like, and ways to make ones I don't like palatible. She came up with this awesome vegan dish. I say I love it. What does she do? Put shrimp in it. At what point do I believe she's lying to me when she says she'd support vegitarinasm (sp) in the house? You can get all the protein though a vegetarian or vegan based diet just takes a little more planning and if you wife tires to sabotage your diet why not try cooking yourself?
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Post by quantum on Jun 17, 2010 6:34:52 GMT -5
...ok I've said this on here many times before but I feel like saying it again...I hate vegetarians/vegans...I'll admit some are nice people but they're going against nature and thats just wrong...if it's not toxic to eat it was meant to be eaten...now if you don't mind I'm going to continue eating my veal steak also anyone that says they're giving up meat because of the way the animals are treated best not have a problem with eating that dear I just spent 5+ hours skinning, gutting, and cooking...because that thing was wild and and wasn't mistreated until that arrow pierced it's throat...now eat your meat before I get angry not to sound like i'm flaming, but i think you need to chill out about veggies. i'm not a vegetarian, but my attitude is that so long as a person's decision doesn't affect anyone but themselves, they can do whatever the hell they want. just because animals eat each other, doesn't mean we should. we get a choice, and if a person chooses to not eat any animals then i'm ok with that, because it's not like they're making me eat anything different to what i do. fair enough if you hate the pushy veggies who try and alter other people's eating habits, but my mate's a veggie, and since he doesn't rattle on about what all of us should be eating, it doesn't change anything about how we view each other, nor should it. sorry if it seems like i'm personally having a go at you, but it just comes across that you're hating a group of people for no reason other than the fact that they're different to you. here here!!
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Dave at the Movies
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jun 17, 2010 6:36:27 GMT -5
I don't mind people who are vegetarians but it annoys the hell out of me when someone becomes a vegetarian and doesn't know how to substitute the nutrients you get from meat.
There is nothing wrong with not eating meat but this whole thing about how it is healthier for you is pure BS. It's like how people say if you eat less calories or junk food you will live longer. That is not only false but pretty stupid. The key to living a healthy life is getting your vitamins and exercising. Anything else you eat really won't affect you that much if you don't go overboard and eat things in moderation.
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Post by quantum on Jun 17, 2010 6:54:57 GMT -5
I don't mind people who are vegetarians but it annoys the hell out of me when someone becomes a vegetarian and doesn't know how to substitute the nutrients you get from meat. There is nothing wrong with not eating meat but this whole thing about how it is healthier for you is pure BS. It's like how people say if you eat less calories or junk food you will live longer. That is not only false but pretty stupid. The key to living a healthy life is getting your vitamins and exercising. Anything else you eat really won't affect you that much if you don't go overboard and eat things in moderation. Sorry but eating healthier and cutting down or changing the content of your calories (junk for healthy foods) not only help you live l;ionger but also promote quality of life and help you feel better in general. You will get more vitamins for healthy foods than you can or will form junk (you contradicted yourself in your post)., Eating junk in modera\tion is fine however to say a healthy diet won;t effect your life is ignorant ask any athlete dietitian or doctor. A healthy diet can not only make you feel better, promote your quality of life and make you look better but can also protect against certain disease (as can regular exercise). I do agree with you that many people cut out meat and don;t know how to substitute it in their diet however cutting down or cutting meat out (depending on the individual) can promote health benefits especially if you already suffer from high cholestral which can bring on a whole range of negative health effects including heart desiese certain cancers. and strokes. Meat in the number one cause for high cholestral. check here www.bodybuilding.com for further (factual) advice on diets, healthy eating and cuases and effects of diets.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jun 17, 2010 7:10:12 GMT -5
I don't mind people who are vegetarians but it annoys the hell out of me when someone becomes a vegetarian and doesn't know how to substitute the nutrients you get from meat. There is nothing wrong with not eating meat but this whole thing about how it is healthier for you is pure BS. It's like how people say if you eat less calories or junk food you will live longer. That is not only false but pretty stupid. The key to living a healthy life is getting your vitamins and exercising. Anything else you eat really won't affect you that much if you don't go overboard and eat things in moderation. Sorry but eating healthier and cutting down or changing the content of your calories (junk for healthy foods) not only help you live l;ionger but also promote quality of life and help you feel better in general. You will get more vitamins for healthy foods than you can or will form junk (you contradicted yourself in your post)., Eating junk in modera\tion is fine however to say a healthy diet won;t effect your life is ignorant ask any athlete dietitian or doctor. A healthy diet can not only make you feel better, promote your quality of life and make you look better but can also protect against certain disease (as can regular exercise). I do agree with you that many people cut out meat and don;t know how to substitute it in their diet however cutting down or cutting meat out (depending on the individual) can promote health benefits especially if you already suffer from high cholestral which can bring on a whole range of negative health effects including heart desiese certain cancers. and strokes. Meat in the number one cause for high cholestral. check here www.bodybuilding.com for further (factual) advice on diets, healthy eating and cuases and effects of diets. Your right I kind of mixed my words up. What I meant more to say is these people who say that the more calories you eat in your lifetime the more years it takes off your life. That may be true if you live your whole life like that but the less calories you eat your whole life does not really mean you will live a longer life. I mostly get mad at people who say you should never touch junk food because it will make you unhealthy. For some people due to their biology that may be true to an certain extent but for the majority of people that isn't true. Eating higher fat food in moderation along with a healthy diet is the true way to go. For example I myself only eat whatever I want(fast food, gas station stuff) once a month. I could eat more due to exercising and burning on average 1500 calories every day but my family genetics aren't that great so I have to exercise a lot more than the average person to stay lean and muscle bulky.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 17, 2010 7:41:09 GMT -5
Yeah, undertaking a Vegetarian diet is in large part a moral and ethical issue, and it's mostly an indivdual choice, rather than a spirutal discipline. It's not Kosher by any means, and I could see an argument for fake meat going either way. However, it's not so much vegetarians you are talking about, rather the self absorbed and the self righteous, who are a human universal. Yeah I just see it as, if you have such a problem with animals getting killed (and I stick up for animal rights, but killing animals for meat isn't exactly a new thing) it's hypocritical to still want the taste of that animal. For me you either go all in or bust, there is no in between. You do realize there's literally nothing hypocritical about what you're describing, right? My father loves veal. However, in his house, veal isn't cooked, due to how my parents feel about the way veal is raised and treated. If tomorrow somebody came out with a product that looks, tastes, and feels like veal, but without any of the moral implications behind it, why shouldn't my father eat that? If the entire point is to fight against the way the food industry slaughters animals, you're not railing against the TASTE of the animal, you're railing against the way the animal is treated.
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Post by Orange on Jun 17, 2010 13:12:44 GMT -5
Yeah I just see it as, if you have such a problem with animals getting killed (and I stick up for animal rights, but killing animals for meat isn't exactly a new thing) it's hypocritical to still want the taste of that animal. For me you either go all in or bust, there is no in between. You do realize there's literally nothing hypocritical about what you're describing, right? My father loves veal. However, in his house, veal isn't cooked, due to how my parents feel about the way veal is raised and treated. If tomorrow somebody came out with a product that looks, tastes, and feels like veal, but without any of the moral implications behind it, why shouldn't my father eat that? If the entire point is to fight against the way the food industry slaughters animals, you're not railing against the TASTE of the animal, you're railing against the way the animal is treated. Fair enough, after all the two family members are the first vegetarians I have ever known in person and during their first few months they acted in a kind of "holier than thou" way about the whole thing. That put me off from it, and the way they personally were talking about vegetarianism (still dont' know if that's a real word) that's why I took the situation as hypocritical. Again I'm new to having somebody that I know be a vegetarian, so that's why I took it as hypocritical.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 17, 2010 13:13:07 GMT -5
It seems rather messed up, if only because it simulates the act of violence without being so. But to be fair, a lot of media does.
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Post by who throws a shoe?! on Jun 17, 2010 15:37:00 GMT -5
There's only 2 things that annoy me about vegetarians:
1) The ones who try to make me feel guilty about eating meat.
2) The ones who say "I'm a vegetarian but I eat fish." If you eat fish you are not a vegetarian.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 17, 2010 15:42:40 GMT -5
Would it be hypocrisy if someone didn't want to own a car for environmental concerns, then rode a bike to work? That's what you're suggesting, that attempting to find a substitute to something you give up is hypocritical.
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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Jun 17, 2010 15:49:13 GMT -5
I support people's lifestyles of trying to become healthy. The only problem I don't like is the whole "Elitist" aspect of it. These people say they are so open minded, but they are pretty militant in their views. I consider myself extremely open minded, but they feel they have to be apart of this elite club that doesn't eat meat and looks down on everyone who does. I haven't ate meat in the past three days and I'm dying for a nice burger right now.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jun 17, 2010 15:59:58 GMT -5
I have never understood the elite aspect that no one can eat meat/hunt and if you do you are evil.People who hunt deer are doing a lot more to help the animals then just sitting back and letting be natural. Guess what they over populate and starve. And those are wild animals. I have had to listen to people say we should realse all the animals in captivity into the wild and let them be free. Guess what will happen. All the crops will get eaten and the animals will die a slow, painful death.
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Post by Catherine Perez on Jun 17, 2010 16:29:55 GMT -5
You had an opportunity to call this thread "My Beef With Vegetarianism" for a few chuckles, and you didn't take it?!
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jun 17, 2010 17:32:33 GMT -5
Some of us like the taste of meat without the, you know, death involved.
Besides, soy-based meat substitutes are a hell of a lot healthier for you. And it's not even the taste of the flesh that we usually crave, but the seasonings used in the meat.
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Post by mrwednesdaynight on Jun 17, 2010 17:38:30 GMT -5
Would it be hypocrisy if someone didn't want to own a car for environmental concerns, then rode a bike to work? That's what you're suggesting, that attempting to find a substitute to something you give up is hypocritical. No, the hypocrit is the person who lectures you on driving a car then drives away in a Hummer. These people exist. I have met them.
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Post by Bullhead on Jun 19, 2010 1:47:49 GMT -5
Question; what would happen with cows and other farm animals if people stopped eating the meat? Who would raise them, take care of them, what would be the point of farming if there's no profit to be had? Isn't the meat industry the whole reason behind farming (exept maybe wool)? Hardcore vegans say that not only should we stop consuming animals we should allow them to roam free. Ever drive by a farm on a hot day? That lovely smell? Imagine that everywhere.
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Post by mcclanahan on Jun 19, 2010 1:55:58 GMT -5
...ok I've said this on here many times before but I feel like saying it again...I hate vegetarians/vegans...I'll admit some are nice people but they're going against nature and thats just wrong...if it's not toxic to eat it was meant to be eaten...now if you don't mind I'm going to continue eating my veal steak also anyone that says they're giving up meat because of the way the animals are treated best not have a problem with eating that dear I just spent 5+ hours skinning, gutting, and cooking...because that thing was wild and and wasn't mistreated until that arrow pierced it's throat...now eat your meat before I get angry not to sound like i'm flaming, but i think you need to chill out about veggies. i'm not a vegetarian, but my attitude is that so long as a person's decision doesn't affect anyone but themselves, they can do whatever the hell they want. just because animals eat each other, doesn't mean we should. we get a choice, and if a person chooses to not eat any animals then i'm ok with that, because it's not like they're making me eat anything different to what i do. fair enough if you hate the pushy veggies who try and alter other people's eating habits, but my mate's a veggie, and since he doesn't rattle on about what all of us should be eating, it doesn't change anything about how we view each other, nor should it. sorry if it seems like i'm personally having a go at you, but it just comes across that you're hating a group of people for no reason other than the fact that they're different to you. hey it's all cool, for the record though at one time I just said to each his own and carried on doing things my way since I like my way for me...but eventually getting preached to almost everyday by someone because eating meat is "wrong" I admitedly became quite bitter and just chose to start hating indiscriminately...at one time the hate started to fade...then right here on WC there was a thread on favorite foods...Veal was one of mine and a veggie (not sure if he/she is still around) started preaching to me and the fire got refueled...honostly it's the little things like this and the post you quoted that help the fire die down again...atleast until the next time I'm told I'm a murderer or a baby killer because I have lamb chops or veal parmesan or fried alligator, I like meat they don't I wanna say who cares, but these days all I can say is get off my back you commie basterds... I'm done now...and actually I'm starting to feal a little better again...Thanks
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