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Post by Trent Valentine on Jul 4, 2010 20:27:09 GMT -5
I've been thinking about Venom for quite a while. And while he seems like a dangerous psychopath, you can't help but feel sorry for him.
Now, you can blame his errors on when he posted a bogus story in the daily bugle. After Spider Man exposed Brock as the fraud he was, it sent his life in a downward spiral. He lost his job, he lost his girlfriend, he was evicted from his apartment, he was forced to write unbelievable stories for tabloids for littler pay than the Bugle was offering. He blamed one person..Spider Man.
Thats when things took a different turn for Brock..the Alien Symbiote that Spidey got rid of, found its way to him. And Venom was born. He went on to prove to be a dangerous enemy to Spider Man, mainly because he knows his secret Identity and could use that to his advantage, and plus, his Spider Sense couldn't pick it up.
But still..you can't help but feel sorry for Brock. He's had it hard his whole life..and Spider Man didn't make it better. Was he to blame for all the problems going on in Brock's life?...Or should Brock take a long good look in the mirror..and blame himself?
Thoughts?
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 4, 2010 20:31:39 GMT -5
Wait, which continuity are we talking about?
Because in the original comics, Brock was just some whiny jackass who was miffed that Spider-Man exposed who the real Sin-Eater was and as a result it got Eddie fired because he had posted a story suggesting it was someone else.
The whole thing about Brock having frequent encounters and failures with Parker and Spider-Man (which every adaptation has followed) is entirely an invention of the 90s animated series. (Which also created the entire story of the symbiote making its host more aggressive)
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jul 4, 2010 20:33:58 GMT -5
I'll go with this option. Every incarnation of Eddie Brock is a dick. Especially the one played by Topher f***ing Grace.
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Post by Trent Valentine on Jul 4, 2010 20:34:06 GMT -5
Wait, which continuity are we talking about? Because in the original comics, Brock was just some whiny jackass who was miffed that Spider-Man exposed who the real Sin-Eater was and as a result it got Eddie fired because he had posted a story suggesting it was someone else. The whole thing about Brock having frequent encounters and failures with Parker and Spider-Man (which every adaptation has followed) is entirely an invention of the 90s animated series. (Which also created the entire story of the symbiote making its host more aggressive) Well its mostly the comic series, but i think i got it mixed up with the animated series, but im thinking of the original comics where he had all these problems and thought Spidey was the source of all his misery (if that happened) |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 4, 2010 20:43:19 GMT -5
Nope all Spidey did was stop a serial killer and save innocent lives. That overrides any negative effects that publishing a bogus confession from a person pretending to be a serial killer had on Eddie's career.
You can empathize with Eddie making the initial mistake, but then not taking responsibility for himself and making Peter the 'cause' of all his problems has to be lain at his feet.
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Post by Cela on Jul 4, 2010 20:54:10 GMT -5
No
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 4, 2010 21:40:16 GMT -5
Heck no.
It's Eddies' problem that he decided to be fradulent to get around in the world. Blaming Spidey/Peter for the problems that brought on himself brought him a terrible burden.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 4, 2010 22:48:56 GMT -5
You can feel sorry for Eddie because his life is basically over now, in servitude to either hating Peter or Venom now (as AntiVenom), but the fact is, the symbiote feeds off of Eddie's innate hatred towards Peter and Spider Man. Nothing he does is justified.
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Post by Goldenbane on Jul 5, 2010 8:38:18 GMT -5
In a way, I felt the symbiote itself was justified in hating Spider-man. When they parted ways (the event at the bell tower) Peter collapsed as the bells were still ringing strongly and the alien got away. HOWEVER, the symbiote came back for Parker and dragged him out before the bells scrambled his brain.
At this time, there was no BS story about the alien making Spider-man overly aggressive or killing him or anything. All it was doing was taking Peter out at nights (while he was still asleep and unaware) and having him jump around to feed it's lust for action and adventure.
I emphasized with the alien in those days because it "loved" Peter and Peter dumped in because he didn't like being "used." I understood why the alien was reacting the way it was and why it felt the way it did.
Eddie Brock on the other hand? No, f*** him. Eddie believed he had an exclusive interview with a serial killer called the Sin-Eater. Spider-man...who'd never even heard of Eddie Brock at that point, discovered that Sin-Eater was actually somebody else, and stopped him. Brock was fired for getting the wrong guy and his life "ruined" or whatever. Frankly, I think the paper that Eddie worked for was more to blame for his problems than Peter was.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jul 5, 2010 8:45:13 GMT -5
Toxoplasmosis is a real disease that acts like the Venom Symbiont, namely, that it alters it's hosts behavior. So I suppose he could claim duress and insanity, but it depends on how much control he had over himself.
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Post by itputsthelotion on Jul 5, 2010 9:23:46 GMT -5
No
A villain should have better motivation than being a knucklehead with a grudge. And sometimes no motivation or back-story is even better because villains are really just plot devices to make the hero's journey or life more difficult.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Jul 5, 2010 11:35:52 GMT -5
Spider-man is a menace!
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Post by BHB on Jul 5, 2010 12:47:31 GMT -5
Wait, which continuity are we talking about? Because in the original comics, Brock was just some whiny jackass who was miffed that Spider-Man exposed who the real Sin-Eater was and as a result it got Eddie fired because he had posted a story suggesting it was someone else. The whole thing about Brock having frequent encounters and failures with Parker and Spider-Man (which every adaptation has followed) is entirely an invention of the 90s animated series. (Which also created the entire story of the symbiote making its host more aggressive) The animated series "Venom Saga" episodes are pretty much perfect IMO. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 5, 2010 13:55:13 GMT -5
Once you start wanting to eat your nemesis' brains, you've really gone beyond justifiable actions.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jul 5, 2010 14:40:14 GMT -5
Yes, Spiderman TAS Venom worked really well. Venom is one of those characters with hopelessly complicated orgins. They spent seven or eight episodes explaining what Eddie's beef with Spiderman and Parker was, and then spent two episodes explaining the Alien Suit's orgin, while basically keeping it true to the comics (as opposed to cancer research gone wrong.) The episode with Venom proper was very good, in that it became a series of mind games and trickery over "Maximum Carnage."The follow up suffered heavily from network censorship, but given the problems with adapting mass murderers to the small screen, worked out okay.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 5, 2010 14:41:54 GMT -5
Lets see what happens after he is fired...
* His father disowns him
* Working for sleazy tabloids
* Dying from cancer
* His wife leaves him because she cant stand to see him so depressed
Yeah.....that in all could cause a man to be irrational and go insane. Venom's hatred is not meant to be justisfied, but it is meant to be understandable.
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Post by Kevin's Thorn on Jul 5, 2010 17:09:28 GMT -5
Considering Eddie himself apologizes to Parker and Mary-Jane Watson for all the hell he's put them through over the years (in the Maximum Carnage crossovers), the answer is no.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 5, 2010 17:13:23 GMT -5
The newspaper says so, so it must be true! |
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jul 5, 2010 18:49:00 GMT -5
Lets see what happens after he is fired... * His father disowns him * Working for sleazy tabloids * Dying from cancer * His wife leaves him because she cant stand to see him so depressed Yeah.....that in all could cause a man to be irrational and go insane. Venom's hatred is not meant to be justisfied, but it is meant to be understandable. Yes, and that's something people tend to forget about villians. 1. Most of them are somewhat insane, as being subject to superscience has a tendency to cause (See "The Fly") and 2. Logical is not the same thing as moral, ie good. It is logical to kill one to save ten, and it is logical to steal bread to feed one's family, but that does not mean that the acts are moral. Logic also has to be valid, eg; IF Peter Parker unjustly wronged me, AND: It is right to avenge oneself when unjustly wronged THEN; Brock was just in quest for vengence against Peter Parker. Perfectly logical, except it's not valid. The facts behind both assumptions are wrong. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 6, 2010 8:23:08 GMT -5
hell no. I prefer MacVenom anyway. at least he admits he's a dickhead.
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