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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 13, 2010 11:16:39 GMT -5
I see she's been canceling concerts. I know the industry and economy are in bad shape, but she's the last person I thought would be having trouble.
Is her career suffering or is it just an odd case of a big star having poor ticket sales?
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Post by Bravo Echo November on Jul 13, 2010 11:19:33 GMT -5
Things change when Lady Gaga becomes the hot act.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 13, 2010 11:23:13 GMT -5
Things change when Lady Gaga becomes the hot act. I can understand Lady Gaga hurting Rihanna's market among people who just want to follow/book whoever the hottest female artist of the moment is, but I honestly don't see that there's that much overlap in what they actually do to see Gaga taking her entire audience. |
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Post by Cela on Jul 13, 2010 11:24:44 GMT -5
It is an odd cycle.
The Gaga replaces the Rihanna, the Bieber replaces the Jonas three. It is the circle of life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 11:33:41 GMT -5
It's not just Rihanna; several big-name acts are cancelling shows.
Tickets just cost too damn much and people can't afford to pay up.
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Post by Orange on Jul 13, 2010 11:45:18 GMT -5
I know that her latest album was a HUGE departure from her normal sound, but whether that has anything to do with it I don't know. The bad thing is is that, when the economy is down people start spending their money on things other than entertainment. I think once the economy picks back up we'll see less people cancelling shows, but it wouldn't hurt venues to lower ticket prices as well  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 12:04:18 GMT -5
I think once the economy picks back up we'll see less people cancelling shows, but it wouldn't hurt venues to lower ticket prices as well It's not just the venues that set prices; the artists have a say as well. For instance, P.O.D. won't play anywhere unless the tickets are $20 or lower a piece, fees not included. Obviously they're not a big name anymore, but hopefully my point comes across... |
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Post by Orange on Jul 13, 2010 12:18:48 GMT -5
I think once the economy picks back up we'll see less people cancelling shows, but it wouldn't hurt venues to lower ticket prices as well It's not just the venues that set prices; the artists have a say as well. For instance, P.O.D. won't play anywhere unless the tickets are $20 or lower a piece, fees not included. Obviously they're not a big name anymore, but hopefully my point comes across... Oh I didn't know that. Then yeah it's up to the artists to lower the prices as well. Too bad all artists can't do what P.O.D. does, there'd be less money to be made, but more people could attend. |
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Post by dsriggs on Jul 13, 2010 12:57:24 GMT -5
This is an industry which expects fines of over $33,000 per illegally-downloaded song, so I doubt ticket prices are going anywhere but up
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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 13, 2010 13:07:38 GMT -5
I went to 2 AC/DC concerts on their last tour and every seat, whether you were in the first row or nosebleed was $90.00. I am pretty sure it was like that at both shows.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jul 13, 2010 13:11:28 GMT -5
I blame high ticket prices on production values.
Unless it's a huge, established name, a lot of these acts have a ginormous stage show which will just drive up the ticket prices to cover costs.
Some of these artists will have to scale back on the theatrics and just rely on their music to carry them through. Because, after all.. I don't care who you are or what you do, if you're not selling yourself with your music first and foremost, you don't deserve to BE a big name.
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Post by Krimzon on Jul 13, 2010 13:22:25 GMT -5
Rated R went at least gold in every country with a record store. It's platinum in 6 countries. Nobody can fall off that far in under a year. It's just due to money being tight as hell. Nobody can afford concert tickets anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 13:33:58 GMT -5
Because, after all.. I don't care who you are or what you do, if you're not selling yourself with your music first and foremost, you don't deserve to BE a big name. I agree with this. The best concert I've ever been to was Mike Doughty, acoustic w/ accompaniment by his cellist, Andrew Livingston. Totally intimate too, inside a cowboy-theme restaurant in a tourist town northeast of Phoenix. Ticket was only $18. To top that off, it was what Mike calls the Question Jar show, where he places a jar in front of the stage and people write random questions on them. He does his best to answer them in between songs or when he needs to re-tune. His sound guy/manager Chuck was also recording the show and people could buy a copy for $20 after the show, with all proceeds going to their gas tank. I bought a copy and Mike signed it and I got a handshake. Should've asked for a high five. Oh well. Nothing can top that night for me. Nothing. I wish more people could be like Mr. Doughty and just completely strip everything down. But they won't. |
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Jul 13, 2010 13:56:40 GMT -5
It is an odd cycle. The Gaga replaces the Rihanna, the Bieber replaces the Jonas three. It is the circle of life. You know, Gaga I can live with (I guess...) but Bieber? Give me a Jonas Bros and Rihanna double act over him any day. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 13, 2010 15:12:51 GMT -5
It is an odd cycle. The Gaga replaces the Rihanna, the Bieber replaces the Jonas three. It is the circle of life. You know, Gaga I can live with (I guess...) but Bieber? Give me a Jonas Bros and Rihanna double act over him any day. Bieber is only popular cause it seems that even at 16 his balls haven't dropped yet. Once he loses his ability to sound like a 12 year old kid, he'll crash back down to Earth. Hell, it seems the company that found him is already preparing for when the Bieber bubble bursts, cause supposedly, they are doing what they did for Bieber to a 13 year old singer in Australia. |
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Post by Orange on Jul 13, 2010 15:21:45 GMT -5
You know, Gaga I can live with (I guess...) but Bieber? Give me a Jonas Bros and Rihanna double act over him any day. Bieber is only popular cause it seems that even at 16 his balls haven't dropped yet. Once he loses his ability to sound like a 12 year old kid, he'll crash back down to Earth. Hell, it seems the company that found him is already preparing for when the Bieber bubble bursts, cause supposedly, they are doing what they did for Bieber to a 13 year old singer in Australia. Ya know I really hate to hate on popular acts just to do it, but with Bieber.....there is no redeeming quality at all. I mean, at least The Jonas Brothers can play instruments, this Bieber kid does absolutely nothing. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 13, 2010 15:56:50 GMT -5
Bieber is only popular cause it seems that even at 16 his balls haven't dropped yet. Once he loses his ability to sound like a 12 year old kid, he'll crash back down to Earth. Hell, it seems the company that found him is already preparing for when the Bieber bubble bursts, cause supposedly, they are doing what they did for Bieber to a 13 year old singer in Australia. Ya know I really hate to hate on popular acts just to do it, but with Bieber.....there is no redeeming quality at all. I mean, at least The Jonas Brothers can play instruments, this Bieber kid does absolutely nothing. He's just some kid who put videos of him singing on YouTube..... |
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jul 13, 2010 15:58:42 GMT -5
Katy Perry and Keisha have overthrown Rihanna in that demo.
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Post by Thrillho on Jul 13, 2010 16:03:36 GMT -5
I blame high ticket prices on production values. Unless it's a huge, established name, a lot of these acts have a ginormous stage show which will just drive up the ticket prices to cover costs. Some of these artists will have to scale back on the theatrics and just rely on their music to carry them through. Because, after all.. I don't care who you are or what you do, if you're not selling yourself with your music first and foremost, you don't deserve to BE a big name. I would say the money goes more on musicians, paying the venue to pay the songwriters, and the arena staff, and to pay to cart an entire arena show up and down the country night in, night out. For example, if Rihanna's record label called me tomorrow, and asked me to play guitar on the UK leg of her tour, I'd probably be offered somewhere around £800 per show (approx 10 days), and around £500 for each day of rehearsal (4 days). That's £10,000, not including expenses. Then of course you mulitply that by from 15 to 50 for every musician (and drummer  ) on the tour. Probably the same for every dancer. Then the arena has to pay the Performing Rights Society (or whatever that country's equivelant is) per song. The label covers that. This all goes to the songwriter, whether that's the artist or someone else, it has to be paid. It's not a lot (A couple of hundred per night) but that adds up. |
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Post by The poster with no name on Jul 13, 2010 16:18:34 GMT -5
It is an odd cycle. The Gaga replaces the Rihanna, the Bieber replaces the Jonas three. It is the circle of life. |
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