Michael Cole "The biggest WM card in History"

[Legion]

Mar 23, 2010 15:03:54 GMT -5 Gus Richlen Was Wrong said:

Mar 23, 2010 12:27:59 GMT -5 Marvelously Mediocre said:

Really? the worst?

I answered yes because there is not one match on this carde I don't want to see. Even Wrestlemania 17 which IMO is the best wrestling show ever had that redundant six man tag.

Fair enough if you don't like it but how is it possibly the worst?

last year, taker/hbk sucked. now they are doing it again. you do the math about sequels.

no divas match.

overloaded MITB.

sheamus vs. HHH, and a lot of you guys can't stand either man.

same with cena batista.

everyone knows edge will win his match.

punk/rey might be good. MIGHT.

bathroombreak-quality tag match and triple threat.

the only thing i would even be remotely interested in is bret vs. vince, and i can't bring myself to watch that. "leave the memories alone," indeed.

When you said HBK/Undertaker sucked, I almost stopped reading. That match had pretty much everything you could want from a match? How can you possibly say it sucked? Even if we consider 'different strokes' and all that, I literally want to know what about that match made you think it sucked?

No Divas..........so? The most exciting divas fued going is Beth and Vickie, that could hardly have had a WM match.

I hate this idea that the MitB is overloaded. It's a ladder match, it isnt meant to be anything technical. We'll get some cool spots to gasp at, and some very odd mid and lower carders who wouldnt usually get to show up to the event get some time in the spotlight. I like that there are so many people, it'll mean something might be different to every other MitB match.

I'll give you Sheamus/HHHunter, the builds done nothing to make me care.

The build for Cena/Batista has been very good. Batista is now a credible and believable heel and left me actually not sure Cena will overcome the odds.

I think Edge winning is almost too expected, I'm expecting some kind of swerve. Might not happen, but I shall watch the whole match excited to see, and I personally hate Jericho, so seeing him lose will make my evening.

Punk/Rey wont be good, as Rey can hit about the same 3 moves over and over because his knees are shot. The only good thing here is that if he loses, it'll be great to see the Mexican Midget be Punk's bitch. I'm hoping this match opens the show as it'll either be a disappointment to get over easily or a great way to start my viewing.

If you consider the break up of Legacy triple threat a bathroom break, I have to ask, have you actually been watching for the past year? This has been building forever and, hopefully, will lead to Legacy getting a fued against each other and moving away from Orton. It's the end of, and start of, a long storyline.

The tag match has had awful build, I'll give you that, but again, it's a chance for some people to get on the card, and will likely be a decent match. They could have done more, but again, it's hardly a bathroom break as it features some of the more over stars outside the main mainevent WWE has.

I wonder some times if people just like to hate on things solely because it's trendy to do so, rather than actually just chilling out and looking forward to the biggest show of the year.

[Gus Richlen Was Wrong]

Mar 23, 2010 15:44:23 GMT -5 Legion said:

Mar 23, 2010 15:03:54 GMT -5 Gus Richlen Was Wrong said:

last year, taker/hbk sucked. now they are doing it again. you do the math about sequels.

no divas match.

overloaded MITB.

sheamus vs. HHH, and a lot of you guys can't stand either man.

same with cena batista.

everyone knows edge will win his match.

punk/rey might be good. MIGHT.

bathroombreak-quality tag match and triple threat.

the only thing i would even be remotely interested in is bret vs. vince, and i can't bring myself to watch that. "leave the memories alone," indeed.

When you said HBK/Undertaker sucked, I almost stopped reading. That match had pretty much everything you could want from a match? How can you possibly say it sucked? Even if we consider 'different strokes' and all that, I literally want to know what about that match made you think it sucked?

No Divas..........so? The most exciting divas fued going is Beth and Vickie, that could hardly have had a WM match.

I hate this idea that the MitB is overloaded. It's a ladder match, it isnt meant to be anything technical. We'll get some cool spots to gasp at, and some very odd mid and lower carders who wouldnt usually get to show up to the event get some time in the spotlight. I like that there are so many people, it'll mean something might be different to every other MitB match.

I'll give you Sheamus/HHHunter, the builds done nothing to make me care.

The build for Cena/Batista has been very good. Batista is now a credible and believable heel and left me actually not sure Cena will overcome the odds.

I think Edge winning is almost too expected, I'm expecting some kind of swerve. Might not happen, but I shall watch the whole match excited to see, and I personally hate Jericho, so seeing him lose will make my evening.

Punk/Rey wont be good, as Rey can hit about the same 3 moves over and over because his knees are shot. The only good thing here is that if he loses, it'll be great to see the Mexican Midget be Punk's bitch. I'm hoping this match opens the show as it'll either be a disappointment to get over easily or a great way to start my viewing.

If you consider the break up of Legacy triple threat a bathroom break, I have to ask, have you actually been watching for the past year? This has been building forever and, hopefully, will lead to Legacy getting a fued against each other and moving away from Orton. It's the end of, and start of, a long storyline.

The tag match has had awful build, I'll give you that, but again, it's a chance for some people to get on the card, and will likely be a decent match. They could have done more, but again, it's hardly a bathroom break as it features some of the more over stars outside the main mainevent WWE has.

I wonder some times if people just like to hate on things solely because it's trendy to do so, rather than actually just chilling out and looking forward to the biggest show of the year.

ok, first off, the last thing i meant to do is start a fight over a damn wrestling anything.

taker/hbk was botch after botch after botch after botch after botch after botch after botch after botch, etc., etc. i fail to see how it will be much better, considering we all know who will win. i'll be more interested in who ends up #19.

admittedly, the divas match would be better if it was simply mickie/mccool. i'll give you that. but any divas match has to be better than last year.

thanks for agreeing over sheamus/hhh.

ten people in mitb is way too much. mcintyre doesn't deserve to be there, and neither does swagger under any circumstances, though my feelings about him are not very relevant. this is your standard "here's the leftovers, what should we do with them?" scenario. i wouldn't have been able to say that for 23 and 24.

nobody here seems to like cena or batista, that's why i said what i did, though i will grant your point.

i grant you edge/jericho cuz you unwittingly made my point.

orton is almost certainly going to win and out of the whole snoozefest, dibiase will most likely turn face and rhodes will stick with orton and remain heel.

punk/mysterio would have been better if it was a true luchas de apestas match. punk has hinted that he wants to lose anyway.

the only way the tag match will even be remotely fascinatiing is if bryan dan.... er, i mean daniel bryan costs big show and miz the titles. the fact that miz even is in this match is enough to make me not care a damn.

like i said, sadly, the only good match is between bret and vince. and considering the shape both men are in i don't know if i can even say that.

all this being said, i hope wrestlemania surprises me this year, and in a good way. last year i thought it would be great, and it turned out to be almost as bad as Victory Road. that's why i'm not looking forward to this year. the bad taste hasn't left my mouth yet.

ok, i'm done ranting.

[tehoh1]

Of course it's not the biggest WrestleMania ever.

Everyone knows that nothing from today can be bigger/better than anything before it.

[wrestlecrapcrap]

This just shows that people will always view something that they watched younger in wrestling with more fondness than they would something that is currently going on.

I think this is the biggest. Reason being, right the way through the card, every single match has the biggest stars all fused together with logical storylines that have been given a perfect slow build. Yes, Cena and Batista aren't as mainstream as Austin or Rock, but in the wrestling world, they are. They are the two top current guys. So in the wrestling world, it is the biggest. They simply could not have put bigger stars on this card, because they are all there.

Cena/Batista, HBK/Taker, Edge/Jericho, Bret/Vince, Orton/Rhodes/Dibiase, Rey/Punk. They all have long storylines that are coming to a head. They have not been thrown together, and almost everything has gone off as planned. Besdies, the stories have been brilliant too.

The only two that seemed to be thrown together in order to get stars on the card are HHH/Sheamus and MizShow/MorriTruth. But even then, HHH eliminated Sheamus from the Chamber, losing him his first world title, and now Sheamus has decided to prove he deserves his spot by beating the guy to beat at Wrestlemania. The way they've booked HHH at Mania means only the best stars beat him, so this will certainly be interesting to see if Sheamus can do it, or if he was just a flash in the pan. As for the tag match, Morrison and Miz have a built in rivalry based on their past relationship, so even that has got some sort of storyline coming to a head.

Then there's MITB. Doesn't matter if there's 6 or 10 guys. It's a spot fest. They booked the Rumble this year like a spot fest, and it was great. They showcased every guy, some for longer than others obviously, but it told a story and was entertaining. If means 10 guys get to be showcased and get noticed, then great.

I really don't think they could have done a better card. It's stacked right the way through, with huge matches, dream matches, matches you didn't think would happen, and just plain good story lines reaching their peak. I'll freely admit 25 had some thrown together matches, so did 24, so did 23, so did 22, etc. This one though, I truly believe has been booked nearly as perfectly as it could get.

[legendary616]

I would say it will be one of the top twenty of all time

[bamblink]

cole is bias to wwe

[spagett]

Mar 23, 2010 17:39:12 GMT -5 wrestlecrapcrap said:

This just shows that people will always view something that they watched younger in wrestling with more fondness than they would something that is currently going on.

I think this is the biggest. Reason being, right the way through the card, every single match has the biggest stars all fused together with logical storylines that have been given a perfect slow build. Yes, Cena and Batista aren't as mainstream as Austin or Rock, but in the wrestling world, they are. They are the two top current guys. So in the wrestling world, it is the biggest. They simply could not have put bigger stars on this card, because they are all there.

Cena/Batista, HBK/Taker, Edge/Jericho, Bret/Vince, Orton/Rhodes/Dibiase, Rey/Punk. They all have long storylines that are coming to a head. They have not been thrown together, and almost everything has gone off as planned. Besdies, the stories have been brilliant too.

The only two that seemed to be thrown together in order to get stars on the card are HHH/Sheamus and MizShow/MorriTruth. But even then, HHH eliminated Sheamus from the Chamber, losing him his first world title, and now Sheamus has decided to prove he deserves his spot by beating the guy to beat at Wrestlemania. The way they've booked HHH at Mania means only the best stars beat him, so this will certainly be interesting to see if Sheamus can do it, or if he was just a flash in the pan. As for the tag match, Morrison and Miz have a built in rivalry based on their past relationship, so even that has got some sort of storyline coming to a head.

Then there's MITB. Doesn't matter if there's 6 or 10 guys. It's a spot fest. They booked the Rumble this year like a spot fest, and it was great. They showcased every guy, some for longer than others obviously, but it told a story and was entertaining. If means 10 guys get to be showcased and get noticed, then great.

I really don't think they could have done a better card. It's stacked right the way through, with huge matches, dream matches, matches you didn't think would happen, and just plain good story lines reaching their peak. I'll freely admit 25 had some thrown together matches, so did 24, so did 23, so did 22, etc. This one though, I truly believe has been booked nearly as perfectly as it could get.

You can't argue that in terms of wrestling Cena and Batista are just as big as Rock and Austin because it just isn't true.

Yes they are the 2 biggest stars of this era but it is an era that is much less successful and less popular than the era of Rock/Austin. Therefore how can Batista/Cena be bigger that Rock/Austin?

Like I said though I really think that the build this year has been really good, great even. This is the first Wrestlemania I have looked forward to since 21 and I actually think this has the potential to be the best Wrestlemania since 17 which is high praise indeed.

When you think of the mess that was Wrestlemania 25 in almost every aspect bar Taker/HBK I think the WWE has worked doubly hard to make a great show and I think they have been doing a brilliant job.

Everything this Wrestlemania seems to be more important.

[BRV]

Is it the biggest right here and now? No, but there are so many variables as to why that is.

1. WWE and their need to call everything "the biggest", "the best" or "the most important". Every year, they refer to that year's Royal Rumble as "the most star-studded Rumble in history", knowing full well that it's not true. However, it's a way to hype the event and sell it to people who are on the fence in regards to purchasing the pay-per-view.

2. We live in the age of hyperbole. Everything that happens in our world today is of monumental importance. The Giants beat the Patriots in Super Bowl XLII? Biggest upset in sports history. Michael Jackson suddenly passes away? Most stunning death of all time. Taylor Swift sells out Madison Square Garden in five minutes? Biggest country star in music history. "Avatar"? Best movie ever. It's not just the WWE. It's the age we live in, where everything is happening now and being covered from a million different angles. So don't blame the WWE for falling into the same traps that we all fall into ourselves.

3. It's hard to tell where the current stars will be in a decade or two. At WrestleMania III, who knew Ricky Steamboat or Randy Savage would be multi-time world champions? During WrestleMania VIII, did anyone in attendance believe that Bret Hart's career would surpass Roddy Piper's? At WrestleMania XIII, who expected Rocky Maivia to become one of the most transcendent wrestlers of his generation? Who knows in ten years where Sheamus, Ted DiBiase, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler or Jack Swagger will be? They could be puttering around independent circuits just as easily as they could all be world champions.

We can't right now say that it's the biggest card in WrestleMania's history. Five years down the road, we'll know for sure. And while we get all excited and thoroughly debate what Michael Cole said, remember, it was about a month ago when he said that Bret Hart getting his leg supposedly crushed in a car door was "the worst night of his life." The man is being fed line upon line of pure hyperbole, and it's not our job to take it all as honest-to-goodness truth.

[Bub (BLM)]

Mar 22, 2010 21:49:11 GMT -5 Gus Richlen Was Wrong said:

more like the worst. this threatens to make 9, 22, and 25 look watchable.

I really don't see how this year's WrestleMania can look nearly as bad as those three on paper. I honestly think WrestleMania 26 has the best card since WrestleMania 17.

[perpetualn00b]

Mar 23, 2010 18:27:20 GMT -5 BRV said:

I The Giants beat the Patriots in Super Bowl XLII? Biggest upset in sports history.

To be fair, I think this has a legit shot at being true.

[livetowin]

Mar 23, 2010 18:27:20 GMT -5 BRV said:

Is it the biggest right here and now? No, but there are so many variables as to why that is.

1. WWE and their need to call everything "the biggest", "the best" or "the most important". Every year, they refer to that year's Royal Rumble as "the most star-studded Rumble in history", knowing full well that it's not true. However, it's a way to hype the event and sell it to people who are on the fence in regards to purchasing the pay-per-view.

2. We live in the age of hyperbole. Everything that happens in our world today is of monumental importance. The Giants beat the Patriots in Super Bowl XLII? Biggest upset in sports history. Michael Jackson suddenly passes away? Most stunning death of all time. Taylor Swift sells out Madison Square Garden in five minutes? Biggest country star in music history. "Avatar"? Best movie ever. It's not just the WWE. It's the age we live in, where everything is happening now and being covered from a million different angles. So don't blame the WWE for falling into the same traps that we all fall into ourselves.

3. It's hard to tell where the current stars will be in a decade or two. At WrestleMania III, who knew Ricky Steamboat or Randy Savage would be multi-time world champions? During WrestleMania VIII, did anyone in attendance believe that Bret Hart's career would surpass Roddy Piper's? At WrestleMania XIII, who expected Rocky Maivia to become one of the most transcendent wrestlers of his generation? Who knows in ten years where Sheamus, Ted DiBiase, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler or Jack Swagger will be? They could be puttering around independent circuits just as easily as they could all be world champions.

We can't right now say that it's the biggest card in WrestleMania's history. Five years down the road, we'll know for sure. And while we get all excited and thoroughly debate what Michael Cole said, remember, it was about a month ago when he said that Bret Hart getting his leg supposedly crushed in a car door was "the worst night of his life." The man is being fed line upon line of pure hyperbole, and it's not our job to take it all as honest-to-goodness truth.

[Krimzon]

I really don't see what people see in this particular Wrestlemania. The build has been fairly meh. WM X-7 & 19 top it in terms of the card.

[xxshoyuweeniexx]

Is the card stacked? Yeah.

Will it be good is another story. WM 25 was single handedly saved by HBK/Taker, it could be the same as last year, worse, or better. We have no way of knowing that for sure unless you can see the future.

[SEAN CARLESS]

Mar 23, 2010 17:39:12 GMT -5 wrestlecrapcrap said:

This just shows that people will always view something that they watched younger in wrestling with more fondness than they would something that is currently going on.

It goes both ways. At the same time, young people with no sense or full scope of historical reference often tend to be partisan toward their own generation and the limited bubbles they live in if only out of familiarity and ignorance. I honestly don’t think that someone who wasn’t even alive during most of the Wrestlemania’s can give an unbiased and legitimate opinion on the matter if only for the reason that they were not privy to nuances, builds and moments that only the people who lived firsthand through those moments were. You can't judge a full gamut of history if you never lived through it.

[MichaelMartini]

Manias X8 - 20 were the most stacked. You had almost all the big names from the 80's, 90s and present, from all the big three promotions. Hogan, Flair, Austin, Rock, Foley, Nash, Hall, RVD, Angle, etc. Any mania with these guys missing can't possibly be the most stacked.

I'd say it's the most stacked since WM20 though.

[slickster]

Mar 23, 2010 18:26:18 GMT -5 spagett said:

Mar 23, 2010 17:39:12 GMT -5 wrestlecrapcrap said:

This just shows that people will always view something that they watched younger in wrestling with more fondness than they would something that is currently going on.

I think this is the biggest. Reason being, right the way through the card, every single match has the biggest stars all fused together with logical storylines that have been given a perfect slow build. Yes, Cena and Batista aren't as mainstream as Austin or Rock, but in the wrestling world, they are. They are the two top current guys. So in the wrestling world, it is the biggest. They simply could not have put bigger stars on this card, because they are all there.

Cena/Batista, HBK/Taker, Edge/Jericho, Bret/Vince, Orton/Rhodes/Dibiase, Rey/Punk. They all have long storylines that are coming to a head. They have not been thrown together, and almost everything has gone off as planned. Besdies, the stories have been brilliant too.

The only two that seemed to be thrown together in order to get stars on the card are HHH/Sheamus and MizShow/MorriTruth. But even then, HHH eliminated Sheamus from the Chamber, losing him his first world title, and now Sheamus has decided to prove he deserves his spot by beating the guy to beat at Wrestlemania. The way they've booked HHH at Mania means only the best stars beat him, so this will certainly be interesting to see if Sheamus can do it, or if he was just a flash in the pan. As for the tag match, Morrison and Miz have a built in rivalry based on their past relationship, so even that has got some sort of storyline coming to a head.

Then there's MITB. Doesn't matter if there's 6 or 10 guys. It's a spot fest. They booked the Rumble this year like a spot fest, and it was great. They showcased every guy, some for longer than others obviously, but it told a story and was entertaining. If means 10 guys get to be showcased and get noticed, then great.

I really don't think they could have done a better card. It's stacked right the way through, with huge matches, dream matches, matches you didn't think would happen, and just plain good story lines reaching their peak. I'll freely admit 25 had some thrown together matches, so did 24, so did 23, so did 22, etc. This one though, I truly believe has been booked nearly as perfectly as it could get.

You can't argue that in terms of wrestling Cena and Batista are just as big as Rock and Austin because it just isn't true.

Yes they are the 2 biggest stars of this era but it is an era that is much less successful and less popular than the era of Rock/Austin. Therefore how can Batista/Cena be bigger that Rock/Austin?

In kayfabe, Cena and Batista have accomplished as much or more than Rock and Austin did. They are the top two guys the company has right now. What they do or do not do outside the business is irrelevant. It's about how well the card has been built and presented before the event itself.

I personally think that all the 'My Way' packages in the world can't hide the fact that attempting to include Debra in the buildup to the match took away from the hype to a degree. Luckily, they were able to recover and change that decision with a week or so before the PPV. With Cena-Batista WWE has not added any unnecessary extra stuff to the build: it's two guys who dislike each other, plain and simple.

[Kris Kobain]

No way

WM VI is fulll of guys that are in the upper 200 lbs range and higher.
That had to be the biggest WM ever.