Was Santino's IC title win the final blow ?

[arthuradams2002]

In kayfabe, Santino was booked as a fan from the audience, who has no wrestling experience. I think back to all the days when the IC title was build around guys with a reputation of technical experience, like Bret, Hennig, Shawn and Hunter. Even though "Santino" is a decent wrestler, it was just really crappy how they booked him as champ. He got the crap beat out of him the whole time without getting any offensive move on Umaga. Then at the end, Lashley beats up Umaga and has Santino cover him. So then, the prestigious IC has been reduced to, "We have a new Intercontinental champion, and he is just some random guy from the stands." For there, the belt lost any credibility it had left.

[Greer]

Mar 30, 2010 1:07:13 GMT -5 arthuradams2002 said:

In kayfabe, Santino was booked as a fan from the audience, who has no wrestling experience. I think back to all the days when the IC title was build around guys with a reputation of technical experience, like Bret, Hennig, Shawn and Hunter. Even though "Santino" is a decent wrestler, it was just really crappy how they booked him as champ. He got the crap beat out of him the whole time without getting any offensive move on Umaga. Then at the end, Lashley beats up Umaga and has Santino cover him. So then, the prestigious IC has been reduced to, "We have a new Intercontinental champion, and he is just some random guy from the stands." For there, the belt lost any credibility it had left.

This is the same belt that was held previously by The Godfather, Chyna, Val Venis, Billy Gunn and Road Dogg.

[arthuradams2002]

Billy Gunn was at one time the best pure athlete in the WWF.

[Greer]

Mar 30, 2010 1:14:19 GMT -5 arthuradams2002 said:

Billy Gunn was at one time the best pure athlete in the WWF.

[rnrk supports BLM]

Oddly enough, that's almost exactly what I thought when Rocky Maivia first won the IC title.

As it stands, Santino's later, Glamarella-era reign is one of the best angles they've done with the belt in the last several years. Easily.

[wcw]

The IC title is what it is since 1998/1999ish the IC title has lost its luster. It was a real accomplishment to hold that title and it meant a lot to have it. Getting the title often times meant a big push (Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Stone Cold, Triple H, The Rock, among others) or at least an established place at the mid card (Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith, and Kurt Henning among others).

But they really hot potatoed it around 1999 from guys like Val Venis, The Godfather, Chyna, and the Road Dogg. Then they had a nice reestablishing run where guys like Jericho, Angle, and Benoit had nice runs with it.

But once again the title seemed to get lost in the shuffle when the Invasion was brought on board. After the Invasion the title lost its meaning and simply became a stepping stone or place holder title.

[chazraps]

Nobody thinks the tournament last year restored some credibility? Or that the Smackdown feuds OVER the belt made it seem important?

[i.Sarita.com]

The title lost any credibility it had with me when Kane got beat by HHH and it was retired. Only to be returned again.

[Mozenrath]

Not really. It's fluctuated in importance for years. Was the IC champion the Number 2 Champ when Honky Tonk Man held it?

[Nic Nemeth]

I think when Ziggler wouldn't stop challenging for it, it made the belt seem a lot more important in a way.

[Mozenrath]

Mar 30, 2010 2:52:01 GMT -5 Nic Nemeth said:

I think when Ziggler wouldn't stop challenging for it, it made the belt seem a lot more important in a way.

It did, but as much as I hate to say it, as I do like the guy, Morrison was a very boring champion.

[jamielowndes {N}]

Mar 30, 2010 1:18:23 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

Oddly enough, that's almost exactly what I thought when Rocky Maivia first won the IC title.

As it stands, Santino's later, Glamarella-era reign is one of the best angles they've done with the belt in the last several years. Easily.

BRING OUT THE HONK-A-METER!!!

[Mozenrath]

Mar 30, 2010 1:17:22 GMT -5 Greer said:

Mar 30, 2010 1:14:19 GMT -5 arthuradams2002 said:

Billy Gunn was at one time the best pure athlete in the WWF.

It does sound weird, but that's actually pretty accurate. Maybe not THE best pure athlete, but he was certainly one of them.

[Can you afford to pay me, Gah]

Mar 30, 2010 2:36:33 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Not really. It's fluctuated in importance for years. Was the IC champion the Number 2 Champ when Honky Tonk Man held it?

Yes it was because there was no other singles belts.

[Mozenrath]

Mar 30, 2010 7:29:21 GMT -5 Can you afford to pay me, Gah said:

Mar 30, 2010 2:36:33 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Not really. It's fluctuated in importance for years. Was the IC champion the Number 2 Champ when Honky Tonk Man held it?

Yes it was because there was no other singles belts.

I probably should of put "Number 2 Guy", sorry.

[bubbles]

I don't even know who the current champion is but I liked when Rey and Jericho feuded over it.

[xxshoyuweeniexx]

Mar 30, 2010 9:43:24 GMT -5 @bubbles said:

I don't even know who the current champion is but I liked when Rey and Jericho feuded over it.

Yeah, that really brought the credibility back to the title. Even the first 2 Ziggler attemps didn't ruin it.

But then he challenged for it again, and again, and again, and again. No one else seemed to care, while this guy was getting unlimited title shots. If Rey hadn't refused to put the guy over for whatever reason, then maybe if would have kept that cred.

But no, after Morrison beat Rey, it was just for him to have a belt. And then McIntyre won it and it's just to give him a belt while no one gives a crap at the same time.

[Threadkiller [Classic]]

Mar 30, 2010 1:17:22 GMT -5 Greer said:

Mar 30, 2010 1:14:19 GMT -5 arthuradams2002 said:

Billy Gunn was at one time the best pure athlete in the WWF.

[DSR]

Mar 30, 2010 9:57:48 GMT -5 xxshoyuweeniexx said:

Mar 30, 2010 9:43:24 GMT -5 @bubbles said:

I don't even know who the current champion is but I liked when Rey and Jericho feuded over it.

Yeah, that really brought the credibility back to the title. Even the first 2 Ziggler attemps didn't ruin it.

But then he challenged for it again, and again, and again, and again. No one else seemed to care, while this guy was getting unlimited title shots. If Rey hadn't refused to put the guy over for whatever reason, then maybe if would have kept that cred.

But no, after Morrison beat Rey, it was just for him to have a belt. And then McIntyre won it and it's just to give him a belt while no one gives a crap at the same time.

Well, its not like they just gave him title shots. He won several "number one contender" matches in order to get those shots.

But I do think they should've either a.) put the belt on him after a couple tries or b) when they put the belt on Morrison, have JoMo defend it against OTHER PEOPLE from time to time.

[chunkylover53]

Mar 30, 2010 1:33:12 GMT -5 @wcw said:

The IC title is what it is since 1998/1999ish the IC title has lost its luster. It was a real accomplishment to hold that title and it meant a lot to have it. Getting the title often times meant a big push (Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Stone Cold, Triple H, The Rock, among others) or at least an established place at the mid card (Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith, and Kurt Henning among others).

But they really hot potatoed it around 1999 from guys like Val Venis, The Godfather, Chyna, and the Road Dogg. Then they had a nice reestablishing run where guys like Jericho, Angle, and Benoit had nice runs with it.

While the IC belt was indeed hot potatoed in 1999, at least it was given attention to, unlike today. Plus, people who held it were over. The last time the IC title had any sort of credibility was when Randy Orton held it.