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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 31, 2010 9:50:56 GMT -5
I was thinking about this earlier and I've come to the conclusion that WWE has been intentionally screwing with the fans for the better part of a dacade.
WWE finally gets Bret to agree to work again after years of offers, and instead of giving the fans what they were hoping for (some sort of DX/Bret/Dynasty/Vince feud) they went with the less exciting route of Vince/Bret. Still, this would have been perfectly suitable if it had been booked with any sense. The video package before the WM match did a good job of making the weak build-up actually look dramatic, but the booking of the match itself ruined it. The fans still love and respect Bret, so we won't boo...but now we'll probably shut up about the screwjob and any future Bret returns.
They did nearly the same thing with ECW, but on a bigger scale. The way they originally handled it was fantastic. From the Rise & Fall of ECW DVD to One Night Stand 06. They really did a good job with re-introducing ECW, they went so far as to make ECW a third WWE brand. It sounded like a great idea....until we watched the first episode of ECW. Still, even then we could've never predicted how crappy the ONE ppv ended up being. People were very vocal about hating the new ECW, so they kept it going for 3 years. Now that it's over, all the OG ECW talent has been damaged, the OG ECW has been damaged, and the fans have shut the hell up. No more "ECW" chants.
I'd like to point out that I think WWE has a very creative way of burying people without it being obvious to the viewer. I think WWE successfully buried Bret Hart and ECW, at least in the eyes of the adult fans. Look at all the things they've done that seemingly everybody wanted to see. The Invasion, the return of ECW, the return of DX, Austin/Goldberg interaction, and most recently the return of Bret Hart. NONE of it was anything like what the fans were dreaming of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2010 9:54:18 GMT -5
WWE is not screwing with us - they're trying to help us get over the past.
LIVE IN THE NOW!
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 31, 2010 9:55:21 GMT -5
WWE is not screwing with us - they're trying to help us get over the past. LIVE IN THE NOW! WWE NEEDS TO LEAVE MY MEMORIES ALONE BECAUSE THE NOW KINDA SUCKS... for real |
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 31, 2010 9:58:06 GMT -5
WWE is not screwing with us - they're trying to help us get over the past. LIVE IN THE NOW! IN THE WWE UNIVERSE!!! No, they're not screwing with us. Bret wanted to make peace and some money, that's the main drive of things, and he did. ECW...well, ECW was just the WWE believing what their ECW should be, and that it wouldn't survive without their wrestlers being on and dominating the show. You probably have every right to be paranoid, but there's well-established circumstances at work in these 2 examples. |
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 31, 2010 10:05:25 GMT -5
WWE is not screwing with us - they're trying to help us get over the past. LIVE IN THE NOW! IN THE WWE UNIVERSE!!! No, they're not screwing with us. Bret wanted to make peace and some money, that's the main drive of things, and he did. ECW...well, ECW was just the WWE believing what their ECW should be, and that it wouldn't survive without their wrestlers being on and dominating the show. You probably have every right to be paranoid, but there's well-established circumstances at work in these 2 examples. So...they're just screwing up? I just don't know. I mean...WWE is kinda run like a communist country or something. They meticulously script and control everything, and really don't leave anything up to chance. The mere fact that we know that much is enough to justify the idea that they have some guys in one of their offices reading things written by the fans. They know exactly what we want. They just give us something different for whatever reason. THEY HATE THE WORD WRESTLING BUT THE BIGGEST PPV OF THE YEAR IS WRESTLEMANIA!! THEY HATE US SO MUCH THAT THEY EVEN GAVE US A STUPID NAME! ARGH |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2010 10:32:10 GMT -5
I think its a matter of personal preference.
I think the idea that any one person has any clue at all what "the fans have been dreaming of" is more ridiculous than anything else.
WWE saw that "extreme" wrestling would no longer make them money so they stopped doing it. Blood and tawdry storylines are out, TNA's .56 should show that
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Post by moonlight on Mar 31, 2010 10:54:47 GMT -5
They need to do a scene like the one between Rocky Balboa and Apollo Creed, where they meet in private to go at it one more time......Ding Ding.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Mar 31, 2010 11:18:17 GMT -5
I think its a matter of personal preference. I think the idea that any one person has any clue at all what "the fans have been dreaming of" is more ridiculous than anything else. WWE saw that "extreme" wrestling would no longer make them money so they stopped doing it. Blood and tawdry storylines are out, TNA's .56 should show that Tawdry? Is that you, Vince? |
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 31, 2010 11:57:24 GMT -5
I think its a matter of personal preference. I think the idea that any one person has any clue at all what "the fans have been dreaming of" is more ridiculous than anything else. WWE saw that "extreme" wrestling would no longer make them money so they stopped doing it. Blood and tawdry storylines are out, TNA's .56 should show that I feel confident in saying that the fans were hoping for stuff like the WCW Invasion, the ECW return, the Bret Hart return, etc, because I was a fan during those times and the vast majority of wrestling fans that I knew in real life and on message boards felt the same way. It's just like how I'm pretty sure the majority of fans wish The Rock would come back. Some don't, but most do.. Of course knowing WWE they'd bring him back and put him in a match with Vince. And WWE's not doing better than TNA because they've banned profanity, blood, and chair shots to the head. WWE's doing better than TNA because they've got decades of history on their side and TNA books their shows completely random. TNA also focuses too much on old names. The problem is that most old names that are worth anything would get an offer from WWE before. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 31, 2010 12:10:41 GMT -5
I feel confident in saying that the fans were hoping for stuff like the WCW Invasion, the ECW return, the Bret Hart return, etc, because I was a fan during those times and the vast majority of wrestling fans that I knew in real life and on message boards felt the same way. It's just like how I'm pretty sure the majority of fans wish The Rock would come back. Some don't, but most do.. Of course knowing WWE they'd bring him back and put him in a match with Vince. And WWE's not doing better than TNA because they've banned profanity, blood, and chair shots to the head. WWE's doing better than TNA because they've got decades of history on their side and TNA books their shows completely random. TNA also focuses too much on old names. The problem is that most old names that are worth anything would get an offer from WWE before. I'd say TNA's decision to open their show with a 60+ year old man cutting himself open is just as unappealing as Little People's Court was. The thing about blood is, its good for big matches (which WWE has sadly forgotten), but if you overuse it its pretty meaningless. Besides, TNA is only "adult" in the sense that it appeals to older teens, its not the good kind of "adult" that things like Mad Men and Shutter Island are. Endless cheesecake with no payoff and blading has lost its ability to command an audience. |
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Mar 31, 2010 12:11:19 GMT -5
I think its a matter of personal preference. I think the idea that any one person has any clue at all what "the fans have been dreaming of" is more ridiculous than anything else. WWE saw that "extreme" wrestling would no longer make them money so they stopped doing it. Blood and tawdry storylines are out, TNA's .56 should show that I feel confident in saying that the fans were hoping for stuff like the WCW Invasion, the ECW return, the Bret Hart return, etc, because I was a fan during those times and the vast majority of wrestling fans that I knew in real life and on message boards felt the same way. It's just like how I'm pretty sure the majority of fans wish The Rock would come back. Some don't, but most do.. Of course knowing WWE they'd bring him back and put him in a match with Vince. And WWE's not doing better than TNA because they've banned profanity, blood, and chair shots to the head. WWE's doing better than TNA because they've got decades of history on their side and TNA books their shows completely random. TNA also focuses too much on old names. The problem is that most old names that are worth anything would get an offer from WWE before. You got a Bret Hart return. What exactly was wrong with it? It was perfectly logical, but had enough twists and turns, and the fans got a deserved pay off at the end. The match with Vince happened because people wanted to see Vince get his comeuppance. I see nothing to suggest they'd put Rock in a match with Vince. That's just being negative for the sake of negative. ECW was used as it always was back in the day. A proving ground for younger talent to earn their way onto one of the big two rosters, while older guys could go there to reinvent themselves. But it didn't have blood or thumb tacks, how terrible. The WCW we saw in WWE was a severely watered down version because of the contract situation of the big names. I would not have wanted Booker T going over The Rock, DDP going over Austin or...who else did they get that was even close to being something of a big name? They did what they had to do to make it look even, and that was move some WWE guys over to the Alliance side. Seriously there was a reason that for about 2 years the majority of fans chose to watch Austin, Rock, Angle, Taker and Kane and not Booker T, DDP and Steiner, therefore the logic in claiming that the WCW guys they did manage to sign should just be made to look equal to guys they clearly weren't able to measure up to is ridiculous. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 31, 2010 12:15:44 GMT -5
I like the stuff aimed at the older fans LESS than most of the stuff aimed at getting a bigger audience (international talent, NXT, the rise of Punk). I could have lived my whole life without seeing that pointless Bret return.
We, the Attitude fans, are becoming a periphery demographic. There's nothing wrong with it, we just have to accept that a good chunk of the programming isn't focused on us anymore. Why should it, since we'll probably tune in anyway?
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