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Post by Orange on Apr 6, 2010 1:39:05 GMT -5
And once some time passes, will he still be hated by smarks or will he be remembered fondly like The Rock & Hogan (to an extent)? I think that eventually people will look back on his matches and realize that maybe he wasn't all that bad.
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Post by The Tank on Apr 6, 2010 1:48:50 GMT -5
When John Cena retires, Vince McMahon will shut down the company because no one will be able to match up to his "legacy".
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Post by ultimatekennedy on Apr 6, 2010 1:49:45 GMT -5
I don't think I ever HATED Cena, so much as I got tired of seeing him. As juvenile as this sounds, when he made poop and sex jokes all the time back in 03 to 05, at least he was kinda funny.
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Post by Free Hat on Apr 6, 2010 1:52:35 GMT -5
I'm 22 years old, so it's not like I'm just too young to appreciate his "greatness." If I don't find him entertaining today, I don't see why I would 10 or 15 years from now.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Apr 6, 2010 2:00:59 GMT -5
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Post by ultimatekennedy on Apr 6, 2010 2:03:54 GMT -5
I'm 22 years old, so it's not like I'm just too young to appreciate his "greatness." If I don't find him entertaining today, I don't see why I would 10 or 15 years from now. It's the law of SNL, whats funny now isn't until down the line something worse takes it's place and what isn't funny now is only funny by comparison to the current product. Replace funny with "entertaining wrestler" and you might get what I'm talking about. |
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Post by Free Hat on Apr 6, 2010 2:10:44 GMT -5
I'm 22 years old, so it's not like I'm just too young to appreciate his "greatness." If I don't find him entertaining today, I don't see why I would 10 or 15 years from now. It's the law of SNL, whats funny now isn't until down the line something worse takes it's place and what isn't funny now is only funny by comparison to the current product. Replace funny with "entertaining wrestler" and you might get what I'm talking about. I'm of the opinion that SNL has never been funny (at least not in my lifetime) so your analogy fails. |
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Post by ultimatekennedy on Apr 6, 2010 2:17:27 GMT -5
It's the law of SNL, whats funny now isn't until down the line something worse takes it's place and what isn't funny now is only funny by comparison to the current product. Replace funny with "entertaining wrestler" and you might get what I'm talking about. I'm of the opinion that SNL has never been funny (at least not in my lifetime) so your analogy fails. Fails for YOU, but others could get it. |
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Post by Free Hat on Apr 6, 2010 2:36:49 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that SNL has never been funny (at least not in my lifetime) so your analogy fails. Fails for YOU, but others could get it. Oh I get what you're saying, I just don't necessarily think that it's true. The thing is, when people complain about how much new stuff sucks compared to 10 or 15 years ago it's usually out of a sense of nostalgia, and to be nostalgic for something, you generally have to have liked it to begin with. There are only a few things I hated 10 years ago that I see in a more positive light today (i.e. Shawn Michaels), and to reiterate my earlier point, it's only because I was too young to really appreciate them at the time. |
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on Apr 6, 2010 10:18:14 GMT -5
He will be remembered as the defining wrestler of his generation. A legacy unparallelled, a moveset unrivalled and a crowd reaction that the likes of Hogan, Austin and the Rock could only dream of.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2010 10:24:36 GMT -5
Nostalgia cures everything
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Post by ultimatekennedy on Apr 6, 2010 10:29:53 GMT -5
Fails for YOU, but others could get it. Oh I get what you're saying, I just don't necessarily think that it's true. The thing is, when people complain about how much new stuff sucks compared to 10 or 15 years ago it's usually out of a sense of nostalgia, and to be nostalgic for something, you generally have to have liked it to begin with. There are only a few things I hated 10 years ago that I see in a more positive light today (i.e. Shawn Michaels), and to reiterate my earlier point, it's only because I was too young to really appreciate them at the time. For what it's worth, I use Saturday Night Live as an example because when Will Farrell and Chris Kattan and the rest had their mid to late 90's run I thought it was pathetic. Then I watched a few years later and the show was even WORSE and I mined what I could for humor out of those late 90's years for the show. John Cena may not be a fantastic performer, but just imagine if they can't find someone better and push some mediocre hack, imagine looking back at Cena and thinking how much more talented he is! Just wanted to clarify. |
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Post by spagett on Apr 6, 2010 10:45:39 GMT -5
I don't think I ever HATED Cena, so much as I got tired of seeing him. As juvenile as this sounds, when he made poop and sex jokes all the time back in 03 to 05, at least he was kinda funny. You totally summed up my thoughts on John Cena. I don't hate him I'm just tired of him. I recognise how hard he works and how popular he is. He deserves to be the man in the WWE. I just think after 5 years of being superpushed it is a fair thing to say you are a little bored. To answer the question I don't know how he will be seen. If the guy after Cena is a sort of Stone Cold type guy who takes the WWE back into being red hot and a part of the mainstream he probably won't be remembered that fondly apart from his fans. |
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Post by sunnytaker on Apr 6, 2010 11:06:22 GMT -5
he'll be back the following week no-selling retirement?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Apr 6, 2010 11:26:38 GMT -5
Oh I get what you're saying, I just don't necessarily think that it's true. The thing is, when people complain about how much new stuff sucks compared to 10 or 15 years ago it's usually out of a sense of nostalgia, and to be nostalgic for something, you generally have to have liked it to begin with. There are only a few things I hated 10 years ago that I see in a more positive light today (i.e. Shawn Michaels), and to reiterate my earlier point, it's only because I was too young to really appreciate them at the time. For what it's worth, I use Saturday Night Live as an example because when Will Farrell and Chris Kattan and the rest had their mid to late 90's run I thought it was pathetic. Then I watched a few years later and the show was even WORSE and I mined what I could for humor out of those late 90's years for the show. John Cena may not be a fantastic performer, but just imagine if they can't find someone better and push some mediocre hack, imagine looking back at Cena and thinking how much more talented he is! Just wanted to clarify. please tell me that you at least liked celebrity jepardy. that stuff was downright hilarious. i'm still trying to get enough wwe promo clips stitched together so that orton is lipsyncing (kinda) as ferrell/trebek and triple h is hammond/connery. THAT would be lovely, IMHO. |
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Post by Yami Daimao on Apr 6, 2010 12:38:38 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I use Saturday Night Live as an example because when Will Farrell and Chris Kattan and the rest had their mid to late 90's run I thought it was pathetic. Then I watched a few years later and the show was even WORSE and I mined what I could for humor out of those late 90's years for the show. John Cena may not be a fantastic performer, but just imagine if they can't find someone better and push some mediocre hack, imagine looking back at Cena and thinking how much more talented he is! Just wanted to clarify. please tell me that you at least liked celebrity jepardy. that stuff was downright hilarious. i'm still trying to get enough wwe promo clips stitched together so that orton is lipsyncing (kinda) as ferrell/trebek and triple h is hammond/connery. THAT would be lovely, IMHO. Orton: *sighs* We can't keep playing if you don't let go of the pickle.. Triple H: That's what your mother said last night! Hahaha, POW! Hahaha! I'd mark. |
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Apr 6, 2010 14:23:10 GMT -5
This thread got me imagining his retirement speech on Raw. If they happened to be in a smark city would they boo him or give him the respect he deserves?
He probably wouldn't even do a retirement speech as I doubt he'd ever leave the business on a 'final' note considering his love for it, but if there was, I would hope the crowd would give him due respect.
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Post by KevFalcön07 on Apr 6, 2010 14:27:08 GMT -5
Nostalgia cures everything there ya go. it's kinda true. |
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Post by Yami Daimao on Apr 6, 2010 14:44:29 GMT -5
This thread got me imagining his retirement speech on Raw. If they happened to be in a smark city would they boo him or give him the respect he deserves? He probably wouldn't even do a retirement speech as I doubt he'd ever leave the business on a 'final' note considering his love for it, but if there was, I would hope the crowd would give him due respect. I know the perfection location for Cena's retirement speech, a location where the crowd would definitely give him the respect that he deserves. Say it with me... Hammerstein Ballroom, New York.  {Spoiler}  |
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Post by ultimatekennedy on Apr 6, 2010 16:44:08 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I use Saturday Night Live as an example because when Will Farrell and Chris Kattan and the rest had their mid to late 90's run I thought it was pathetic. Then I watched a few years later and the show was even WORSE and I mined what I could for humor out of those late 90's years for the show. John Cena may not be a fantastic performer, but just imagine if they can't find someone better and push some mediocre hack, imagine looking back at Cena and thinking how much more talented he is! Just wanted to clarify. please tell me that you at least liked celebrity jepardy. that stuff was downright hilarious. i'm still trying to get enough wwe promo clips stitched together so that orton is lipsyncing (kinda) as ferrell/trebek and triple h is hammond/connery. THAT would be lovely, IMHO. Celebrity Jeporady was ONE funny segment. Will Farrell's half a$$ed infantile screaming not withstanding. Much like a Dane Cook CD, one or two funny moments does not make a good experience. I don't want to slog through a dozen bad sketches to get to the one GOOD one. |
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