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Post by Jason on Apr 12, 2010 17:48:15 GMT -5
Main eventing, but isn't. He's got good crowd support, never has a bad match, is fantastic on the mic and can deliver a good promo. That is more than some of the current main eventers have. I don't know, it seems weird that WWE won't push him when he can do all of this, the whole country ban thing is wrong, considering he has never missed a tour. I believe the only country he can't enter is Japan which can probably be sorted with some paper work, not like WWE go there much anyway.
Going over all of the midcarders right now, MVP just seems like the guy who is most ready for a main event push. However, I just can't see him with the belt knowing that Cena, HHH, Orton and now Batista are on Raw. It would look extremely out of place, and that's why I think both of he would be better suited for Smackdown. I think WWE should have went with the MVP/Sheamus feud heading into the rumble, but instead they had a heel vs heel match in Orton/Sheamus. The draft is coming up in 2 weeks time and I think MVP is the one guy who needs the move back to Smackdown most. This would give him a new fresh start and he could even possibly get a world title feud with Jack Swagger, they have had great matches on Superstars a few months back, IMO main event worthy matches... both guys trading wins and leaving looking good. Their mini feud last year on Raw was pretty solid too, and I think they should continue that if MVP hopefully moves back to Smackdown.
He also has the perfect emotional story that just writes itself. With Jeff Hardy and Shawn Michaels gone, I think MVP can have that connection with the audience if only they go deeper into it. i mean, guy who makes mistakes, and had a troubled past but is making up for it and making the most of his life. The fans will dig that if only they build the guy up enough, and there's always the possibility of a heel turn too. Before the losing streak, he had one of the most fresh, interesting and exciting characters on the roster, it was never done before. I don't think he's too old, he's only 37 years old, look at Batista and Steve Austin, they were around that age when they got their big push. Age doesn't make a difference as long as he can still go. They never even mention MVP's age anyway, as a matter of fact, they refer to him as one of the "brightest young guys".
Christian? I don't see him ever making the main event. He had his chance in 2005 and he left for TNA. I don't think WWE has fully forgiven him for that, he makes a solid upper midcarder like Chris Benoit who can put others over just by having a match. I'm not ruling out the possibility, maybe if he went to SD, he could feud with Jericho or Punk and get a good push there, but I don't know. Can't see him winning the world title as he doesn't neccessarily have the look WWE likes.
Anybody agree?
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Post by Arturo Classico on Apr 12, 2010 17:57:19 GMT -5
Totally agree!
I mean how come Seamus and jack Swagger could be World Champions and not MVP? Makes no sense at all at least MVP has a cool gimmick and can actually talk on the mic without looking horrible.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 12, 2010 17:59:55 GMT -5
I agree!Im a full MVP mark but... you will see sadly
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Post by Jason on Apr 12, 2010 18:01:03 GMT -5
I agree!Im a full MVP mark but... you will see sadly {Spoiler}I expect them to continue that feud to Raw, and MVP will win their next match. Christian lost to him last week, remember. But won the week before.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Apr 12, 2010 18:03:53 GMT -5
I remember saying after his ridiculous losing streak angle (a rare example of it actually getting somebody more over) and he was drafted to RAW, that he was ready to be given the ball and run with it sooner rather than later.
With that in mind, its a shame how things have panned out for him. We'll see what happens, but time does seem to be rapidly running out for him.
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Post by Vince's Torn Quads on Apr 12, 2010 18:05:42 GMT -5
Problem with MVP is that he's suffering from the Orton "first-face-turn" syndrome. In that his heel character was fantastic, and his face character has been badly neutered.
Orton learned from what happened years ago, and, dare I say it, is in a big enough spot to not allow Uncreative to make a mess of/change his current Viper gimmick. I think MVP needs to turn heel again, go back to what got him over in the first place, and then take no crap from anyone regarding his gimmick when he does turn face again.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Apr 12, 2010 18:09:02 GMT -5
How come whenever someone says Christian don't have the look they always go on to suggest someone who looks even less impressive in the looks department?
I can go either way on MVP. He may be good as a champ but i aint bothered by where he is. Get some move besides that ballin' one that makes me care and I might change my mind.
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Post by Jason on Apr 12, 2010 18:16:13 GMT -5
How come whenever someone says Christian don't have the look they always go on to suggest someone who looks even less impressive in the looks department? I can go either way on MVP. He may be good as a champ but i aint bothered by where he is. Get some move besides that ballin' one that makes me care and I might change my mind. Christian looks like an everyday guy though, where-as MVP has that "superstar" look to him that WWE loves. If that makes sense.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 12, 2010 18:18:01 GMT -5
How come whenever someone says Christian don't have the look they always go on to suggest someone who looks even less impressive in the looks department? I can go either way on MVP. He may be good as a champ but i aint bothered by where he is. Get some move besides that ballin' one that makes me care and I might change my mind. Christian looks like an everyday guy though, where-as MVP has that "superstar" look to him that WWE loves. If that makes sense. Even as a face he knows how to play his gimmick He was over alot at SUPERSTARS,and against Carlito.
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Post by pks on Apr 12, 2010 18:19:14 GMT -5
so long as he's got that stupid attire, he'll never get a push
that'll teach you kids about getting tattoos if you want to be on tv. make sure it's an agreeable one.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 12, 2010 18:19:43 GMT -5
MVP is just one example of how RAW's Booking can make a very popular wrestler less so.
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Post by bob on Apr 12, 2010 18:20:10 GMT -5
Main eventing, but isn't. He's got good crowd support, never has a bad match, is fantastic on the mic and can deliver a good promo. That is more than some of the current main eventers have. I don't know, it seems weird that WWE won't push him when he can do all of this, the whole country ban thing is wrong, considering he has never missed a tour. I believe the only country he can't enter is Japan which can probably be sorted with some paper work, not like WWE go there much anyway. Going over all of the midcarders right now, MVP just seems like the guy who is most ready for a main event push. However, I just can't see him with the belt knowing that Cena, HHH, Orton and now Batista are on Raw. It would look extremely out of place, and that's why I think both of he would be better suited for Smackdown. I think WWE should have went with the MVP/Sheamus feud heading into the rumble, but instead they had a heel vs heel match in Orton/Sheamus. The draft is coming up in 2 weeks time and I think MVP is the one guy who needs the move back to Smackdown most. This would give him a new fresh start and he could even possibly get a world title feud with Jack Swagger, they have had great matches on Superstars a few months back, IMO main event worthy matches... both guys trading wins and leaving looking good. Their mini feud last year on Raw was pretty solid too, and I think they should continue that if MVP hopefully moves back to Smackdown. He also has the perfect emotional story that just writes itself. With Jeff Hardy and Shawn Michaels gone, I think MVP can have that connection with the audience if only they go deeper into it. i mean, guy who makes mistakes, and had a troubled past but is making up for it and making the most of his life. The fans will dig that if only they build the guy up enough, and there's always the possibility of a heel turn too. Before the losing streak, he had one of the most fresh, interesting and exciting characters on the roster, it was never done before. I don't think he's too old, he's only 37 years old, look at Batista and Steve Austin, they were around that age when they got their big push. Age doesn't make a difference as long as he can still go. They never even mention MVP's age anyway, as a matter of fact, they refer to him as one of the "brightest young guys". Christian? I don't see him ever making the main event. He had his chance in 2005 and he left for TNA. I don't think WWE has fully forgiven him for that, he makes a solid upper midcarder like Chris Benoit who can put others over just by having a match. I'm not ruling out the possibility, maybe if he went to SD, he could feud with Jericho or Punk and get a good push there, but I don't know. Can't see him winning the world title as he doesn't neccessarily have the look WWE likes. Anybody agree? Christian, Miz, and Punk too
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Apr 12, 2010 18:22:00 GMT -5
I feel like MVP's tattoos hurt him.
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Post by Lionheart on Apr 12, 2010 18:34:56 GMT -5
I feel like MVP's tattoos hurt him. They were covered up until relatively recently, but I honestly think the old outfit with the sleeves hurt him more. It just screamed heel.
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Post by Jason on Apr 12, 2010 18:54:56 GMT -5
MVP's tattoos? He has a Malcolm X tattoo, and some gang related ones that he got covered up. He mentioned that his ring attire wasn't covering up any tattoos. It was actually supposed to be a douchebag attire that went for his gimmick at first (the blue/silver shiney power ranger outfit), but then it caught on, so he kept it. For whatever reason, he removed the sleeves, which I think was a bad idea, but his new design he debuted at WM26 is very cool and looks much better.
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Post by Tapout on Apr 12, 2010 19:36:55 GMT -5
Eh. OK, here's my thing.
It's no secret I'm not real high on the guy. He's also no spring chicken, either.
I admire the fact that he's trying to be a role model for ex-cons and I do think that's reason enough to give him some kind of push.
If Trips is definitely out, and with Michaels gone and Undertaker working the Undertaker schedule, the company needs new stars and that's fine, but I don't see a huge future for the guy on Raw.
For instance, if he gets drafted on Raw and works a good, long program with Jericho, that could elevate him significantly...but I'm frankly holding out hope that Jericho will put over Morrison first. I would frankly rather see Morrison break through the glass ceiling first, he's a younger guy who I frankly feel is a whole lot more marketable to a much wider, and much younger, audience.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 12, 2010 20:50:18 GMT -5
Christian, Miz, and Punk too He may be near the lower end of the main event scene, alongside Big Show and Mysterio, but Punk's pretty definitively been established as one of the top dozen or so guys in WWE by now.
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Post by christiancage on Apr 12, 2010 22:30:14 GMT -5
Completely disagree with the title.
MVP's ship has sailed. It's a shame really, he used to be so promising in 07.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 12, 2010 22:36:31 GMT -5
Problem with MVP is that he's suffering from the Orton "first-face-turn" syndrome. In that his heel character was fantastic, and his face character has been badly neutered. Orton learned from what happened years ago, and, dare I say it, is in a big enough spot to not allow Uncreative to make a mess of/change his current Viper gimmick. I think MVP needs to turn heel again, go back to what got him over in the first place, and then take no crap from anyone regarding his gimmick when he does turn face again. I don't think he needs to do that. Really he needs to dig more into the personality he showed against the Miz now long ago. The crowd really was into him during that. If he went more into that he would be just fine as a face. I agree that MVP should be MEing by now. He has everything to be it. He proven to be a great worker. A great talker and he very over. What else is there?
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Post by boomhauer20055 on Apr 13, 2010 2:16:46 GMT -5
I dont see him as more than a lower-mid-carder
I'd never pay money to see him main event a show
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