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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 13, 2006 3:17:22 GMT -5
Why do people act like this was a face/heel switch?
Werent both guys tweeners at the time with both leaning more to the heel side?
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Post by peopleschamp on Sept 13, 2006 6:37:37 GMT -5
Austin was certainly Tweener. Bret was the ultimate heroic babyface, who was starting to get a little PO'ed
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Post by Magneto on Sept 13, 2006 8:43:54 GMT -5
They had Bret whining for months and when he took easy shots at the rebellious Austin, the fans in Chicago booed him hard and cheered Austin after the match.
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Post by messiahtype on Sept 13, 2006 9:03:52 GMT -5
They had Bret whining for months and when he took easy shots at the rebellious Austin, the fans in Chicago booed him hard and cheered Austin after the match. he got booed because he walked away from shamrock. austin never got cheereed over hart, until he turned total heel. that's a common misconception. bret got a huge pop(despite what vince wants people to believe), he was cheered throughout the match and got a huge pop when announced as the winner. austin was a heel getting way more pops than usual, but the austin got cheered so much, bret got booed bs wwe likes to spread is so false its not even funny. |
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Post by skiller on Sept 13, 2006 9:08:21 GMT -5
They had Bret whining for months and when he took easy shots at the rebellious Austin, the fans in Chicago booed him hard and cheered Austin after the match. he got booed because he walked away from shamrock. austin never got cheereed over hart, until he turned total heel. that's a common misconception. bret got a huge pop(despite what vince wants people to believe), he was cheered throughtout the match and got a huge pop when announced as the winner. austin was a heel gettimg way more pops than usual, but the austin got cheered so much, bret got booed bs wwe likes to spread is so false its not even funny. This always confused me as I had heard that it was a clear double turn, but it never seemed completely clean cut. The fact that quite a number of fans cheered for Bret when he won kind of disputed this. I mean he really only got booed when he kept attacking Austin, and turned away from Shamrock, after the match. |
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Post by gorydaze on Sept 13, 2006 9:13:00 GMT -5
If you watch Final Four 1997 (the Feb. PPV), during the Pre-Show (I have it on tape from back in the day, doubt you can find it on DVD or anything). Dok Hendrix was announcing Vader's, Taker's, Bret's, and Austin's name. Undertaker got by far the loudest pop, and both Bret and Austin got mixed reaction. Then later in the night they still got a pretty mixed reaction, until Bret won the title and got a massive face pop.
Then in March at Raw after the cage match, Bret cut his promo and got a lot of mixed reaction as well. After the Austin/Bret match at WM13, Bret "faceishly" whacked Sid with a steel chair (which got a mixed reaction) to give Taker the opening for the Tombstone.
He didn't completely turn heel until the next night on Raw when he lambasted American fans.
When I look back at Wrestlemania 13, I see Undertaker as the top face and the rest of the stars were tweeners: Bret, Austin, Sid(he was a heel but he always fist-pounded fans, and he definitely got some positive reaction), and even Michaels who was doing the PBP and got a mixed reaction.
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Post by messiahtype on Sept 13, 2006 9:23:32 GMT -5
he got booed because he walked away from shamrock. austin never got cheered over hart, until he turned total heel. that's a common misconception. bret got a huge pop(despite what vince wants people to believe), he was cheered throughtout the match and got a huge pop when announced as the winner. austin was a heel gettimg way more pops than usual, but the austin got cheered so much, bret got booed bs wwe likes to spread is so false its not even funny. This always confused me as I had heard that it was a clear double turn, but it never seemed completely clean cut. The fact that quite a number of fans cheered for Bret when he won kind of disputed this. I mean he really only got booed when he kept attacking Austin, and turned away from Shamrock, after the match. actually he didn't get booed for attacking austin he got booed because he walked away from the shamrock confrontation. the bell was riging when he was attacking austin to give the feel of commotion. but you rarely heard a boo, if any. |
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Post by messiahtype on Sept 13, 2006 9:25:28 GMT -5
If you watch Final Four 1997 (the Feb. PPV), during the Pre-Show (I have it on tape from back in the day, doubt you can find it on DVD or anything). Dok Hendrix was announcing Vader's, Taker's, Bret's, and Austin's name. Undertaker got by far the loudest pop, and both Bret and Austin got mixed reaction. Then later in the night they still got a pretty mixed reaction, until Bret won the title and got a massive face pop. Then in March at Raw after the cage match, Bret cut his promo and got a lot of mixed reaction as well. After the Austin/Bret match at WM13, Bret "faceishly" whacked Sid with a steel chair (which got a mixed reaction) to give Taker the opening for the Tombstone. He didn't completely turn heel until the next night on Raw when he lambasted American fans. When I look back at Wrestlemania 13, I see Undertaker as the top face and the rest of the stars were tweeners: Bret, Austin, Sid(he was a heel but he always fist-pounded fans, and he definitely got some positive reaction), and even Michaels who was doing the PBP and got a mixed reaction. i remember bret getting the biggest pop. because lawler even said this crowd is going nuts. austin got a very mediocre reaction though. maybe i have to watch it again. but it was apparent to me that bret got the loudest pop the first and last time i saw it. |
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Post by gorydaze on Sept 13, 2006 9:26:31 GMT -5
Watch the free-for-all if you have it on tape.
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Post by skiller on Sept 13, 2006 9:28:40 GMT -5
This always confused me as I had heard that it was a clear double turn, but it never seemed completely clean cut. The fact that quite a number of fans cheered for Bret when he won kind of disputed this. I mean he really only got booed when he kept attacking Austin, and turned away from Shamrock, after the match. actually he didn't get booed for attacking austin he got booed because he walked away from the shamrock confrontation. the bell was riging when he was attacking austin to give the feel of commotion. but you rarely heard a boo, if any. But how is that a full heel turn then? The fans were more likely booing because they didn't get to see him brawl with Shamrock, not because all of a sudden they hated Bret for walking away. With this in mind how do people say that this was a double turn for both, when Bret really had a better face reaction then Austin? It really doesn't seem to be the case to me. |
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Post by messiahtype on Sept 13, 2006 9:37:14 GMT -5
actually he didn't get booed for attacking austin he got booed because he walked away from the shamrock confrontation. the bell was riging when he was attacking austin to give the feel of commotion. but you rarely heard a boo, if any. But how is that a full heel turn then? The fans were more likely booing because they didn't get to see him brawl with Shamrock, not because all of a sudden they hated Bret for walking away. With this in mind how do people say that this was a double turn for both, when Bret really had a better face reaction then Austin? It really doesn't seem to be the case to me. i don't get it and never got it either. the commentary also irked me. i wish it could be redone. it's insulting to my intelligence to hear bret hart had a "mixed" reaction, while ausin's was "huge" the commentary is too bias to take it seriously. btw what was the point of austin giving a ref the stunner? he had just taken maximum abuse to his legs/lowerback, yet he does a stunner? that's almost no selling the sharpshooter. |
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Post by Magneto on Sept 13, 2006 9:46:01 GMT -5
They had Bret whining for months and when he took easy shots at the rebellious Austin, the fans in Chicago booed him hard and cheered Austin after the match. he got booed because he walked away from shamrock. austin never got cheereed over hart, until he turned total heel. that's a common misconception. bret got a huge pop(despite what vince wants people to believe), he was cheered throughout the match and got a huge pop when announced as the winner. austin was a heel getting way more pops than usual, but the austin got cheered so much, bret got booed bs wwe likes to spread is so false its not even funny. Bret got BOOED at the end though and Austin got the "Austin" chants that they wanted. Vince was exagerrating about the reaction during the match though to sell the Austin face turn though. |
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Post by messiahtype on Sept 13, 2006 10:01:44 GMT -5
he got booed because he walked away from shamrock. austin never got cheereed over hart, until he turned total heel. that's a common misconception. bret got a huge pop(despite what vince wants people to believe), he was cheered throughout the match and got a huge pop when announced as the winner. austin was a heel getting way more pops than usual, but the austin got cheered so much, bret got booed bs wwe likes to spread is so false its not even funny. Bret got BOOED at the end though and Austin got the "Austin" chants that they wanted. Vince was exagerrating about the reaction during the match though to sell the Austin face turn though. i hear you. but i still maintain it was because he walked away from the shamrock confrontation. i know vince had to set it up, but with bret obviously attacking him after the match, the motive should've been obvious. the commentary is irritating in that regard. it was amazing how they kept switching roels throughout the match though. the heel making a babyface comeback? the face using the classic hel tactic to kill momentum. beautiful match. |
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Post by Magneto on Sept 13, 2006 10:03:37 GMT -5
Yeah...him attacking Austin at the end was getting small boos but when he WILLINGLY walked away from the Shamrock fight, the fans booed him hard.
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Post by kevinhardy on Sept 14, 2006 15:18:30 GMT -5
greatmatch ,nice heel turns
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Post by royboy8 on Sept 14, 2006 16:12:58 GMT -5
Austin was certainly Tweener. Bret was the ultimate heroic babyface, who was starting to get a little PO'ed The week before Bret busted out a profanity laden(even the F Bomb I kid you not) tirade on Vince and the E. This alone I would say turned Bret Tweener. |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 14, 2006 17:25:05 GMT -5
The truth is, I feel Bret was not being booked as a face, because of his attitude around the time. Austin was really starting to click. To me the switch began before the match.
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Post by ghettooverlord on Sept 14, 2006 18:21:17 GMT -5
That match really seems to stick out to me because most really good matches seem to work a lot of mat wrestling into the first ten or so minutes. Austin/Hart is just a beautifully-paced brawl.
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Post by Magneto on Sept 14, 2006 18:22:55 GMT -5
Of course Bret was not being booked as "face". The plan was to turn Austin face and turn Bret heel. A double switch turn. Bret was talking heelish in a complaining way(heelish traits) leading to WM 13 while Austin was never backing down(hero traits) from anyone.
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Post by darthpipes on Sept 14, 2006 18:26:40 GMT -5
Austin was a heel coming into this match, not a tweener. He became a fan favorite after it but he was still but he still acted like a heel throughout most of 1997. I always liked this Austin, the 1997 one, better than the 1998 one.
As for the Hart/Austin match, I haven't watched it in so longer so I can't remember what happened with the crowd at the end.
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