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Post by MGH on Jul 8, 2010 23:07:56 GMT -5
okay i get it but when you don't have anyone to help you win a championship it makes sense to leave It also makes since to remain loyal and show that you give a damn about the fans that supported you all of those years instead of bolting at the first opportunity. I mean it's not like he was on a lottery team every year. At least Kevin Garnett waited and stayed in Minnesota for all those years before wanting a trade. At least he is gave Minnesota a chance to get something back for him. Garnett has said after the fact that he wishes he hadn't stayed loyal to Minnesota as long as he did, because he probably wasted good years in a bad situation.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 8, 2010 23:07:58 GMT -5
So now, thanks to cap space, the Heat have 5 signed players and 3 unsigned draft picks....that's just great. At this rate will they even be able to field a team this year? They might if they scrape the bottom of the free agent barrel for guys who will take IOUs.... Exactly. While everyone is out there already anointing the Heat as the 2011 NBA Champions, I'm going to wait and see what kind of roster they build around the Devil's Threesome. The 2008 Celtics were formed around the trio of Pierce, Allen and Garnett. However, they never would have won a championship without James Posey, Eddie House, P.J. Brown, Leon Powe, Rajon Rondo or Kendrick Perkins. To win a championship in today's NBA, you need at least one superstar, one second banana, a few complimentary players and at least two or three quality bench players. You need to be able to run a team at least eight deep in order to win. The 2010 Lakers had the necessary tools. They had the superstar (Bryant), the second banana (Gasol), the complimentary pieces (Bynum, Fisher, Artest) and two quality bench players (Odom, Shannon Brown). The 2011 Heat have two superstars (Wade and James), a second banana (Bosh) and a quality bench player (Chalmers). The Heat need to go out in free agency and find a starting center, a starting point guard and a swingman who can give you 15 minutes off the bench per night. Then you can round out roster spot 8 through 12 with players of less importance. If they think they can just win a championship with James, Wade, Bosh and nine scrubs, then they are in for a rude awakening. You can see a similar championship-winning build up going on in OKC. Durant is obviously the All-Star, Westbrook is currently the second banana, but is totally on the path to being an All-Star(dude's easily one of the 10 best point guards in the league right now, if not in the top 5), Jeff Green is a second second banana, and James Harden and Serge Ibaka are becoming GREAT bench players, especially Ibaka, he got so damn good in just about 20 games last season. Just a few more pieces in the right areas, such as a true center(hopefully Cole Aldrich fixes this), as well as a shooting guard who can nail 3 pointers with consistency(even with all their improvements over 08-09, the Thunder are still some of the worst 3 point shooters in the league), and we might have something.
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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Jul 8, 2010 23:08:47 GMT -5
Are the Heat going to have enough money to get more players and they just got rid of Beasley. Also after releasing all there guys for the nWo how many people do they have total on their roster now?
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jul 8, 2010 23:09:36 GMT -5
Are the Heat going to have enough money to get more players and they just got rid of Beasley. Also after releasing all there guys for the nWo how many people do they have total on their roster now? 5 and a couple of unsigned people.
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 8, 2010 23:09:53 GMT -5
Lebron represents all that is wrong with the NBA right now and why the NBA has seen a huge decline in popularity in the last decade. Selfish, greedy egotistical players. This circus did nothing more than to alienate more fans that have been growing tired of what the NBA has become. Look at the past greats, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, David Robinson, John Stockton. They stuck to one team and were loyal to their fans. Michael Jordon struggled to win a title for many years, even being branded as someone who couldn't win the championship. he was in a very similar situation as Lebron. Unlike Lebron, he didn't run, he stayed and helped turn Chicago into one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history. Same with David Robinson, he stayed and eventually won a title for his team. At least, if you are going to leave, be classy about it and don't give a big F U to your former city the way he did. Him giving $2 million to the boys and girls club is nothing to praise him over. Tons of pro athletes give more than that to good organizations on a yearly basis, they just don't promote it. Lebron did it just to get praise, the others do it to help. Kurt Warner he is not. To quote Charles Barkley "Michael Jordan was the man, Lebron James will never be the man" Is he selfish? maybe. Egotistical? Seems that way. But he didn't do anything wrong.
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Post by MGH on Jul 8, 2010 23:10:59 GMT -5
Are the Heat going to have enough money to get more players and they just got rid of Beasley. Also after releasing all there guys for the nWo how many people do they have total on their roster now? Right now just these three and Mario Chalmers. You can exceed the cap as long as you're signing people to the minimum they're allowed to sign for. No word on Mike Miller yet either, unless I missed it. I still say you give these three some veteran guys with at least one decent shooter (Kapono?) and they're cruising to 60. Maybe I'll be wrong and they'll burn out and in fight all the time. But there are going to be people seriously, seriously, seeeeeeriously underestimating what these three will be capable of. I'll stake my years as a fan on that. These three are about to wipe people out.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Jul 8, 2010 23:11:49 GMT -5
It also makes since to remain loyal and show that you give a damn about the fans that supported you all of those years instead of bolting at the first opportunity. I mean it's not like he was on a lottery team every year. At least Kevin Garnett waited and stayed in Minnesota for all those years before wanting a trade. At least he is gave Minnesota a chance to get something back for him. Garnett has said after the fact that he wishes he hadn't stayed loyal to Minnesota as long as he did, because he probably wasted good years in a bad situation. But still he did and I'm sure if you ask most T-Wolves fans, they appreciate it and will forever remember him as such. I think loyalty in pro sports anymore is a rare thing and I think those who remain loyal and not bolt first chance they get, goes a long way.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jul 8, 2010 23:12:56 GMT -5
Anyone that wants to, go to ESPN radio and listing to the Cleavland feed. Their local radio shows are literally screaming right now. This is kinda funny/sad to listen to. espn.go.com/espnradio/
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 8, 2010 23:13:45 GMT -5
I still can't stop rolling my eyes at this being a "betrayal" and LeBron being "selfish" by leaving. His complete and total mockery of an announcement show was selfish, but leaving isn't even close. Gilbert doesn't want to look in the mirror and see the real person at fault for not being able to bring a title to Cleveland. He just did something I didn't think anyone would be able to do over the next 48 hours. Come off as more childish than the Cleveland fans themselves. Dude didn't pull a Kobe and demand to be traded in the middle of a contract. His deal expired, he went to a better place. Attention whore or not, it's good business. Gilbert just came off like a joke. At this point I hope LeBron comes in to Cleveland in November or December and drops another 50 point triple double. I do feel sorry for the Cav fans who aren't acting like over grown 10 year olds. Friggin' horrible for them in fact. To the rest, I hope every time they see LeBron he's crushing it. People act like this proves that the league is rigged just because players go to teams they think they can win at. That's not rigging the league, that's being a smart business person. Lebron, Kobe, Bosh, Wade, their time as athletes is slim and it's not going to get any longer. They're in the business of maximizing their profits, just like anyone else. Yes, you can play with a team your entire career, but if you don't win then that reflects poorly on you, like it or not. And yes, Elite players get calls. Find me a sport where bad officiating doesn't happen and where fans are perfectly content with officiating, then talk about how the NBA is supposedly worse than every other sport every played.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 8, 2010 23:13:48 GMT -5
Garnett has said after the fact that he wishes he hadn't stayed loyal to Minnesota as long as he did, because he probably wasted good years in a bad situation. But still he did and I'm sure if you ask most T-Wolves fans, they appreciate it and will forever remember him as such. I think loyalty in pro sports anymore is a rare thing and I think those who remain loyal and not bolt for chance they get, goes a long way. Garnett also gave a shout out to the Minnesota fans upon winning the title
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jul 8, 2010 23:14:56 GMT -5
Garnett has said after the fact that he wishes he hadn't stayed loyal to Minnesota as long as he did, because he probably wasted good years in a bad situation. But still he did and I'm sure if you ask most T-Wolves fans, they appreciate it and will forever remember him as such. I think loyalty in pro sports anymore is a rare thing and I think those who remain loyal and not bolt for chance they get, goes a long way. i don't want to keep saying "this" all the time, but this.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jul 8, 2010 23:15:08 GMT -5
They are now attacking Lebron stuff in the Radio studio.
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Post by RKTaker on Jul 8, 2010 23:16:14 GMT -5
They are now attacking Lebron stuff in the Radio studio. that's just said *clicks on link to listen*
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Post by MGH on Jul 8, 2010 23:16:51 GMT -5
Well now the big rumor is that Wade is going to try and get Shaq to not play for the mid level exception somewhere and come to Miami for the bare minimum. Kinda hard to see that happen. This IS Shaq we're talking about...
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 8, 2010 23:18:44 GMT -5
Are the Heat going to have enough money to get more players and they just got rid of Beasley. Also after releasing all there guys for the nWo how many people do they have total on their roster now? Right now just these three and Mario Chalmers. You can exceed the cap as long as you're signing people to the minimum they're allowed to sign for. No word on Mike Miller yet either, unless I missed it. I still say you give these three some veteran guys with at least one decent shooter (Kapono?) and they're cruising to 60. Maybe I'll be wrong and they'll burn out and in fight all the time. But there are going to be people seriously, seriously, seeeeeeriously underestimating what these three will be capable of. I'll stake my years as a fan on that. These three are about to wipe people out. Last I checked, Kenny Hasbrouck is also signed with the Heat. So, unsigned draft picks aside(which are a center, small forward, and power forward), the team currently consists of 2 forwards(Bosh & James), 2 point guards(Chalmers and Hasbrouck), and 1 shooting guard(Wade). They also have $5 million open cap space left after trading Beasley away. So, they could sign their draft picks(they HAVE to sign the center, at least), and spend what is left on a bunch of minimum contracts belonging to scrubs.
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Post by BR329 on Jul 8, 2010 23:18:50 GMT -5
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 8, 2010 23:19:37 GMT -5
Yes, you can play with a team your entire career, but if you don't win then that reflects poorly on you, like it or not. Yes, not winning the championship really tarnished the legacy of Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Dan Marino, Clyde Drexler, Ted Williams, Cal Ripken Jr. If you are great, you are great no matter what and people will respect that. The only thing that reflects poorly is how you act. Which is why, despite the fact that he may have been the best rebounder in NBA history, Dennis Rodman will probably never get the proper respect he deserves as a player.
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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Jul 8, 2010 23:20:29 GMT -5
I'm listening to the Cleveland station. They are going crazy.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 8, 2010 23:20:59 GMT -5
Well now the big rumor is that Wade is going to try and get Shaq to not play for the mid level exception somewhere and come to Miami for the bare minimum. Kinda hard to see that happen. This IS Shaq we're talking about... True, but at the same time, the Heat DO need a Center.....
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Post by rrm15 on Jul 8, 2010 23:21:16 GMT -5
Forgive my ignorance, but what happens to the ton of money Cleavland had saved for Lebron? Or is that not how it works?
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