How did Oz NOT get over!

[fg76]

Workrate was crap, but damn he had a castle, he an outfit like a powerful Wizard, and he had a generic ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST MUSIC.

How didn't OZ NOT get over!

[default]

According to Nash, after the gimmick pretty much bombed, he was booked by WCW with the gimmick in one of the Japanese feds as a talent exchange/favor. Apparently, it was more successful over there for them than here.

Then again, he said right before he left he asked someone who was over there for some advice. They gave him some pointers on different things and then they told him not to sell.

[kingsuperspecial]

Oz was no goofier than the Undertaker really so I don't know
Maybe if he'd wrestled in the full Oz get-up he'd have been more successful. It was a bit of a disappointment to see under that outfit there was just "some big guy".

Same question Vinnie Vegas

_{did Bischoff really call him "Howly" Race?}

[Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black]

What the hell was Nash talking about in that Vinnie Vegas clip?

[Goldenbane]

Here's some ways I think Oz could have gotten over:

1. Instead of Kevin Nash having the gimmick, give it to a smaller, unimpressive wrestler. Same entrance, same helper wizard, same flying monkeys and pigs and whatever else...maybe even throw in the "big four" from the movie (Lion, Tinman, Scarecrow, and Dorathy). Have the wrestler dressed up so that he appears massively gigantic...then when he enters the ring and takes off the stuff, he's that tiny guy!

2. Put Nash/Oz in a fued with the Ultimate Warrior! This seems to be the types of guys Warrior would fight (of course you'd have to get Warrior to WCW or OZ into the WWF for this to work)

3. He could team with Papa Shango as the Masters of Magic or some other such heel tag team gimmick. (Again, this would be more if Oz was in WWF) Better yet, do the same kinda thing...but to keep him in WCW, use Black Scorpion instead!!!

4. Use Nash...keep all the stuff the same...but as he walks down the isle to the ring on the "yellow brick road" have a dummy in the entrance way hanging himself (sort of like the old Urban Legend from the movie!)

5. Turn him face and have him refer to his fans as "All my little munchkins!!" Hire a female body builder (Nicole Bass or something?) to come in as a heel and be the Wicked Witch of the West. The fued could entail several gimmick matches such as the "buried alive" match (loser is "buried" under one of those kiddie play houses), a 5 man tornado match...Oz with the "big four" vs. the Wicked Witch, 2 flying monkies, and 2 "castle guard" guys, and finally the "melting match" where the loser gets splashed with "a mysterious clear liquid substance" from the ceiling.

[Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black]

Aug 30, 2008 17:45:03 GMT -5 Goldenbane said:

Here's some ways I think Oz could have gotten over:

1. Instead of Kevin Nash having the gimmick, give it to a smaller, unimpressive wrestler. Same entrance, same helper wizard, same flying monkeys and pigs and whatever else...maybe even throw in the "big four" from the movie (Lion, Tinman, Scarecrow, and Dorathy). Have the wrestler dressed up so that he appears massively gigantic...then when he enters the ring and takes off the stuff, he's that tiny guy!

2. Put Nash/Oz in a fued with the Ultimate Warrior! This seems to be the types of guys Warrior would fight (of course you'd have to get Warrior to WCW or OZ into the WWF for this to work)

3. He could team with Papa Shango as the Masters of Magic or some other such heel tag team gimmick. (Again, this would be more if Oz was in WWF) Better yet, do the same kinda thing...but to keep him in WCW, use Black Scorpion instead!!!

4. Use Nash...keep all the stuff the same...but as he walks down the isle to the ring on the "yellow brick road" have a dummy in the entrance way hanging himself (sort of like the old Urban Legend from the movie!)

5. Turn him face and have him refer to his fans as "All my little munchkins!!" Hire a female body builder (Nicole Bass or something?) to come in as a heel and be the Wicked Witch of the West. The fued could entail several gimmick matches such as the "buried alive" match (loser is "buried" under one of those kiddie play houses), a 5 man tornado match...Oz with the "big four" vs. the Wicked Witch, 2 flying monkies, and 2 "castle guard" guys, and finally the "melting match" where the loser gets splashed with "a mysterious clear liquid substance" from the ceiling.

[New Age Outlaw]

Oz didn't get over, but even back then you could clearly see Nash had a boat load of charisma. Vince or someone in the WWE recognized a guy with that size and charisma had superstar potential, and the legend of Kevin Nash was born. First as Diesel, one of the few bright spots from a horrid period in WWF history, and later as the cornerstone of the most successful stable in wrestling history, the n.W.o.

Long live King Nash!

[gsguy]

Aug 30, 2008 6:19:18 GMT -5 kingsuperspecial said:

Oz was no goofier than the Undertaker really so I don't know
Maybe if he'd wrestled in the full Oz get-up he'd have been more successful. It was a bit of a disappointment to see under that outfit there was just "some big guy".

Same question Vinnie Vegas

_{did Bischoff really call him "Howly" Race?}

Wait a minute...does Harley not have a mustache there?

He looks so odd without it.

[Triple Kelly]

"Welcome to Oz! Welcome to Oz!"

And someone in the crowd yells, "Shut up, bitch!"

[Hulkshi Tanahashi]

Aug 30, 2008 21:21:41 GMT -5 Triple Kelly said:

"Welcome to Oz! Welcome to Oz!"

And someone in the crowd yells, "Shut up, bitch!"

Was that someone you!? Be honest! ;D

[Deleted]

vinne vegas ruled

[Triple Kelly]

Aug 30, 2008 21:25:41 GMT -5 Hulkshi Tanahashi said:

Aug 30, 2008 21:21:41 GMT -5 Triple Kelly said:

"Welcome to Oz! Welcome to Oz!"

And someone in the crowd yells, "Shut up, bitch!"

Was that someone you!? Be honest! ;D

HA HA!!! I WISH I was around for that one!!! I love that first Superbrawl.

[default]

Aug 30, 2008 20:53:14 GMT -5 @gsguy said:

Aug 30, 2008 6:19:18 GMT -5 kingsuperspecial said:

Oz was no goofier than the Undertaker really so I don't know
Maybe if he'd wrestled in the full Oz get-up he'd have been more successful. It was a bit of a disappointment to see under that outfit there was just "some big guy".

Same question Vinnie Vegas

_{did Bischoff really call him "Howly" Race?}

Wait a minute...does Harley not have a mustache there?

He looks so odd without it.

Yeah, that happens to me. A bunch of people kept telling me to shave mine, so I did. Then they most of them turned around and told me to grow it back. Now whenever someone tells to shave it, I call over Tom Selleck and we commence to stomping some sense into suckas.

[Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action]

Aug 30, 2008 16:16:24 GMT -5 Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black said:

What the hell was Nash talking about in that Vinnie Vegas clip?

Implying he was working on the streets for the mob when other weren't doing crap. Hence he's tough.

[Metalheadbanger Man]

His Vinne Vegas promo voice is brilliant.

[Mac]

Diesel in his original form wasn't that far off from Vinnie Vegas. Just minus the ridiculous outfit, given a cool name and nix the Italian Goodfella accent.

[fg76]

Aug 30, 2008 18:08:30 GMT -5 Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black said:

Aug 30, 2008 17:45:03 GMT -5 Goldenbane said:

Here's some ways I think Oz could have gotten over:

1. Instead of Kevin Nash having the gimmick, give it to a smaller, unimpressive wrestler. Same entrance, same helper wizard, same flying monkeys and pigs and whatever else...maybe even throw in the "big four" from the movie (Lion, Tinman, Scarecrow, and Dorathy). Have the wrestler dressed up so that he appears massively gigantic...then when he enters the ring and takes off the stuff, he's that tiny guy!

2. Put Nash/Oz in a fued with the Ultimate Warrior! This seems to be the types of guys Warrior would fight (of course you'd have to get Warrior to WCW or OZ into the WWF for this to work)

3. He could team with Papa Shango as the Masters of Magic or some other such heel tag team gimmick. (Again, this would be more if Oz was in WWF) Better yet, do the same kinda thing...but to keep him in WCW, use Black Scorpion instead!!!

4. Use Nash...keep all the stuff the same...but as he walks down the isle to the ring on the "yellow brick road" have a dummy in the entrance way hanging himself (sort of like the old Urban Legend from the movie!)

5. Turn him face and have him refer to his fans as "All my little munchkins!!" Hire a female body builder (Nicole Bass or something?) to come in as a heel and be the Wicked Witch of the West. The fued could entail several gimmick matches such as the "buried alive" match (loser is "buried" under one of those kiddie play houses), a 5 man tornado match...Oz with the "big four" vs. the Wicked Witch, 2 flying monkies, and 2 "castle guard" guys, and finally the "melting match" where the loser gets splashed with "a mysterious clear liquid substance" from the ceiling.

NO!
NO!
NO!
THIS ONE DAMN IT!

[Goldenbane]

Sept 1, 2008 2:02:39 GMT -5 fg76 said:

Aug 30, 2008 18:08:30 GMT -5 Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black said:

NO!
NO!
NO!
THIS ONE DAMN IT!

Thank you! If I'm going to get punked out, I at least want Ric Flair to be apart of that punking! ;D

[fg76]

Thank you! If I'm going to get punked out, I at least want Ric Flair to be apart of that punking! ;D

;D

[Confused Mark Wahlberg]

My favorite line from Nash, something like: "I told them that Oz was the place, not the wizard"