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Post by Kris Kobain on May 31, 2010 13:18:05 GMT -5
Have all pretty much fizzled out in terms of superstardom.
Bryan Danielson: I guess we could wait to see what happens but to be honest he won't be world champion ever.
Lance Cade: Released for the whole drug related seizure. Re-hired and released again.
Brian Kendrick: Ended his WWE career with a terrible moniker and was depushed pretty heavily. Is he still in TNA?
Did Shawn train his cousin Matt Bentley?
Who else did he train and where are they now?
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Post by Matt Dunn on May 31, 2010 13:26:13 GMT -5
Paul London. Fired for being his goofy self. I think he's in the indies but don't really know
Pretty sad if you ask me. I was thinking we would see a Lance Cade or Kendrick vs Michaels program (one on one, not as a manager in Cade's case) but I guess it wasn't to be.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on May 31, 2010 13:26:59 GMT -5
Have all pretty much fizzled out in terms of superstardom. Bryan Danielson: I guess we could wait to see what happens but to be honest he won't be world champion ever. Lance Cade: Released for the whole drug related seizure. Re-hired and released again. Brian Kendrick: Ended his WWE career with a terrible moniker and was depushed pretty heavily. Is he still in TNA? Did Shawn train his cousin Matt Bentley? Who else did he train and where are they now? Kendrick's in TNA, and being featured quite nicely in the X Division. And I don't know exactly how Bryan Danielson is a failure ... former ROH World Champion, two-time PWG World Champion, GHC Junior Heavyweight Champion for Pro Wrestling NOAH, one-time tag champion in New Japan, rated #13 on the PWI 500 in 2008 ... how is this "failure"? Cade and Bentley, though ... can't argue there. Also ... he trained Paul London (who's had a very successful indie career and holds the longest reign for tag champions in Smackdown history with ... Brian Kendrick) and Hernandez, who's not doing too bad in TNA ... and Milano Collection AT has a nice career in Japan. So, I'd say Shawn's success/failure ratio is very respectable. Jed Shaffer ~Success is not measured in the WWE alone. |
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Post by Matt Dunn on May 31, 2010 13:28:45 GMT -5
^I forgot about Hernandez. Thanx.
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Post by Kris Kobain on May 31, 2010 13:30:58 GMT -5
Have all pretty much fizzled out in terms of superstardom. Bryan Danielson: I guess we could wait to see what happens but to be honest he won't be world champion ever. Lance Cade: Released for the whole drug related seizure. Re-hired and released again. Brian Kendrick: Ended his WWE career with a terrible moniker and was depushed pretty heavily. Is he still in TNA? Did Shawn train his cousin Matt Bentley? Who else did he train and where are they now? Kendrick's in TNA, and being featured quite nicely in the X Division. And I don't know exactly how Bryan Danielson is a failure ... former ROH World Champion, two-time PWG World Champion, GHC Junior Heavyweight Champion for Pro Wrestling NOAH, one-time tag champion in New Japan, rated #13 on the PWI 500 in 2008 ... how is this "failure"? Cade and Bentley, though ... can't argue there. Also ... he trained Paul London (who's had a very successful indie career and holds the longest reign for tag champions in Smackdown history with ... Brian Kendrick) and Hernandez, who's not doing too bad in TNA ... and Milano Collection AT has a nice career in Japan. So, I'd say Shawn's success/failure ratio is very respectable. Jed Shaffer ~Success is not measured in the WWE alone. Key word being superstardom. None of these guys are exactly the face of a major company. I'm jsut saying with how talented all of these guys are and how over some of them have gotten you'd think at least one would be WWE or TNA world champ by now. I think he did a great job with the guys. There's not one in the bunch I don't like. None of them have ever made it past that peak for some reason though. |
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Post by Johawn on May 31, 2010 14:04:59 GMT -5
The sheer odds of being like, a megastar in wrestling are nigh insubmountable. It's thousands and thousands to one. No matter who trained you.
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Post by Tyfo on May 31, 2010 15:18:33 GMT -5
He also trained former WWE Developmental wrestler Tony Santarelli, former TNA Knockout Simply Luscious, and Shooter Schultz.
None are superstars of course, but just a few more for the list.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2010 15:20:49 GMT -5
Kendrick isn't being featured anywhere he's a jobber
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on May 31, 2010 15:28:19 GMT -5
^ He's got a PPV X-Division title match coming up I believe.
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Post by EJS on May 31, 2010 15:31:27 GMT -5
Kendrick isn't being featured anywhere he's a jobber Hes in a one on one X-Division title match at their next PPV. |
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Post by toonami4life on May 31, 2010 15:47:01 GMT -5
Well it all depends on their accomplishments:
Hernandez: Multi time Tag Champion, 2006 tag team of the year with Homicide in LAX. Working with AAA to make himself ready for singles competition.
Bryan Danielson: Won gold everywhere he's been in the indies and in ROH
Matt Bentley: Two time X Division champion and winner of the First Ultimate X match
Lance Cade: Same as Hernandez, multi time tag champion
Paul London and Brian Kendrick: Third longest reigning tag team champions in wrestling and Kendrick is getting a X title shot come Slammiversary. London also holds the PWG tag titles with El Generico right now.
Just because they haven't hold the WWE title doesn't mean they are failures. Same of them have pretty good resumes and not everyone is capable of being a world champion
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on May 31, 2010 15:49:55 GMT -5
Also isn't it actually the case that Shawn wasn't very involved in the training at all? He basically funded the camp but most, if not all, of the training was provided by Rudy Boy Gonzalez, Jose Lothario and Paul Diamond. Please correct me if I'm wrong  |
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on May 31, 2010 15:54:01 GMT -5
Also isn't it actually the case that Shawn wasn't very involved in the training at all? He basically funded the camp but most, if not all, of the training was provided by Rudy Boy Gonzalez, Jose Lothario and Paul Diamond. Please correct me if I'm wrong I think that was pretty much the case when he got back in the ring (so he never actually trained Paul London), but according to Danielson he seemed to be very involved with thew first few classes. |
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on May 31, 2010 17:03:52 GMT -5
Kendrick's in TNA, and being featured quite nicely in the X Division. And I don't know exactly how Bryan Danielson is a failure ... former ROH World Champion, two-time PWG World Champion, GHC Junior Heavyweight Champion for Pro Wrestling NOAH, one-time tag champion in New Japan, rated #13 on the PWI 500 in 2008 ... how is this "failure"? Cade and Bentley, though ... can't argue there. Also ... he trained Paul London (who's had a very successful indie career and holds the longest reign for tag champions in Smackdown history with ... Brian Kendrick) and Hernandez, who's not doing too bad in TNA ... and Milano Collection AT has a nice career in Japan. So, I'd say Shawn's success/failure ratio is very respectable. Jed Shaffer ~Success is not measured in the WWE alone. Key word being superstardom. None of these guys are exactly the face of a major company. I'm jsut saying with how talented all of these guys are and how over some of them have gotten you'd think at least one would be WWE or TNA world champ by now. I think he did a great job with the guys. There's not one in the bunch I don't like. None of them have ever made it past that peak for some reason though. And a lot of these guys still have quite a long time to go on their careers. Danielson isn't even 30 yet. It's hardly fair to go flying the "Shawn's trainees are all failures" flag when many of them are still on their way up. And some may be perfectly happy being successful in the indies. Most trainers are lucky to get one genuine superstar. Places like the Hart Dungeon and the The Funkin' Dojo are statistical oddities. If Shawn doesn't turn out a Hall Of Famer, that's not an indictment on him and his training regimen; he'll have a lot of company, in fact. Jed Shaffer ~Again, if WWE Superstardom is the only metric of success, that's a pretty shallow pool of candidates. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 31, 2010 21:32:42 GMT -5
Have all pretty much fizzled out in terms of superstardom. Bryan Danielson: I guess we could wait to see what happens but to be honest he won't be world champion ever. Lance Cade: Released for the whole drug related seizure. Re-hired and released again. Brian Kendrick: Ended his WWE career with a terrible moniker and was depushed pretty heavily. Is he still in TNA? Did Shawn train his cousin Matt Bentley? Who else did he train and where are they now? Kendrick's in TNA, and being featured quite nicely in the X Division. And I don't know exactly how Bryan Danielson is a failure ... former ROH World Champion, two-time PWG World Champion, GHC Junior Heavyweight Champion for Pro Wrestling NOAH, one-time tag champion in New Japan, rated #13 on the PWI 500 in 2008 ... how is this "failure"? Cade and Bentley, though ... can't argue there. Also ... he trained Paul London (who's had a very successful indie career and holds the longest reign for tag champions in Smackdown history with ... Brian Kendrick) and Hernandez, who's not doing too bad in TNA ... and Milano Collection AT has a nice career in Japan. So, I'd say Shawn's success/failure ratio is very respectable. Jed Shaffer ~Success is not measured in the WWE alone. Shawn Michaels trained Milano Collection AT? I thought that was Ultimo Dragon? |
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Post by Parrish on May 31, 2010 21:41:53 GMT -5
all of them are really really good wrestlers, so i wouldnt call them failures
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Post by H-Fist on May 31, 2010 22:04:14 GMT -5
Kendrick's in TNA, and being featured quite nicely in the X Division. And I don't know exactly how Bryan Danielson is a failure ... former ROH World Champion, two-time PWG World Champion, GHC Junior Heavyweight Champion for Pro Wrestling NOAH, one-time tag champion in New Japan, rated #13 on the PWI 500 in 2008 ... how is this "failure"? Cade and Bentley, though ... can't argue there. Also ... he trained Paul London (who's had a very successful indie career and holds the longest reign for tag champions in Smackdown history with ... Brian Kendrick) and Hernandez, who's not doing too bad in TNA ... and Milano Collection AT has a nice career in Japan. So, I'd say Shawn's success/failure ratio is very respectable. Jed Shaffer ~Success is not measured in the WWE alone. Shawn Michaels trained Milano Collection AT? I thought that was Ultimo Dragon? Rudy Boy Gonzalez for sure trained Milano in the American style when he came over to the States for the first time. He already was pro. |
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Post by Urethra Franklin on May 31, 2010 22:52:04 GMT -5
How about Masada? Didn't HBK have a hand in training him, too?
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Post by waluigi on May 31, 2010 22:54:09 GMT -5
HBK didn't train Bryan Danielson, Danielson just went to the school that he founded
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 1, 2010 1:08:25 GMT -5
I never used the word failure guys.....
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