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Post by wildojinx on May 20, 2010 8:14:06 GMT -5
A heel "leaves" the company. Soon after a new face wrestler wearing a mask debuts . Later the masked babyface wins the belt in a face vs face match (ironically, against the face who caused the heel to leave), and then turns heel, unmasking himself to reveal himself to be the heel who left. He then announces that it was a ruse to get the belt. A variation would have the wrestler as a face beating a heel for the belt, then revealing it was a ruse and both the now returned heel and the ex-champion heel form an alliance. Kind of like the marvel comic Thunderbolts.
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 20, 2010 8:52:39 GMT -5
I dont think that this angle has been done before, but they need to do such an angle.
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Post by Mayonnaise on May 20, 2010 10:07:12 GMT -5
I don't know that it could be pulled off in a WWE or TNA (hell, even ROH) given how much promos mean. Plus to be realistic, it would have to last a few months and that would hurt it's chances as well.
Chikara pulled off something close to this though with Pinky Sanchez playing Carpenter Ant to get back in Chikara and help set up the BDK.
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on May 20, 2010 13:01:30 GMT -5
It'd be really hard because so many can be id'd on body shape alone. A full-body outfit of some kind would be a must and even then it might be obvious. But it would be nice if they did something like this, a return from an injury would be a perfect opportunity except they sort of have tunnel-vision when it comes to the big return moment.
But imagine for a minute we couldn't id Edge for example on his build alone, they say he's got months to recover from his injury if he can return at all. Nine months later a new masked guy debuts and wrestles for months under this persona, then gets a title shot, wins and unmasks. The ultimate opportunist has done it again!
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 20, 2010 13:27:59 GMT -5
Well, they've certainly don't similar angles.
Mr. America
The Machines
Los Conquistadores
Dean Malenko
The problem is building the new masked guy up from scratch. Which is why they've always done the route where it's plainly obvious who is under the mask.
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Post by Stu on May 20, 2010 13:47:07 GMT -5
Simpsons did it!
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Post by FrankGotch on May 20, 2010 14:02:19 GMT -5
Well, they've certainly don't similar angles. Mr. America The Machines Los Conquistadores Dean Malenko The problem is building the new masked guy up from scratch. Which is why they've always done the route where it's plainly obvious who is under the mask. Who the hell did Mr. America turn out to be? I don't think they ever did a revel on that one. |
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Post by dabossftw on May 20, 2010 20:50:33 GMT -5
We've had The Yellow Dog and "Charlie Brown From Outta Town". I guess that'd be sorta similar to what the OP is talking about.
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Post by johnnyk9 on May 20, 2010 21:50:03 GMT -5
my head hurts after reading it but great idea for an angle
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Post by wildojinx on May 20, 2010 21:50:16 GMT -5
We've had The Yellow Dog and "Charlie Brown From Outta Town". I guess that'd be sorta similar to what the OP is talking about. But those were babyfaces who came back as masked babyfaces, not a heel coming in as a masked babyface to swerve the fans/wrestlers. |
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Post by chunkylover53 on May 20, 2010 21:51:52 GMT -5
Well, they've certainly don't similar angles. Mr. America The Machines Los Conquistadores Dean Malenko The problem is building the new masked guy up from scratch. Which is why they've always done the route where it's plainly obvious who is under the mask. You're forgetting The Blazer. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 21, 2010 2:53:44 GMT -5
Well, they've certainly don't similar angles. Mr. America The Machines Los Conquistadores Dean Malenko The problem is building the new masked guy up from scratch. Which is why they've always done the route where it's plainly obvious who is under the mask. You're forgetting The Blazer. Other than spelling Los Conquistadores correctly, I didn't put a whole lot of thought into the post. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 21, 2010 2:54:37 GMT -5
Well, they've certainly don't similar angles. Mr. America The Machines Los Conquistadores Dean Malenko The problem is building the new masked guy up from scratch. Which is why they've always done the route where it's plainly obvious who is under the mask. Who the hell did Mr. America turn out to be? I don't think they ever did a revel on that one. Some guy. Some guy named Gabbo. Or so the Interwebz would have you believe. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 21, 2010 4:44:52 GMT -5
You couldn't really do it now, there's only 1 permanent masked wrestler on the roster, anyone you bring in with a mask everyone will be looking for who it is like the SES run in guy.
And if you've got someone important on the roster who's been gone a while, because there's no point doing this with someone like Chris Masters, you need someone with heat already, people will figure it out.
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Post by dabossftw on May 21, 2010 8:41:47 GMT -5
We've had The Yellow Dog and "Charlie Brown From Outta Town". I guess that'd be sorta similar to what the OP is talking about. But those were babyfaces who came back as masked babyfaces, not a heel coming in as a masked babyface to swerve the fans/wrestlers. Exactly why I made sure to write "sorta similar". |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 21, 2010 16:39:01 GMT -5
I don't know that it could be pulled off in a WWE or TNA (hell, even ROH) given how much promos mean. Plus to be realistic, it would have to last a few months and that would hurt it's chances as well. Chikara pulled off something close to this though with Pinky Sanchez playing Carpenter Ant to get back in Chikara and help set up the BDK. They also kind of did the reverse, with Spyrazul. |
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on May 21, 2010 18:24:31 GMT -5
This hasn't been done in real-life, but in EWT (the old wrestlecrap e-fed), this angle did happen. Heel (DSR) leaves, masked face (El Unorigino) debuts and aligns with faces (The Nyrds). Masked face gets a shot at the title, wins, turns on faces and reveals to be heel. If I remember correctly, this took a few months build, but it literally came out of nowhere and was done beautifully.
I'd love to see something similar happen in any of the comapnies, but it would require a lot of planning in order to successfully pull off.
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Post by rrm15 on May 21, 2010 18:40:50 GMT -5
Its a really cool idea and I'd love to see someone try it. It would take a full body costume as has been mentioned, and a really talented wrestler that could change pretty much their whole style.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 21, 2010 18:49:31 GMT -5
The Miz was "banned from Raw after losing to Cena
He returned the next week as The Calgary kid and won a Raw contract by beating Eugene
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Post by T Vang is a HO-DADDY~! on May 21, 2010 19:23:25 GMT -5
Kind of similar, Jerry Stubbs in Alabama in the 70s and 80s was almost always a heel when portaying Jerry Stubbs and almost always a babyface when portraying the masked Mr. Olympia. The only thing is, he never tried to hide it, he was always just a good guy when he was Olympia and people were cool with it.
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