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Post by Baixo Astral on Aug 19, 2010 10:53:16 GMT -5
Actually, I don't see it as much of a stretch. Surfer has "the power cosmic" and Lantern's got...the lantern. With the whole "yellow deficiency" gone now, DC's never actually established what the ring's limits are as far as power goes, just that it's limited. I'd view them as fairly equal. And if Hal can be quick and hit Norin hard and fast enough before his power's drained, I could see GL taking the win. The thing is, GL needs a split second to amp himself up to Surfer's level of strength and speed, and he doesn't have that kind of time. He does? |
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Post by Legion on Aug 19, 2010 11:03:12 GMT -5
The thing is, GL needs a split second to amp himself up to Surfer's level of strength and speed, and he doesn't have that kind of time. He does? Being that he needs to recharge, yes. There will be a moment when he needs to stop and power up, the Surfer just doesnt need. In that moment, The Power Cosmic overcomes whatever the Green Lantern power is, especially being that Surfer already beat a GL once, and that was before his most recent power up from Galactus. Just as an aside, is Superman still vulnerable to magic? Or has that been retconned away? |
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Post by dav on Aug 19, 2010 11:49:17 GMT -5
Being that he needs to recharge, yes. There will be a moment when he needs to stop and power up, the Surfer just doesnt need. In that moment, The Power Cosmic overcomes whatever the Green Lantern power is, especially being that Surfer already beat a GL once, and that was before his most recent power up from Galactus. Just as an aside, is Superman still vulnerable to magic? Or has that been retconned away? He's not vulnerable to magic. He's just not invulnerable against it. He doesn't have a great weakness to it like Kryptonite, it just affects him like most other DC characters. |
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Post by waluigi on Aug 19, 2010 12:41:27 GMT -5
Being that he needs to recharge, yes. There will be a moment when he needs to stop and power up, the Surfer just doesnt need. In that moment, The Power Cosmic overcomes whatever the Green Lantern power is, especially being that Surfer already beat a GL once, and that was before his most recent power up from Galactus. LOL, time out. Is that from the Marvel vs. DC crossover? The one where Storm beat Wonder Woman? We gotta scratch that from the record, jack |
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Aug 19, 2010 12:49:01 GMT -5
Silver Surfer could whoomp all of the DC characters in the OP.
The Power Cosmic is that powerful, plus he can travel/move at the speed of light, so Flash is not going to run circles around him.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 19, 2010 12:51:05 GMT -5
Surfer can absorb any form of energy can't he? If so he can absorb the Lantern's power.
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Post by Cela on Aug 19, 2010 13:46:42 GMT -5
Being that he needs to recharge, yes. There will be a moment when he needs to stop and power up, the Surfer just doesnt need. In that moment, The Power Cosmic overcomes whatever the Green Lantern power is, especially being that Surfer already beat a GL once, and that was before his most recent power up from Galactus. LOL, time out. Is that from the Marvel vs. DC crossover? The one where Storm beat Wonder Woman? We gotta scratch that from the record, jack Don't forget when wolverine beat Lobo. |
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Aug 19, 2010 13:49:51 GMT -5
Being that he needs to recharge, yes. There will be a moment when he needs to stop and power up, the Surfer just doesnt need. In that moment, The Power Cosmic overcomes whatever the Green Lantern power is, especially being that Surfer already beat a GL once, and that was before his most recent power up from Galactus. Just as an aside, is Superman still vulnerable to magic? Or has that been retconned away? He's not vulnerable to magic. He's just not invulnerable against it. He doesn't have a great weakness to it like Kryptonite, it just affects him like most other DC characters. Vulnerable doesn't mean great weakness. If magic can hurt or affect him, then yes; he is vulnerable to magic. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 19, 2010 14:35:09 GMT -5
Let's not forget the goddamn Batman...
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Post by hossfan on Aug 19, 2010 15:09:25 GMT -5
Silver Surfer could whoomp all of the DC characters in the OP. The Power Cosmic is that powerful, plus he can travel/move at the speed of light, so Flash is not going to run circles around him. Black Panther got Silver Surfer to tap out after putting him in a Wakandan Armbar. If he can beat Surfer, then any of DC's big guns can. |
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Post by Cela on Aug 19, 2010 15:13:17 GMT -5
Silver Surfer could whoomp all of the DC characters in the OP. The Power Cosmic is that powerful, plus he can travel/move at the speed of light, so Flash is not going to run circles around him. Black Panther got Silver Surfer to tap out after putting him in a Wakandan Armbar. If he can beat Surfer, then any of DC's big guns can. What... |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Aug 19, 2010 15:13:43 GMT -5
I know what Batman's gonna do! He's gonna give the MARVEL guys the Taco Bell food he just stole!
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Post by hossfan on Aug 19, 2010 15:16:30 GMT -5
Black Panther got Silver Surfer to tap out after putting him in a Wakandan Armbar. If he can beat Surfer, then any of DC's big guns can. What... It's true. At a point during the FF run when T'challa and Storm were on the team Panther put Silver Surfer into some kind of funky submission hold that dropped him like a bad habit. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 19, 2010 15:16:37 GMT -5
Dead even after 70 votes.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Aug 19, 2010 15:17:06 GMT -5
Black Panther got Silver Surfer to tap out after putting him in a Wakandan Armbar. If he can beat Surfer, then any of DC's big guns can. What... To be fair, if I remember correctly, Black Panther also used some kind of device to drain the Surfer's power....but then again if freaking Black Panther had access to tech like that you can bet your ass that Batman, Green Arrow, and all of the other intelligent rich guys on the DC side could create something similar. |
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Post by dav on Aug 19, 2010 16:06:32 GMT -5
To be fair, if I remember correctly, Black Panther also used some kind of device to drain the Surfer's power....but then again if freaking Black Panther had access to tech like that you can bet your ass that Batman, Green Arrow, and all of the other intelligent rich guys on the DC side could create something similar. Unless Reginald Hudlin's writing it. Then only bla... 'Wakandan' people will have access to it. And refuse to give it to others because of a lack of respect. |
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Post by waluigi on Aug 19, 2010 16:08:35 GMT -5
LOL, time out. Is that from the Marvel vs. DC crossover? The one where Storm beat Wonder Woman? We gotta scratch that from the record, jack Don't forget when wolverine beat Lobo. And Spider-Man shouldn't have given Superboy a fight at all |
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Post by Cyberwoo on Aug 19, 2010 16:50:15 GMT -5
To be fair, if I remember correctly, Black Panther also used some kind of device to drain the Surfer's power....but then again if freaking Black Panther had access to tech like that you can bet your ass that Batman, Green Arrow, and all of the other intelligent rich guys on the DC side could create something similar. By that logic (and the logic of most arguements involving Batman) who ever has the better rich, smart Heroes with the "deus ex machina" power (I.E. "I just came up with a gizmo/plan/armor suit that will defeat this otherwise unbeatable foe!") would be the winner. (and if it does come down to that Ironman>Batman) Also for this reason, for hypotheatical arguements like this (who would win between x and y) I think its unfair to give any party any prep time. It's not a question of if the character could beat the other character given the right plan/condition/ or location. It's more like if they fought 100 times who would win the most times. Kinda like what they do in that Deadlist Warrior show. |
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 19, 2010 17:03:29 GMT -5
Marvel, frankly, isn't much better when it comes to overpowering their characters. Marvel characters look downright normal when you read their description, but their powers get pushed so far above and beyond that that it's ridiculous. DC characters are given a lot of power, but with a few exceptions, the upper limits are defined. Marvel characters are given fewer powers, but have no upper limits. Besides, give them a week to prepare and Iron Man will have developed armor tailor made to neutralize every single one of them. its not so much anymore, but superman could once upon a time do ANYTHING. he was the strongest, fastest, telescopic sight, x-ray hearing, great hair... and flash, no longer just a really fast guy, now can move so fast as to time travel. i understand in a mythos of superman, darkseid, green, yellow, purple, and mauve lanterns, he needs to get a boost or a guy who is 'just really fast' becomes irrelevent, or at best left out of the loop when the big universe threatening stories occur. you're correct, though. i never remember scarlet witch be so powerful. catching up on comic events after not caring about them for years (well, not so recent events really lol) - and she is powerful enough to alter all of reality? its worse than DBZ with the powerups. i have fun discussing these things, as long as people are willing to joke about it a bit Wolverine - Accelerated Healing. Reasonable power, able to take damage. In the Marvel universe, that makes him completely and totally immortal. He can pretty much kamikaze a tank and walk away without a scratch. Magneto - Control over metal. Again, an interesting power. He can stop bullets, make people come up with completely unorthodox ways to fight him. In the Marvel Universe, it means he can give you a heart attack by accelerating the iron in your blood. There was a period where Superman was able to move planets and all, but I don't think they show him being nearly that powerful anymore, and while he has a long list of powers, there are also characters who are better than him at most given powers. But Marvel characters are really just not given limits. That's one of the reasons why Marvel has to come up with bigger and bigger baddies to take them on, because the characters consistently expand what their powers mean, so it becomes the Dragonball effect (well, yeah, we said this guy was the most powerful being in the universe... but this guy is stronger!). Whereas DC, if anything, scales back characters powers more, then gradually begins to increase them again as the story dictates. But, that said, it's not like DC has no powerful villains. It's just that they don't tend to make as many appearances, when they're beaten, they only come back as major story arcs (Except for Doomsday, who got completely neutered). The Anti-Monitor is easily a Galactus level villain. And if we complain of DC characters being given the Mary Sue treatment, I don't see how we can't put Marvel villains in the same light, since the most powerful Marvel villains only tend to lose by way of galactic mcguffin. |
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Post by Legion on Aug 19, 2010 17:22:22 GMT -5
It all depends on the writers, to say 'Marvel makes Wolverine unstopable' blah blah, different writers will show him differently, while they all generally show that he is able to take a great deal of damage, most show that eventually he crashes out and can be taken down.
Same with Superman. He was over the top powerful, then DC hired Byrne to bring him back to decent levels again in the 80s.
I think the problem anyone faces when looking at these lists is that you can never really get past your owns favourites or bias.
I hate Superman. I cannt stand the guy. I hate how he is like Poochie and all the other big guys are always asking where he is during cross overs, and I hate the way he is portrayed as literally being able to do everything, and, more importantly, he is always so morally righteous and up his own arse, but acts all innocent and benevolent. As such, I always back Thor in these things (although, if Superman is hurt by magic more than physical attacks, then frankly, he would go down to magical Thor).
Similarly, Silver Surfer is my favourite character, and although I do think based on his power set and levels, he could take Green Lantern, I get why GL fans are going to say otherwise.
Both sides are guilty of ramping up or down their characters power levels as a story dictates. Galactus in one story is able to wipe out three star systems in one go, in another he can get bitch slapped because a new device or character needs a put over. Same with DC and their people.
The only thing that is for certain is that zombies, be they Marvel type or Black Lantern type, can take out the bloody lot of them!
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