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Post by corndog on Mar 12, 2010 15:50:14 GMT -5
This question is not about how well the name was recognized, or even mainstream attention. It is about if at this current point TNA is drawing more fans period. It seems like the tv ratings when ECW was on TNN(which is the same network, before it was renamed and repackaged) are pretty much the same. Althought TNA can be higher at times, it can also be lower, while ECW would sit consistently at around 1.1. Overseas TNA does more, because it actually travels outside of the US, but in the US, ECW seemed to draw about the same, although doing alot of shows in smaller venues like Hammerstein and the "ECW Arena", they could draw crowds of 4,000 to even over 7,000 for ppv events. Also I believe ECW may have beat them in ppv sales also, but I am not sure about that. So has TNA even surpassed the fanbase of the #3 company from the 90s, which wouldn't even think about going against the big two?
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 12, 2010 16:39:40 GMT -5
Yes, the highest ratings for TNA are higher than the highest ones for ECW.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Mar 12, 2010 16:56:29 GMT -5
Ratings... but not live events or buy rates.
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Post by dh03grad on Mar 12, 2010 17:46:26 GMT -5
No. ECW regularly did buyrates higher than the highest TNA buyrate (Genesis 2006), and sold out arenas up until the end.
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Post by corndog on Mar 12, 2010 17:51:38 GMT -5
I just looked up buyrates, ECW averaged around .25, give or take a few which translated to around 100,000 buys. TNA's last ppv of 2009 only got around 20,000 buys. A huge difference, although ECW's buys were probably higher due to lower cost and the fact that during most of their existence and even ppv era(97-00), they didn't have a national television audience.
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Post by thatguybayne on Mar 12, 2010 18:33:41 GMT -5
TNA also has TV deals in other countries like my country Australia. I don't remember ECW being shown down here.
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Post by BLOODY™ on Mar 12, 2010 18:41:25 GMT -5
ECW was nowhere near the global impact TNA has brought upon the wrestling world. Countless appaeances in Japan, Australia, and other foreign countries.
ECW stayed in there little hut in Philidelphia.
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Post by corndog on Mar 12, 2010 19:23:31 GMT -5
I stated that ECW didn't do anything overseas and TNA has done well globally and tours overseas. I guess maybe I should have stated in the states. But as far as the US goes, from 98-00 ECW toured pretty much the same area in the US as TNA does. They covered the northeast obviously, but also did shows in parts of the midwest and many shows in the southeast which TNA covers. As far as the US goes, TNA may occasionally go to areas ECW didn't, but very rarely goes west of the Mississippi.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Mar 12, 2010 20:06:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't remember a single ECW show (the original, not WWECW) anywhere in the South (Georgia, Tennessee, etc).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 20:16:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't remember a single ECW show (the original, not WWECW) anywhere in the South (Georgia, Tennessee, etc). They did some shows in Louisiana if I recall......
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Post by 4TheGlory on Mar 12, 2010 20:19:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't remember a single ECW show (the original, not WWECW) anywhere in the South (Georgia, Tennessee, etc). They did some shows in Louisiana if I recall...... They did Florida as well. ECW did branch out of the north east alot more then most remember
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Post by 4TheGlory on Mar 12, 2010 20:30:12 GMT -5
Its kind of hard to tell, as ECW had alot better attendance (it was all paid too) and their highest buyrate ever surpassed TNA's best ever.
But to TNA's credit there has been 296 episodes of TNA impact, which surpassed Monday Nitro's total number of episodes (284). So its longevity with the audience is much more reliable. Which to me means more episodes and more years on TV = bigger fanbase
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Post by American Dragon on Mar 12, 2010 22:42:07 GMT -5
ECW stayed in there little hut in Philidelphia. Hey, there was nothing wrong with that "little hut"
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Post by jobsquad on Mar 12, 2010 22:58:37 GMT -5
ECW stayed in there little hut in Philidelphia. Hey, there was nothing wrong with that "little hut" Yeah, especially considering TNA stays in a little hut in Orlando that everyone gets into for free.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 12, 2010 23:01:16 GMT -5
TNA has drawn more, IMHO.
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Post by jobsquad on Mar 12, 2010 23:11:27 GMT -5
I think, in perspective, if we could have the option of TNA or the real ECW, which one would we watch?
ECW was a cult like movement that wrestling had never seen before. TNA has had broadband internet to use this whole time. Imagine if ECW had the marketing tools available to them?
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Post by agent817 on Mar 12, 2010 23:34:35 GMT -5
I'm still surprised, to this day, that ECW came to California. ECW mostly did shows in the East Coast, or mainly the North East. I know they had Anarchy Rulz 1999 in Chicago, but they usually did shows in Philly, NY, or sometimes in NJ. They actually had Heatwave 2000 in LA, California. I guess that was the only time they ever did a show in the West.
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Post by deeks on Mar 12, 2010 23:42:06 GMT -5
ECW was also at its peak during the last wrestling boom. At a time when RAW was peaking at 6.0 during the late 90s and Nitro was still doing over a 3.0. Just think of how large an audience was watching on Monday nights. Smackdown was getting about a 5.0. Thunder was even doing good ratings. There was just a huge audience for wrestling that left. WWE has been trying for years to build that audience again with no success. It's just gone unless competition returns. So TNA is operating in a climate with far fewer wrestling fans to draw from than ECW in the mid to late 90s. Back then, the United States could support two major companies and another smaller national company. Today it can only support one major and one smaller semi-major. And then a bunch of indies. There is nothing close to ECW out there now. ECW was a cult like movement that wrestling had never seen before. TNA has had broadband internet to use this whole time. Imagine if ECW had the marketing tools available to them? The flip side is to think of how many PPV buys they probably would have lost to fans pirating streams. It could have sunk the company.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 13, 2010 0:30:46 GMT -5
If it was just America, I think ECW would have TNA beat.
However, TNA has much more of a global appeal. Especially in countries like the UK, Japan, and Australia. So I'd say TNA ends up beating out ECW.
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Post by celticjobber on Mar 13, 2010 1:51:09 GMT -5
Aside from TV ratings (which were pretty similar) atleast in the US, ECW was a bigger draw, by far. They also had more name recognition.
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