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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 0:13:47 GMT -5
-1 viewer is what it really means.
Does TNA care about losing viewers? "Not viewers like Lance!" I'm sure many will say.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Apr 7, 2010 0:14:54 GMT -5
Well, if it stops the people bitching about his legit gripes, I'm all for it. This. If we can get away from the vitriol that comes from him stating an opinion that others disagree with, the better. My problem is the people who have the sense that Storm never being a "draw" means his opinions are worthless. This mostly coming from people who's only wrestling experience is watching it on TV. Lance is right to his opinion, and while I haven't read every single one of his rants on the product, I don't think he's calling fans of the products "idiots" or "sheep". It's just how he feels TNA is doing the wrong things at this point in time.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 7, 2010 0:20:43 GMT -5
So, he stops watching because 1) the chair shot and 2) Rob looks like he's on roids, both he says are seemingly glorifying the things that killed other wrestlers. I think he jumped a little too far in his conclusions. It's a good point to make about health, but he just jumped way too far into it. From what I got from it, the reason he Lance is boycotting is because TNA glorified an unprotected headshot, something he's spoken out against before, days after Kanyon committed suicide. While nothing has been proven as of yet with regards to Kanyon, with all that has been learned by the Sports Legacy Institute, it's very likely that concussions, and brain injury/damage may have had an effect on his depression and mood. Basically, he felt it was a very insensitive thing to do given the circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 0:26:03 GMT -5
So, he stops watching because 1) the chair shot and 2) Rob looks like he's on roids, both he says are seemingly glorifying the things that killed other wrestlers. I think he jumped a little too far in his conclusions. It's a good point to make about health, but he just jumped way too far into it. You've got to read the whole article Sin, he said that the chair shot was the straw that broke the camel's back. In the first paragraph he even said there's other stuff that he won't go into because, on top of everything else that was unappealing to Lance about iMPACT - the Ter-shot to the head was the final straw. Let's not jump to conclusions here people.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 7, 2010 0:28:28 GMT -5
So, he stops watching because 1) the chair shot and 2) Rob looks like he's on roids, both he says are seemingly glorifying the things that killed other wrestlers. I think he jumped a little too far in his conclusions. It's a good point to make about health, but he just jumped way too far into it. You've got to read the whole article Sin, he said that the chair shot was the straw that broke the camel's back. In the first paragraph he even said there's other stuff that he won't go into because, on top of everything else that was unappealing to Lance about iMPACT - the Ter-shot to the head was the final straw. Let's not jump to conclusions here people. Yeah, in the first paragraph he mentions the chair, but later in another, he talks about Terry's push becaue of how he looks and goes into the pills and stuff that other people did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 0:32:15 GMT -5
You've got to read the whole article Sin, he said that the chair shot was the straw that broke the camel's back. In the first paragraph he even said there's other stuff that he won't go into because, on top of everything else that was unappealing to Lance about iMPACT - the Ter-shot to the head was the final straw. Let's not jump to conclusions here people. Yeah, in the first paragraph he mentions the chair, but later in another, he talks about Terry's push becaue of how he looks and goes into the pills and stuff that other people did. Very. First. Line. "Well folks I’m done. I’m not going to rant, I’m not going to tell you all the things I hated about Impact this week, because none of it matters, I’m just done; I’m done watching Impact for good." Its pretty clear he hated alot more than the chair shot which added to why he doesn't want to watch. Again - lets not jump to conclusions.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Apr 7, 2010 0:32:37 GMT -5
You've got to read the whole article Sin, he said that the chair shot was the straw that broke the camel's back. In the first paragraph he even said there's other stuff that he won't go into because, on top of everything else that was unappealing to Lance about iMPACT - the Ter-shot to the head was the final straw. Let's not jump to conclusions here people. Yeah, in the first paragraph he mentions the chair, but later in another, he talks about Terry's push becaue of how he looks and goes into the pills and stuff that other people did. Which, to be honest, may not be too far from the truth. The way that guy's jacked cannot be natural.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 7, 2010 0:36:45 GMT -5
Yeah, in the first paragraph he mentions the chair, but later in another, he talks about Terry's push becaue of how he looks and goes into the pills and stuff that other people did. Very. First. Line. "Well folks I’m done. I’m not going to rant, I’m not going to tell you all the things I hated about Impact this week, because none of it matters, I’m just done; I’m done watching Impact for good." Its pretty clear he hated alot more than the chair shot which added to why he doesn't want to watch. Again - lets not jump to conclusions. What jumping to conclusions? I was talking about his boycott, which focused on the point he's making about the chair shot and the whole pill argument that he links to others. Wait, why the hell is this an argument?!
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Post by Orange on Apr 7, 2010 0:39:07 GMT -5
I don't typically agree with Storm's comments but he'll be back eventually IMO. If only to find things wrong with it he'll be back.
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Post by Ragnal on Apr 7, 2010 0:43:40 GMT -5
Very. First. Line. "Well folks I’m done. I’m not going to rant, I’m not going to tell you all the things I hated about Impact this week, because none of it matters, I’m just done; I’m done watching Impact for good." Its pretty clear he hated alot more than the chair shot which added to why he doesn't want to watch. Again - lets not jump to conclusions. What jumping to conclusions? I was talking about his boycott, which focused on the point he's making about the chair shot and the whole pill argument that he links to others. Wait, why the hell is this an argument?! He's basically saying you think it's only because of two things that Lance is quitting watching, while pointing out that at the start there's a lot more to it, but isn't going to go into it.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Apr 7, 2010 0:55:00 GMT -5
I didn't read past the unprotected chairshot rant. Why? Storm was in ECW.
Hell, I remember watching Sandman/Sabu or Awesome/Tanaka and losing count of the unprotected chairshots.
I'm sure Storm has more reasoning beyond the chairshot issue, but him citing that as a reason is just lame and hypocritical.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Apr 7, 2010 0:59:04 GMT -5
You can read and re read Lance's post over and over and pick up everything except for what I believe is the key to it all. At the bottom of the post is a long, way too long, list of dead wrestlers. Not just any list of dead people, a list of people that Lance had worked with and who he considered to be his friends.
Think about that for a minute. Then, troubling as it may be, try and make a list of all your own friends who have ever died. Done that? Ok. Now highlight everyone on it who died "too young", or at an earlier age than you would reasonably have expected. Ok, now look at that list of highlighted names and put a highlight, next to the people who all died as a result of the business that they worked in. Finally, if there are any names left, highlight all the ones that you yourself worked in the same business with. Now if everyone who posts on this entire board puts all of the names they have left together in one list, I'm willing to bet that it still wouldn't have as many names on it as the list Lance Storm has posted.
With that thought in mind, re read Lance's comments. There's a perspective in his post that is right there in plain sight, yet so easy to miss if you aren't looking for it specifically.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 7, 2010 1:03:54 GMT -5
I didn't read past the unprotected chairshot rant. Why? Storm was in ECW. And I worked at McDonald's. Does that mean I can't complain that they (and other fast food restaurants) are having a very negative impact on many people's health?
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Post by Cyno on Apr 7, 2010 1:07:12 GMT -5
I didn't read past the unprotected chairshot rant. Why? Storm was in ECW. Hell, I remember watching Sandman/Sabu or Awesome/Tanaka and losing count of the unprotected chairshots. I'm sure Storm has more reasoning beyond the chairshot issue, but him citing that as a reason is just lame and hypocritical. Because changing your mind on a subject after 15 years and seeing many of your friends die makes you a hypocrite. No sir. Once you have an opinion, you have to stick with it for life! :rolleyes:
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Post by Bubble Lead on Apr 7, 2010 1:08:32 GMT -5
You can read and re read Lance's post over and over and pick up everything except for what I believe is the key to it all. At the bottom of the post is a long, way too long, list of dead wrestlers. Not just any list of dead people, a list of people that Lance had worked with and who he considered to be his friends. Think about that for a minute. Then, troubling as it may be, try and make a list of all your own friends who have ever died. Done that? Ok. Now highlight everyone on it who died "too young", or at an earlier age than you would reasonably have expected. Ok, now look at that list of highlighted names and put a highlight, next to the people who all died as a result of the business that they worked in. Finally, if there are any names left, highlight all the ones that you yourself worked in the same business with. Now if everyone who posts on this entire board puts all of the names they have left together in one list, I'm willing to bet that it still wouldn't have as many names on it as the list Lance Storm has posted. With that thought in mind, re read Lance's comments. There's a perspective in his post that is right there in plain sight, yet so easy to miss if you aren't looking for it specifically. I understand Lance's perspective. Keep in mind, I do not advocate unprotected chairshots. Stuff like the Foley vs. Rock I Quit Match make me cringe, even if it was entertaining to me when it happened. I just think that things like the traveling lifestyle, the nature of the business and drug abuse contribute a lot more to wrestling deaths than unprotected chairshots. If a wrestler is doing them every night, there is an issue and that definitely shouldn't be happening. However, the occasional one, if the wrestler really wants to go through with it? I can't see an issue anymore than a wrestler agreeing to take a dangerous table bump or a Burning Hammer. There's danger involved, but that's the profession. I've taken unprotected chairshots and they hurt like hell. I wouldn't want to take them very often if I could avoid it. However, I see why a wrestler would agree to take one if he thought it was worth a hot angle (see Dreamer vs. Raven chairshot around the world). These things shouldn't be happening frequently and should only be done when needed, but for all the wrestling deaths I can point to a guy like Raven that took tons of chairshots and abused drugs and is relatively fine now. He isn't out to kill his family or himself. Then I can point to a guy like Renegade from WCW who, to my knowledge never took a sick bump or chairshot yet ended up killing himself.
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Post by josh on Apr 7, 2010 1:08:42 GMT -5
I could take Storm's rant more seriously if he hadn't been an insane drama queen about TNA in the past. I mean I'm sure he feels concerned but one would have to wonder if he would have even mentioned it on his site if WWE did or just left it alone. It's sad he's lost all of those friends and I do feel legitimately sorry for him, but his over-the-top attitude when it comes to TNA made this column much less i(MPACT)ful. At least to me.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 7, 2010 1:10:04 GMT -5
I didn't read past the unprotected chairshot rant. Why? Storm was in ECW. Hell, I remember watching Sandman/Sabu or Awesome/Tanaka and losing count of the unprotected chairshots. I'm sure Storm has more reasoning beyond the chairshot issue, but him citing that as a reason is just lame and hypocritical. I doubt he knew then what he knows now about the consequences. that, and seeing a good dozen or so friends die will have an impact on someone.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Apr 7, 2010 1:13:57 GMT -5
I didn't read past the unprotected chairshot rant. Why? Storm was in ECW. Hell, I remember watching Sandman/Sabu or Awesome/Tanaka and losing count of the unprotected chairshots. I'm sure Storm has more reasoning beyond the chairshot issue, but him citing that as a reason is just lame and hypocritical. Because changing your mind on a subject after 15 years and seeing many of your friends die makes you a hypocrite. No sir. Once you have an opinion, you have to stick with it for life! :rolleyes: Not really. I just think he is overreacting. One unprotected chairshot on a show does not equate to what, as a hardcore ECW viewer, I can average out to probably at least 5-10 unprotected chairshots per ECW show. Yes, time changes perspectives and views. Yet, should WWE ban the Superplex? Should I be sickened by WWE continuing to use it? One Superplex put Chris Benoit out for almost a year less than a decade ago.
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Post by Orange on Apr 7, 2010 1:27:15 GMT -5
I could take Storm's rant more seriously if he hadn't been an insane drama queen about TNA in the past. I mean I'm sure he feels concerned but one would have to wonder if he would have even mentioned it on his site if WWE did or just left it alone. It's sad he's lost all of those friends and I do feel legitimately sorry for him, but his over-the-top attitude when it comes to TNA made this column much less i(MPACT)ful. At least to me. I agree with you, he has an opinion on TNA that it's not very good and that's fine, but he's so over the top with it it's pathetic. I know he doesn't like TNA but he wants to make DAMN SURE that you know it too, and like I said it's fine if you don't like the company, everybody is entitled to their opinion but Storm is so overdramatic with expressing his opinion.
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Post by Sparvid on Apr 7, 2010 1:30:42 GMT -5
I didn't read past the unprotected chairshot rant. Why? Storm was in ECW. Hell, I remember watching Sandman/Sabu or Awesome/Tanaka and losing count of the unprotected chairshots. I'm sure Storm has more reasoning beyond the chairshot issue, but him citing that as a reason is just lame and hypocritical. Because changing your mind on a subject after 15 years and seeing many of your friends die makes you a hypocrite. No sir. Once you have an opinion, you have to stick with it for life! :rolleyes: Also, isn't one of the things Storm's known for the really weak chair shots on RVD at Barely Legal?
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