Mecca
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Post by Mecca on Jul 22, 2010 17:01:34 GMT -5
The irony of the ECW angle and Paul Heyman is that sources close to both Dixie Carter and Heyman, as well as Heyman himself, all confirm that on 7/8, when Heyman flew to Nashville to meet with Carter at her home, that Heyman told her he was against the angle. What is interesting is those close to Carter were well aware there was no deal after the meeting, yet she and Jeff Jarrett still hinted about their secret meeting with an unknown person and how changes were coming, teasing a surprise on the PPV. There were key people in the TNA organization fully aware Heyman wasn’t coming and there was no surprise past some sort of ECW angle coming that everyone had known about for weeks.
That's from Meltzer...talk about being shady.
Oh and also
Jason Powell claims that Dixie just recently saw the Heyman interview with Dave and Bryan (the one from right after the Lesnar fight, I guess). And she's since been in a foul mood.
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AriadosMan
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 22, 2010 17:19:31 GMT -5
ECDub stuff doesn't exactly grow the TNA brand.
Oh yeah, and I almost forgot...
NEWZ!!!1 How dare you question Dixie! The Great Pumpkin is comin' to TNA!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 17:33:12 GMT -5
This doesn't surprise me in the least.
Off-topic: Did anything ever come of Jarrett's Twitter clues?
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Post by donners on Jul 22, 2010 17:44:16 GMT -5
This doesn't surprise me in the least. Off-topic: Did anything ever come of Jarrett's Twitter clues? Foley. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 22, 2010 17:55:06 GMT -5
This doesn't surprise me in the least. Off-topic: Did anything ever come of Jarrett's Twitter clues? Foley. No, cause he was still posting them after he showed up again. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 22, 2010 18:00:31 GMT -5
As for the story, this goes against the PWInsider story. There, the angle was changed in the last moment by Tommy Dreamer in order to try something else, so that would mean Dixie wouldn't have known about it until the 12, or 11th at the earliest. So why would Heyman have known about it on the 8th if she herself wouldn't have known about it at that time.
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ICBM
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Post by ICBM on Jul 22, 2010 18:39:07 GMT -5
The Heyman deal likely will not happen and everyone should probabily stop with the "This guy is gonna save TNA" threads. Most said this of Hogan or Bischoff and we got both but now it hasn't popped as we thought. No single man can change TNA unless he comes in with $50mil to spend. They need one thing that WWE has and WCW had history. They were established brands for years and in such had generations of fans.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jul 22, 2010 19:58:54 GMT -5
I don't remember many fans saying that Hogan and Bischoff would save TNA though. I remember fans saying that they could at least make it a little more like a traditional wrestling show and improve the production values, and I think it's safe to say that they've at least done that. I'd actually say that Hogan and Bischoff have done better in TNA than most fans foresaw.
As far as Heyman goes, I really do hope he shows up. Not because I think he'll save TNA, but because I love his booking style, on air character, and his commentary. Anything that he could do in TNA would be a positive IMO, so I'm all for it. He's also the only person since Angle that I'm excited about coming to the company.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Jul 22, 2010 20:07:39 GMT -5
As far as the camera crew, the editing, and the production values. Bischoff-Hervey have done a great job in making TNA actually look good as a wrestling product. Thing is the venue they are in makes them look very second rate.
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ICBM
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Post by ICBM on Jul 22, 2010 21:10:20 GMT -5
As far as the camera crew, the editing, and the production values. Bischoff-Hervey have done a great job in making TNA actually look good as a wrestling product. Thing is the venue they are in makes them look very second rate. But the venue they are in is the only reason they survived long enough to still be running shows and expand at the rate they have. It is expensive to run live tv shows from new venues every week and unless you are an established brand like wcw wwf ecw awa nwa ect. you will just be spending yourself into a death spiral. The Impact zone looks minor league but it is cheap and they get a helluva lot of miles outta that place. One day they can do road shows but not now and not this year |
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Post by golding on Jul 22, 2010 21:24:34 GMT -5
Title of the thread aside, this is a story that I can at least find credible. Heyman's been pretty clear that he thinks that the era of extreme has passed, and that TNA should be creating a new identity.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jul 22, 2010 21:26:55 GMT -5
As far as the camera crew, the editing, and the production values. Bischoff-Hervey have done a great job in making TNA actually look good as a wrestling product. Thing is the venue they are in makes them look very second rate. But the venue they are in is the only reason they survived long enough to still be running shows and expand at the rate they have. It is expensive to run live tv shows from new venues every week and unless you are an established brand like wcw wwf ecw awa nwa ect. you will just be spending yourself into a death spiral. The Impact zone looks minor league but it is cheap and they get a helluva lot of miles outta that place. One day they can do road shows but not now and not this year I'm split on how I feel about the Impact zone. It's not really that bad for the weekly shows, but it's really lame that they do so many PPV's there. I don't think that it makes them look low budget because they really don't, but the arena itself is set up in an odd way. I like how it looked when they were in the Asylum. I don't know how big the crowds were there, but it always looked good on TV, whereas the Impact Zone doesn't look like anything like a typical wrestling arena. And if they're able to do house shows in different places, why can't they do TV like that? Would it just be too expensive to move all the equipment and pay for the production crew to travel? |
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Post by hajimenoippo on Jul 22, 2010 21:37:48 GMT -5
Title of the thread aside, this is a story that I can at least find credible. Heyman's been pretty clear that he thinks that the era of extreme has passed, and that TNA should be creating a new identity. In his write up, he says TNA doesn't have a brand name, and now TNA will try to market ECW as a TNA product. THat makes no sense. It's like he's saying, find your own niche, and leave mine alone. |
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jul 22, 2010 21:38:49 GMT -5
Glad this got posted because I was thinking the same thing. I didn't think it was plausible that Heyman would even endorse an ECW reunion in TNA, let alone be the guy in charge of running it.
It is very unsettling to read these reports about her seemingly desperate attempts at securing Heyman. I dunno if they're true or not but good lord, if they are, that's bad.
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ICBM
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Post by ICBM on Jul 22, 2010 21:44:26 GMT -5
"And if they're able to do house shows in different places, why can't they do TV like that? Would it just be too expensive to move all the equipment and pay for the production crew to travel?"
In a word Yes. The Impact zone has props, set pieces, hard cameras set up, tested and validated, sound set up tested and validated, gauruanteed hot crowd every week(free or not it's a crowd). All of your guys stay in the local area for tv so trans in a non issue.
If you go on the road your camera guys have to canvass the arena early to get the right areas scouted for camera shots they want, then they have to test, then validate with the director ho has to get with the booker before the show because he might have something else in mind that undoes your whole morning's work. By the way you have to pay to have your whole camera and tv production staff/equipment, trucks shipped thousands of miles a month ain't cheap.
Then sound same deal
Catering
Pay the main event guys travel
Pay for the venue, advertising ect and hope you make it back in t-shirts and popcorn
Make sure you give the best product possible otherwise the network that pays you won't accept your show and will think twice before re-upping at the same price next time the deal comes up
So yes expensive
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jul 22, 2010 22:08:27 GMT -5
Title of the thread aside, this is a story that I can at least find credible. Heyman's been pretty clear that he thinks that the era of extreme has passed, and that TNA should be creating a new identity. I agree that they need their own stuff. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 22, 2010 22:18:23 GMT -5
Title of the thread aside, this is a story that I can at least find credible. Heyman's been pretty clear that he thinks that the era of extreme has passed, and that TNA should be creating a new identity. In his write up, he says TNA doesn't have a brand name, and now TNA will try to market ECW as a TNA product. THat makes no sense. It's like he's saying, find your own niche, and leave mine alone. The thing is, according to PWI, this isn't something TNa was going for, it was something suggested by Dreamer last week they decided to try and experiment with. That's why my last post was arguing that it goes against this one since the idea wasn't apparently known until the tapings happened or a bit before. So Heyman really couldn't have known. |
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Post by Bollywood Bunty on Jul 22, 2010 22:35:28 GMT -5
Title of the thread aside, this is a story that I can at least find credible. Heyman's been pretty clear that he thinks that the era of extreme has passed, and that TNA should be creating a new identity. Like a six sided ring. |
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Post by golding on Jul 22, 2010 23:38:13 GMT -5
Bleh. Just having something that is singularly different isn't an identity. I didn't necessarily mind the 6-sided ring, but I'm glad they went back to 4 sides. The wrestlers seem more comfortable with it. |
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Post by corndog on Jul 23, 2010 0:35:54 GMT -5
My favorite line was when Dixie Carter said "what Hulk Hogan was to wrestling in the 80s, ECW was to the 90s." So TNA is obviously just digging up relics of wrestlings past, I can see why Heyman doesn't want involvement. Besides ECW already had their last chance, actually three times, but mainly with the "One Night Stand" PPVs, and later the tv show, which for a short period of time looked like the original. Now they are doing the same thing without the ECW licensing, great.
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