Turd Ferguson
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Jul 20, 2010 13:38:58 GMT -5
They're calling the show "Hardcore Justice"? It's like they went out of their way to make it sound even more like a gay porn than a wrestling show. TNA: Hardcore Justice "One Night Stand". That right there just sounds like a porno in general. It will be like, Guy 1"Hey dude, what are you watching tonight?" Guy 2 "I'm watching TNA: Hardcore Justice "One Night Stand". Guy 1: "Is that a porno?" Guy 2: "No it's a bunch of guys "wrestling". Guy 1 walks away and doesn't come back. So much STIFF competition, and with tensions MOUNTING, there's bound to be an ERUPTION. There's a BUNCH OF GUYS that SLIPPED IN THE BACK DOOR and disrespected Jeff Jarrett by spitting pretty much ALL OVER HIS FACE. It's about respect, and all of this nonsense has been pretty HARD TO SWALLOW.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 20, 2010 13:41:05 GMT -5
It's not One Night Stand, it's One Last Stand.
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Post by Jacob Lee on Jul 20, 2010 13:57:27 GMT -5
Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle drew 40,000 buys for one of the PPV encounters. This was the reported highest buy rate for a TNA PPV. Are any of them being featured in a proper way?
Nope.
TNA Impact ratings show the MCMG/Beer Money match as the highest rated segment on the show. Are any of them being featured in a prominent fashion?
Nope.
ECW died a horrible death with millions of debt even though they were a regional promotion. Everybody is ten years older and not a single one of those men(with the exception of RVD) have drawn anything in over ten years. Are they the focus of the upcoming PPV event.
Yep.
This company is begging people to hate them. I want MCMG, Beer Money, Joe, AJ, Wolfe(Who the fans apparently liked as a #1 Contender so they had to kill that) and Kurt Angle as the focus. But what do I know? I just pay them monthly for their horrible product.
IF this card is booked in the way it appears it's going to be then I will be done with TNA forever. They're supposed to be an alternative to the WWE. How is it that ROH has no budget, is on a terrible HD Net channel, makes most their money on DVD sales AND STILL has created more stars in the last ten years than TNA?
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 20, 2010 14:12:38 GMT -5
TNA reminds me in a lot of ways of a team like the Washington Redskins, who spend a ton on free agents that never entirely work out, guys past their prime and so on. Or maybe the Orioles in baseball terms.
The truly hilarious aspect of this show is the potential main event. RVD vs. Lynn? I have to say I was weary of that feud 10 years ago and don't have much need for it other than a one shot TV match. But what's funny is that Abyss cut that promo last week wanting RVD to face him in the most violent, extreme, hardcore brawl in history....which apparently won't be on the actual Hardcore PPV. Instead RVD/Lynn would be a largely technical match, haha.
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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Jul 20, 2010 14:20:28 GMT -5
Another thing is, I hope they get on the borderline of ultraviolent and extreme hardcore. I would watch this PPV to see how bad it would be.
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Post by Jacob Lee on Jul 20, 2010 14:30:32 GMT -5
TNA reminds me in a lot of ways of a team like the Washington Redskins, who spend a ton on free agents that never entirely work out, guys past their prime and so on. Or maybe the Orioles in baseball terms. The truly hilarious aspect of this show is the potential main event. RVD vs. Lynn? I have to say I was weary of that feud 10 years ago and don't have much need for it other than a one shot TV match. But what's funny is that Abyss cut that promo last week wanting RVD to face him in the most violent, extreme, hardcore brawl in history....which apparently won't be on the actual Hardcore PPV. Instead RVD/Lynn would be a largely technical match, haha. Exactly. The only difference is that the Washington Redskins at different points of history have been at the pinnacle of their business.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 14:42:43 GMT -5
Its really funny to call the PPV "One Last Stand."
I'm not forecasting TNA closing its doors or anything, I just think its funny.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 20, 2010 14:48:23 GMT -5
Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle drew 40,000 buys for one of the PPV encounters. This was the reported highest buy rate for a TNA PPV. Are any of them being featured in a proper way? Even better actually, the reported buys were 60,000.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 20, 2010 15:02:12 GMT -5
Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle drew 40,000 buys for one of the PPV encounters. This was the reported highest buy rate for a TNA PPV. Are any of them being featured in a proper way? Nope. TNA Impact ratings show the MCMG/Beer Money match as the highest rated segment on the show. Are any of them being featured in a prominent fashion? Nope. ECW died a horrible death with millions of debt even though they were a regional promotion. Everybody is ten years older and not a single one of those men(with the exception of RVD) have drawn anything in over ten years. Are they the focus of the upcoming PPV event. Yep. This company is begging people to hate them. I want MCMG, Beer Money, Joe, AJ, Wolfe(Who the fans apparently liked as a #1 Contender so they had to kill that) and Kurt Angle as the focus. But what do I know? I just pay them monthly for their horrible product. IF this card is booked in the way it appears it's going to be then I will be done with TNA forever. They're supposed to be an alternative to the WWE. How is it that ROH has no budget, is on a terrible HD Net channel, makes most their money on DVD sales AND STILL has created more stars in the last ten years than TNA? There's a lot wrong with what you just posted. Besides the fact that you think KURT ANGLE isn't featured at all, that you're ready to say how all those people are ignored for ECW on a throwaway PPV. And if you think their product is horrible, why the hell do you pay for it monthly?
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Post by metylerca on Jul 20, 2010 15:05:57 GMT -5
It's not One Night Stand, it's One Last Stand. The fact that you have to correct the single word to distinguish it from an old WWE PPV to a current TNA PPV is very telling.
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Post by Jacob Lee on Jul 20, 2010 15:38:40 GMT -5
There's a lot wrong with what you just posted. Besides the fact that you think KURT ANGLE isn't featured at all, that you're ready to say how all those people are ignored for ECW on a throwaway PPV. And if you think their product is horrible, why the hell do you pay for it monthly? I didn't say he wasn't featured. I said he and Joe, who actually as somebody pointed out drew 60,000 buys(not the 40,000 I stated), are no longer the true focus of the shows even though they drew the best the company ever has. I didn't say they would not be featured. Second, you are saying this is a throwaway PPV. NOTHING that a company pays to put on should be considered "throwaway" by any means. Third, I was pointing out TNA has a great roster and they've cut the legs out of a lot of the guys who are drawing for them on a consistent basis. Instead of them trying to build those guys up they keep pushing them aside for a pie in the sky idea. Finally, you say that if I find the product horrible I shouldn't pay for it. I can't really disagree with you here. I order their PPVs because I like wrestlers making money and want TNA to actually stay open. It's the same reason I bought their video game even though I knew how bad it was. I respectfully disagree with you on some points, but value your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 15:45:45 GMT -5
I hope they book Axl Rotten vs. Ian Rotten in a Thai Restaurant Death Match.
I also hope they try to bring in Kenta Kobashi for a 5 Star with Angle, but on the night of the show they realize they accidentally booked Kobayashi of Hot Dog eating fame, so they insert him into the aforementioned Axl/Ian Death Match.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 20, 2010 16:00:18 GMT -5
I didn't say he wasn't featured. I said he and Joe, who actually as somebody pointed out drew 60,000 buys(not the 40,000 I stated), are no longer the true focus of the shows even though they drew the best the company ever has. I didn't say they would not be featured. Then how would you describe a PPV that is not one of the main PPVs and doesn't really resolve any of the stories as much as continue them? How does it cut down anyone, though? if it's true that the angles don't continue on the show, shouldn't that help to improve the angle, since it's not rushing for a PPV ending/continuation every month? This isn't also gonna stop any of the other guys on the roster to suffer for it.
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Post by Jacob Lee on Jul 20, 2010 16:20:46 GMT -5
My quote says very clearly "featured in a proper way." Why not bold that portion? I'm saying these guys obviously draw and Joe is an afterthought and Angle is just randomly facing people on an ever changing top ten list.
I guess I'm gonna have to agree to disagree. Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe I'm in the minority? To me it looks like they're going backwards and the story lines are bad even by pro wrestling standards, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 18:14:17 GMT -5
My quote says very clearly "featured in a proper way." Why not bold that portion? I'm saying these guys obviously draw and Joe is an afterthought and Angle is just randomly facing people on an ever changing top ten list. I guess I'm gonna have to agree to disagree. Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe I'm in the minority? To me it looks like they're going backwards and the story lines are bad even by pro wrestling standards, but that's just my opinion. No, I agree with you. Angle vs. Joe in the cage at Lockdown was probably the peak of my interest in TNA. In an interview Dutch Mantel said that he doesn't know what happened after that, but he was integral in the formation of that build. He did say that there are a lot of people to answer to backstage at TNA so when someone has a great idea - it can be watered down and bastardized into the current product we see today. (see the film "The TV Set")
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Post by CJ Denton is Egon on Jul 20, 2010 19:01:18 GMT -5
Whats with all the ECW revisionism?
There was a reason why it went under, and it wasn't Paul's money skills.
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Jul 20, 2010 19:51:14 GMT -5
Whereas people watched ECW in 2000 hoping that somebody would die, "ECW"in 2010 creates that as a very real possibility.
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Post by xtremehorseman on Jul 20, 2010 21:15:19 GMT -5
Whats with all the ECW revisionism? There was a reason why it went under, and it wasn't Paul's money skills. ECW was at the peak of it's populerity when it went under so yeah it was "Paul's money skills".
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 20, 2010 22:53:35 GMT -5
Eh, I wouldn't exactly say that ECW was at its peak when it went under. The promotion had been canceled by TNN and really never recovered from that. Heyman made several major mistakes from the point when they signed with TNN. Vince signed Taz and the Dudleys immediately, and Heyman panicked and hotshotted the belt onto Mike Awesome rather than simply stay the course that had been plotted all year for Taz vs. RVD at N2R 99 (which happened anyway, but was for RVD's TV title and not the world title). Awesome's title run was a debacle despite some great matches with Masato Tanaka, since he bolted to WCW with the belt and only court injunctions kept Awesome from burying ECW on Nitro. RVD also got hurt in March 2000, so Heyman couldn't simply put the belt on him when Awesome left, and thus ECW ended up with Justin Credible as champ at his unover peak, and from there it was all over but the shouting. So it was really a combo of Heyman's business moves and his booking going off the rails.
With all that said, I think down the line we'll get to Angle vs. RVD for the title after quite a long build. Isn't that what everyone is wanting, a TNA world title match with a really long and exciting build? It actually baffles me as to why that Angle/Joe match did TNA's biggest buyrate, since it was like the 5th PPV meeting between the two. I guess people simply knew by then that Joe basically HAD to win, with no idiotic Karen Angle run ins or screwy crap.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Jul 21, 2010 0:42:15 GMT -5
At least Hardcore Justice is a step up from Hard Justice. still a porno sounding, now it doesn't sound as gay porno the tag line of "one last stand" still makes it sound like a porn
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