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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 28, 2010 16:30:31 GMT -5
I'm fine with no profanity and less violence, not crazy about matches stopping for blood.
But what drives me insane is the use of branded terms like "universe" and "sports entertainment" being used exclusively. It sounds soulless, corporate, and takes me out of the action when I hear them from the commentators' mouths.
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wwerules60
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Post by wwerules60 on May 28, 2010 16:32:07 GMT -5
The main problem right now is that they seem to have toned down a lot of the ring action, most of the matches now just seem boring and every time something interesting like blood happens they stop the match so that gets my vote.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 16:44:10 GMT -5
Since when there has been a lack of holy s*** spots? That MITB match at Wrestlemania 25 and 26 had plenty of them. Kofi running up a ladder anyone? In fact risky banned finishers like SSP and 450 splashes are back and we just had Batista get F5'd through the ramp off a car injurying his tail bone. Plus there was plenty of Swantom bombs off 15-20 ft ladders or watch that Edge vs. Jeff Hardy ladder match. That front suplex onto the hinges of the ladders always makes me cringe.
Anyways I voted blood cleanup even though it's understanble for Orton vs. Cena and possibly Shelton vs. Christian and Hornswoggle/Watered down tamed Santino.
Edit: Ignore the F5 it's suppose to say FU or AA. It's a typo guys.
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Post by rapidfire187 on May 28, 2010 17:13:55 GMT -5
I voted for no more holy s*** spots, and the blood cleanup thing.
I really don't think that having a huge bump every once in a while contributed to injuries as much as people say. Hell, out of the original TLC guys, Edge and Matt Hardy are the only ones that ever seem to get injured. I can't recall Jeff, Christian, or either of the Dudley's ever missing ring time due to an injury. It seems to me like most injuries come from simple things. Edge injured himself doing a leapfrog, RVD injured himself in ECW doing a baseball slide, Cena got injured from a hiptoss, Orton injured himself punching the mat, etc. I'm not saying that we need to see people falling off the top of the Cell or anything, just that the wrestlers should be allowed to cut loose and really wow the fans every once in a while.
Also with the blood thing, I don't see why they insist on cleaning it up if it happens. I can understand not wanting anybody to blade (but I still think it should be allowed occasionally on PPV), but if someone gets busted open hard way why can't they just let it slide? It's not like a little bit of blood is going to traumatize anybody, and they don't stop legit sports because of blood.
EDIT: I'm not saying that they never have any big spots, but they almost only happen on PPV now and they still don't compare to the stuff we used to see. Like, why can't we have a ladder match on Raw every once in a while, or even someone diving off the titan tron?
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Post by Gerard Gerard on May 28, 2010 17:35:36 GMT -5
because WWE has taught me to have no faith in them. I don't agree with everything you've written but this sums up everything the 'E has been for the last seven years, perfectly. I would love to sit down with Vinnie Mac or Hunter and have'em explain to me the logic of some of their booking from the past decade. I mean, I can understand the main driving force is money and that's fine,that's how it should be but, the outright conversatism they've been favouring for so long, just makes no sense on any good, clear, logical level. See now, there's no excuse for such a practice, if they're able to pull a consistent low 3 rating, then it is safe to assume that audience will stick around for just about anything. There, that's any writer's dream, having an audience, ready and waiting. What's the excuse?
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on May 28, 2010 17:42:55 GMT -5
The lack of holy crap spots and the blood cleanup. THAT'S PART OF WHAT WRESTLING IS ABOUT!*
*: when used appropriately that is
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Post by Celgress on May 28, 2010 18:06:14 GMT -5
"Injury breaks" and blood clean-up
and No more "Holy s***" spots
IMHO, the E is just so humdrum these days. It no longers feels raw and spontaneous.
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Post by Matt Dunn on May 28, 2010 18:09:22 GMT -5
I picked Hornswoggle and Santino but this is flawed because I love Santino but hate Hornswoggle. Should be two different choices.
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Post by DavidArquette on May 28, 2010 18:16:46 GMT -5
All of the above!
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 28, 2010 18:18:03 GMT -5
The sheer number of wrestlers who may as well have emerged from the same fallopian tubes. John Cena, Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase Jr, Rene Dupree, Rob Conway, Eric Esssscobar, Evan Bourne, Curt Hawkins, Vance Archer, Caylen Croft, Trent Barretta, Zack Ryder (pre Woowoowoo), Nick Dinsmore (Pre Eugene), Charlie Haas. They're nearly all tanned, big-but-not-too-big white 20 somethings with boring ring gear and even more boring personas. You'd think WWE would encourage their wrestlers to have a unique look since their idea of character development is "Make an angry/happy face". Even better, just give them some kind of persona. Ok, so we've got John Cena, the guy who is very determined. Randy Orton, the guy who's very determined and angry. Sheamus, the guy who's very pale, determined, and angry. Edge, who's very smart... determined and angry. Undertaker*, who's angry and determined to never retire. Reyrey who's happy until he sees a heel, then he gets very angry and determined, homes dawg homes. This probably is my biggest complaint with the current WWE product, although I don't think the PG rating is responsible for it. If anything, it's the Attitude Era that really foisted the "we don't need gimmicks, everyone should play variations on the same 'tough badass' persona with slightly different sets of catchphrases" idea onto us, and I'm still waiting for wrestling to grow out of that mindset and bring back the evil tax collectors and Puerto Rican ninjas.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on May 28, 2010 18:20:36 GMT -5
The lack of Holy Sh*t spots. I mean, I know we're supposed to be worried about them and whatever, but seriously, if it's an I Quit Match or a Last Man Standing Match or a Hell In The Cell Match, I expect HUGE, BRUTAL SPOTS. The most extreme match at Extreme Rules SHOULD NOT BE THE DIVAS MATCH.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on May 28, 2010 18:48:11 GMT -5
The sheer number of wrestlers who may as well have emerged from the same fallopian tubes. John Cena, Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase Jr, Rene Dupree, Rob Conway, Eric Esssscobar, Evan Bourne, Curt Hawkins, Vance Archer, Caylen Croft, Trent Barretta, Zack Ryder (pre Woowoowoo), Nick Dinsmore (Pre Eugene), Charlie Haas. They're nearly all tanned, big-but-not-too-big white 20 somethings with boring ring gear and even more boring personas. You'd think WWE would encourage their wrestlers to have a unique look since their idea of character development is "Make an angry/happy face". Even better, just give them some kind of persona. Ok, so we've got John Cena, the guy who is very determined. Randy Orton, the guy who's very determined and angry. Sheamus, the guy who's very pale, determined, and angry. Edge, who's very smart... determined and angry. Undertaker*, who's angry and determined to never retire. Reyrey who's happy until he sees a heel, then he gets very angry and determined, homes dawg homes. This probably is my biggest complaint with the current WWE product, although I don't think the PG rating is responsible for it. If anything, it's the Attitude Era that really foisted the "we don't need gimmicks, everyone should play variations on the same 'tough badass' persona with slightly different sets of catchphrases" idea onto us, and I'm still waiting for wrestling to grow out of that mindset and bring back the evil tax collectors and Puerto Rican ninjas. You read my mind. I miss gimmick characters horribly. Yes, a lot of them were over the top and stupid, but they were entertaining. Now, everyone just looks and generally acts the same. Also, I hate the monotony of the current WWE. I could probably not watch a single episode of Raw for two or three months and I wouldn't really have missed much.
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Post by barley96 on May 28, 2010 18:49:53 GMT -5
Since when there has been a lack of holy s*** spots? That MITB match at Wrestlemania 25 and 26 had plenty of them. Kofi running up a ladder anyone? In fact risky banned finishers like SSP and 450 splashes are back and we just had Batista get F5'd through the ramp off a car injurying his tail bone. Plus there was plenty of Swantom bombs off 15-20 ft ladders or watch that Edge vs. Jeff Hardy ladder match. That front suplex onto the hinges of the ladders always makes me cringe. Anyways I voted blood cleanup even though it's understanble for Orton vs. Cena and possibly Shelton vs. Christian and Hornswoggle/Watered down tamed Santino. Please never ever compare the FU to the f5. The FU is a parody of the F5.
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Post by wrasslinmachine on May 28, 2010 19:07:18 GMT -5
The blood cleanup: Come on really? I mean why kill the flow of the match and throw off the wrestlers in the process? I don't care if the match is a bloodbath or not just let them keep wrestling till the match is over. The fans hate it because they boo it everytime, but what do they care right? They have your money anyway.
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Post by Garee on May 28, 2010 19:25:57 GMT -5
The whole no blood thing really gets to me, mainly because in my opinion it really hurts the realism. It really bothers me during "no holds barred" or cage matches. Now I'm not asking for old ECW type bloodbaths, just some blood here and there would help
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 19:29:13 GMT -5
Since when there has been a lack of holy s*** spots? That MITB match at Wrestlemania 25 and 26 had plenty of them. Kofi running up a ladder anyone? In fact risky banned finishers like SSP and 450 splashes are back and we just had Batista get F5'd through the ramp off a car injurying his tail bone. Plus there was plenty of Swantom bombs off 15-20 ft ladders or watch that Edge vs. Jeff Hardy ladder match. That front suplex onto the hinges of the ladders always makes me cringe. Anyways I voted blood cleanup even though it's understanble for Orton vs. Cena and possibly Shelton vs. Christian and Hornswoggle/Watered down tamed Santino. Please never ever compare the FU to the f5. The FU is a parody of the F5. Whooops I made a typo. I don't know how I said F5 instead of FU but somehow I did. My bad.
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Post by lotus on May 28, 2010 19:52:13 GMT -5
Injury "Breaks" and Blood clean up. It's a "sport" where you fight, injuries occur, blood happens, let the two fight until a victor is declared. See: HBK vs Triple H at the Rumble 2004, Mankind vs Undertaker at KotR 1998, and Bret Hart vs Steve Austin at WM 13.
I didn't notice the second vote option deal until after I voted but I wouldn't mind some curse words every now and then if the situation warranted.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 20:05:54 GMT -5
Lack of gimmicks.* * Unless "Guy with short hair, tattoos, trunks, and ridiculous-sounding 'realistic' name" is a gimmick. This probably is my biggest complaint with the current WWE product, although I don't think the PG rating is responsible for it. If anything, it's the Attitude Era that really foisted the "we don't need gimmicks, everyone should play variations on the same 'tough badass' persona with slightly different sets of catchphrases" idea onto us, and I'm still waiting for wrestling to grow out of that mindset and bring back the evil tax collectors and Puerto Rican ninjas. This, this, this, x 100000000000.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on May 28, 2010 20:42:39 GMT -5
None if it. I do not need raunch and blood to be entertained. Neither do I. I also don't need a midget in a leprechaun costume wrestle a tuxedo match while ZZ Top books the matches.
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Post by Nuke is Good on May 28, 2010 21:14:16 GMT -5
I wanted to vote for everything minus John Cena. Cena can still be entertaining however Creative holds him back just like Triple H is with the roster back during the reign of terror.
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