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Post by CrazySting on May 11, 2010 12:09:53 GMT -5
Is it just me or does calling any new diva who shows even a modicum of potential The Next Trish, pretty much ensure she won't be?
Candice: showed slight improvement, everyone was falling over themselves to praise her, but she still incredibly clumsly in the ring, never over and had no personalty.
Maryse: she's over with smart fans, but casual audiences are still largely indifferent to her. I think she has a lot of presence, but they damaged her by putting her in wrestling matches when she's an awful wrestler, when she should have been manging the Miz.
Michelle McCool: Yeah, not even Taker's political stroke could get her over.
Now Eve is starting to get pushed and they seem to be trying to turn her into the next Trish: except Trish had helpful road agents and a decent women's division to work with in 2002/2003. Eve has neither.
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on May 11, 2010 12:13:39 GMT -5
As long as they don't turn Beth into a big smiley girl and keep her as the tough, courageous face she could actually surpass Trish. Maryse is great in her heel role too btw. No other divas have any shot at being anything.
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Post by CrazySting on May 11, 2010 12:16:02 GMT -5
I used to think Maryse was special. But maybe she's been stuck in the cesspool that is the raw's women division for too long, her whole routine seems very old now.
An arrogant female heel is hardly anything new in wrestling either. Only difference is she has an accent.
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Post by Raja Lion on May 11, 2010 12:15:54 GMT -5
Im indifferent to all that you mentioned.
Trish had everything going for her, plus she had creative give her a bit of momentum, but that was also because she worked her tail off to get good in the ring.
I give Michelle some credit in that she can actually make a match believable, but shes as dry as a bone when it comes to anything else.
The Diva search really watered down any semblance of a tangible women's division in the WWE
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 11, 2010 12:18:09 GMT -5
what about melina?
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 11, 2010 12:20:47 GMT -5
I think they want Kelly Kelly for that role. With the companies best females workers, Beth and Michelle (yes she raises the dead and Taker is loving life, but she CAN wrestle pretty good) on Smackdown, they can help her out in her matches.
If she has the drive that Trish had to get better, since Trish was as good as a Bella when those first few years, then she could be that next Trish. The crowd seems to like her (her pop is about equal with Beth's), which is more than I can say for Eve and her jujitsu background.
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Post by CrazySting on May 11, 2010 12:21:30 GMT -5
Got stuck with bad writing, I think. I remember Foley complaining about how he put all this effort into that storyline with her in 2006, but WWE just forgot about it after and she didn't get over. She also has a ton of attitude problems, and her ring work has been botchy at times as well. |
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Post by Raja Lion on May 11, 2010 12:21:43 GMT -5
Considering she's basically the female Batista in regards to how often she gets injured...its quite easy to forget about her. Anytime she gets on some sort of roll, she gets hurt. They obviously try to give her momentum creatively at times, but she has been having injury issues. |
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Post by CrazySting on May 11, 2010 12:25:05 GMT -5
If she has the drive that Trish had to get better, since Trish was as good as a Bella when those first few years, then she could be that next Trish. The crowd seems to like her (her pop is about equal with Beth's), which is more than I can say for Eve and her jujitsu background. I think the main difference between Trish and a lot of these new models is that Trish was a fitness model and took care of herself. She could handle bumps, and had the body to cope with the schedule. Molly, Jazz and Tara were also well built to take bumps. A lot of the women now are stick thin models from Hollywood who only know how to look good rather than being interested in physical fitness. They're not athletes at all. Someone like Alicia or Kelly maybe don't even have the ability to be that good as wrestlers. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 11, 2010 12:25:49 GMT -5
I hate to be 'that guy', but I really think people give Trish a bit more credit than she deserves.
Im not saying she wasnt great, or that she didnt improve leaps and bounds from when she started, but I dont think enough credit goes to the fact she had some terrific talent to work with.
Molly, Jazz, Lita, Victoria...all those girls were really talented workers that helped make Trish as good as she was.
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on May 11, 2010 12:26:10 GMT -5
Depends what youre looking for. Trish was a respectable role model for kids with no skeletons in her closet, who was a great wrestler and talker.
Kelly Kelly will never be that person. She is too bland.
Eve? Maybe. Theres something I like about her, maybe its the BJJ.
McCool? Possibly, but she needs to improve her ability to get heat.
Maryse? Again, possibly, but needs to improve in the ring.
As you would assume, my vote is Beth. She doesnt have the model background, she is a proven athlete, she can play both powerful and sexy.
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Post by Throwback on May 11, 2010 12:28:11 GMT -5
I have a women of wrestling magazine that got around 2003/2004. It has an article in it where the discuss who will be the next Trish Stratus. The magazine named Beth Phoenix
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Post by CrazySting on May 11, 2010 12:28:49 GMT -5
I hate to be 'that guy', but I really think people give Trish a bit more credit than she deserves. Im not saying she wasnt great, or that she didnt improve leaps and bounds from when she started, but I dont think enough credit goes to the fact she had some terrific talent to work with. Molly, Jazz, Lita, Victoria...all those girls were really talented workers that helped make Trish as good as she was. Oh, yeah, she was quite over-rated and never had amazing matches at all. And anyone calling her the best female wrestler is obviously wrong. But she was also the best example of WWE taking a model and her turning out pretty decent and was over. Which is what I mean when I say "the next Trish." Even on the roster Nattie is a way better wrestler than Trish ever was. But you couldn't call her the next Trish because she didn't start out as a model and was always a wrestler. |
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Post by rocket on May 11, 2010 12:48:00 GMT -5
I hate to be 'that guy', but I really think people give Trish a bit more credit than she deserves. Im not saying she wasnt great, or that she didnt improve leaps and bounds from when she started, but I dont think enough credit goes to the fact she had some terrific talent to work with. Molly, Jazz, Lita, Victoria...all those girls were really talented workers that helped make Trish as good as she was. Yeah, it seemed like Trish always got the spotlight (especially later in her career when she had the women's title for a longer period than HHH in his "reign of terror") while the girls you mentioned, among others (bar Lita) never really got a fair chance. I always thought the WWE's current mentality towards women goes back to just using the same formula that made Trish a star and pray that one of them works. Maybe they should just find the first Beth or whoever. |
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Post by Tapout on May 11, 2010 12:52:00 GMT -5
There probably won't be a new Trish because Trish started off as a fitness model who busted her ass to improve in the ring and become a half-decent wrestler (that's all she ever was).
Women in today's WWE are not encouraged to become better wrestlers. In fact, there's literally no reason why any woman on the WWE roster should try any harder to improve as a wrestler.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 11, 2010 12:54:23 GMT -5
I was always in the small minority that felt Lita was better.
I think some people forget just how good she was before the neck and knee injuries derailed her in-ring career
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on May 11, 2010 12:58:01 GMT -5
I was always in the small minority that felt Lita was better. I think some people forget just how good she was before the neck and knee injuries derailed her in-ring career This and she was more over. |
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Post by Shaq-Fu on May 11, 2010 13:00:40 GMT -5
I was always in the small minority that felt Lita was better. I think some people forget just how good she was before the neck and knee injuries derailed her in-ring career Damn straight, boy howdy. |
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Post by cobrafan on May 11, 2010 13:24:34 GMT -5
Don't forget Ashley. It's obvious WWE really wanted her to be their next big female for a long time. There was quite a stir a few years ago on-line about them taking the title off Mickie and putting it on Melina so she could feud w/ Ashley.
They had their big WrestleMania match and aborted the Ashley experiment after that mess which left the door open for Candice's run.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 11, 2010 13:37:39 GMT -5
I was always in the small minority that felt Lita was better. I think some people forget just how good she was before the neck and knee injuries derailed her in-ring career This and she was more over. Yes she was. Id like to also add that the Matt/Edge/Lita thing really skewed some people's perceptions of what Amy Dumas contributed to wrestling during her tenure. |
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