AriadosMan
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 19, 2010 17:58:32 GMT -5
Pretty much all "taunt moves" (5 Knuckle Shuffle, Ballin', etc.) It seems really stupid and takes me out of the match action to see a taunt setup like that. I'm not counting stuff like HBK tuning up the band or Christian always doing the counterable Killswitch slightly slower because those are played up as doing actual damage.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 19, 2010 18:05:12 GMT -5
Good one. I don't know why that slipped my mind. (Guess now that he's out of sight, I've put him out of my mind.) That whole "tuning up the band" was stupid. As you said, EVERYONE IN THE ARENA would often stomp along with him, but the wrestler in the ring with him is completely oblivious. Furthermore, the fact that Michaels would hit it out of nowhere sometimes made it baffling as to why he wouldn't do that all the time. In all fairness, I can't remember too many times in the last 5 years when Shawn won a match after tuning up the band; I've come to see it as just a chance for a cheap pop. Most of the times he actually hit SCM and won were out of nowhere.
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Post by calibancalhoun on Jul 19, 2010 18:07:41 GMT -5
Im a huge hbk fan but whenever he set up sweet chin music I raged. Stop stomping on the damn mat, you're just letting the other guy know when to duck! I guess the same could be said for the RKO
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Post by agent817 on Jul 19, 2010 18:09:58 GMT -5
Before Rock retired, did he always execute the Rock Bottom after doing his taunt (That makes him look he's ready and is holding his quads)?
Also, does Edge still do his taunt before he Spears someone?
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Post by mrjl on Jul 19, 2010 18:14:23 GMT -5
Triple H's facebuster: Seriously, he's been doing it for years and it makes other wrestlers look stupid to keep going for the back body drop. The one that needs to go most is the "Diving double axe handle onto a grounded opponent that gets countered by the opponent lifting his boot up" Looks so ridiculous, I mean why are they going for a double axe handle on a grounded opponent anyway? Also, I'll second the big dive of nothing that gets countered by a kick. I hate that spot. Most of Rey's ridiculous offence, especially that stupid move where the opponent lifts Rey up for no reason other than to get bull-dogged. Don't know what it is with Rey but much of his offence just looks ridiculous compared to other high-flyers, Trevor Murdoch once hit it. The result of the move looks similar to Bret Hart's second rope elbow. Rey's bulldog spot if he didn't use the bulldog would result in him getting wheelbarrow suplexed, a nasty move.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 19, 2010 18:17:31 GMT -5
I haven't seen it done in WWE, but the spot where wrestler A tries to pin wrestler B, with A's head between B's legs. Then for no reason at all, A flips over so A's shoulders are on the mat between B's legs. I know they're going for the "lot of quick 2 counts effect". Are we supposed to believe that B is putting so much pressure on A's head that it makes him do a complete flip? 19:02 in this match: It's happened in WWE. Personally I love it, though I prefer the slight variation that starts with a jackknif pin.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 19, 2010 18:27:40 GMT -5
I haven't seen it done in WWE, but the spot where wrestler A tries to pin wrestler B, with A's head between B's legs. Then for no reason at all, A flips over so A's shoulders are on the mat between B's legs. I know they're going for the "lot of quick 2 counts effect". Are we supposed to believe that B is putting so much pressure on A's head that it makes him do a complete flip? 19:02 in this match: I hate that spot so much. Suspending disbelief is fine, but when something is THAT implausible I facepalm. Damn, I think those guys just like having men's butts in their faces.
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Post by Tyfo on Jul 19, 2010 18:33:23 GMT -5
Before Rock retired, did he always execute the Rock Bottom after doing his taunt (That makes him look he's ready and is holding his quads)? Also, does Edge still do his taunt before he Spears someone? It seems like Rock did that more for the spinebuster he would do before the People's Elbow, but maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
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Post by texaswhopper on Jul 19, 2010 18:56:34 GMT -5
A match or two without it everynow and then probably would make it seem less predictable. Only slightly. Oh yeah and Michael Cole might think hes doing a good job by yelling "Vintage Cena!" but I really HATE that. That adds to "I've seen this before".
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 19, 2010 18:59:07 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand is how grabbing the ropes is cheating. I understand rope breaks, but what never made sense to me is how in some matches, when someone makes the cover, either grabbing the ropes or putting a foot on the ropes gains leverage for an instant 3 count. I know in some matches, I have seen the pinned opponent kick out of that, but I never understood that. The idea is for things like School Boy roll ups you put your legs on the ropes so your putting all of your weight onto the person rather then just as much force you can push down with, since you're / I don't know why they decided it should start working on regular pins though.
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Post by agent817 on Jul 19, 2010 19:05:12 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand is how grabbing the ropes is cheating. I understand rope breaks, but what never made sense to me is how in some matches, when someone makes the cover, either grabbing the ropes or putting a foot on the ropes gains leverage for an instant 3 count. I know in some matches, I have seen the pinned opponent kick out of that, but I never understood that. The idea is for things like School Boy roll ups you put your legs on the ropes so your putting all of your weight onto the person rather then just as much force you can push down with, since you're / I don't know why they decided it should start working on regular pins though. Okay, I DO understand that part. The fact that schoolboy rollups, especially the ones the feet on the ropes can add extra weight to keep them from kicking out. But the other part, like if someone makes a regular cover, then suddenly grabs the ropes, I never understood that.
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Post by saneiac on Jul 19, 2010 19:59:16 GMT -5
It isn't actually a move (what?), but Steve Austin introduced a catchphrase (what?), a chant (what?), a quote (what?), an epithet (what?) that needs to rot in the lowest pit of Hell.
(What?) could I possibly be talking about?
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Post by mrjl on Jul 19, 2010 20:06:03 GMT -5
The idea is for things like School Boy roll ups you put your legs on the ropes so your putting all of your weight onto the person rather then just as much force you can push down with, since you're / I don't know why they decided it should start working on regular pins though. Okay, I DO understand that part. The fact that schoolboy rollups, especially the ones the feet on the ropes can add extra weight to keep them from kicking out. But the other part, like if someone makes a regular cover, then suddenly grabs the ropes, I never understood that. I've never seen someone do a regular cover and say grab the ropes with their hands. But by putting their legs on the ropes again there's more weight on the man being pinned.
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Post by Krimzon on Jul 19, 2010 20:24:46 GMT -5
Orton slapping the mat before going for the RKO. Because he Never. Ever. Hits it. He has hit it from time to time. Hell, it just happened tonight.
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Post by Papa shango on Jul 19, 2010 20:29:51 GMT -5
wrestler 1 lies on mat.
wrestler 2 climbs to top rope.
wrestler 2 jumps off ropes, feet first, doing an unknown move.
wrestler 1 puts one foot up.
wrestler 2 gets hit in the face by wrester 1's foot, while landing on his feet at the sae time.
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Post by theshowstoppa on Jul 20, 2010 10:39:44 GMT -5
Although he's thankfully gone, Shawn Michaels' SCM was a thousand times more contrived than the 619. "Hmm, I've just been elbow dropped but still able to go, I best get up in this odd time where Shawn has seemingly vanished. Hey, what's that constant pounding noise coming from behind me and why are the crowd getting worked up? I know, I'll get up and then turn around to check it out, not as if it's a trap or anything. I mean, I've NEVER seen it happen in any other match with Shawn Michaels where something bad like this happens. OK, I'm on my feet, now I'll just turn around and check out that-" Lather, rinse, repeat. Gotta HIGHLY disagree with you there. in the last few years of Shawn being an active wrestler, him hitting the SCM out of a corner like that AND winning that way was not large at all. It generally comes as a surprise, not a setup kick, 98% of the time, the tuning up the band version is countered
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Post by dav on Jul 20, 2010 10:52:22 GMT -5
Although he's thankfully gone, Shawn Michaels' SCM was a thousand times more contrived than the 619. "Hmm, I've just been elbow dropped but still able to go, I best get up in this odd time where Shawn has seemingly vanished. Hey, what's that constant pounding noise coming from behind me and why are the crowd getting worked up? I know, I'll get up and then turn around to check it out, not as if it's a trap or anything. I mean, I've NEVER seen it happen in any other match with Shawn Michaels where something bad like this happens. OK, I'm on my feet, now I'll just turn around and check out that-" Lather, rinse, repeat. Gotta HIGHLY disagree with you there. in the last few years of Shawn being an active wrestler, him hitting the SCM out of a corner like that AND winning that way was not large at all. It generally comes as a surprise, not a setup kick, 98% of the time, the tuning up the band version is countered Good. The bloody spot was absolutely ridiculous. Even hitting it only once when he did it throughout his career is beyond believability, especially if it's countered so many times. Even if hit rarely, it still makes the other wrestler look like an idiot.
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Post by Woooooolhouse! on Jul 20, 2010 10:52:41 GMT -5
Anyone setting up their opponent for a powerbomb/piledriver right by the ropes. Even if they DIDN'T get back-dropped out over the ropes, what were they going to do? Powerbomb them over the ropes to the floor? Razor Ramon did that in both Ladder Matches with Shawn Michaels, and it was- and is- always a giveaway that something bad is going to happen.
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Post by unc40 on Jul 20, 2010 18:33:44 GMT -5
Ref bumps in almost every way, shape or form just need to f*** off at this stage. Even as a fan of a lot of heels (so ref bumps are usually one of the few ways I get to see them win) they really annoy me now. But especially any ref bump that involves him waking up and seeing the previously dominating face out cold being pinned by the heel, surrounded by weapons while heel wrestlers who weren't there previously stand outside the ring and then MAKING THE COUNT. Ask Striker to run a replay or something, you tool. Are you saying that wrestling should adopt Instant Replay?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 20, 2010 19:04:05 GMT -5
Triple H's facebuster: Seriously, he's been doing it for years and it makes other wrestlers look stupid to keep going for the back body drop. The one that needs to go most is the "Diving double axe handle onto a grounded opponent that gets countered by the opponent lifting his boot up" Looks so ridiculous, I mean why are they going for a double axe handle on a grounded opponent anyway? Also, I'll second the big dive of nothing that gets countered by a kick. I hate that spot. Most of Rey's ridiculous offence, especially that stupid move where the opponent lifts Rey up for no reason other than to get bull-dogged. Don't know what it is with Rey but much of his offence just looks ridiculous compared to other high-flyers, Trevor Murdoch once hit it. The result of the move looks similar to Bret Hart's second rope elbow. Rey's bulldog spot if he didn't use the bulldog would result in him getting wheelbarrow suplexed, a nasty move. As a matter of fact, I could swear Masters and Swagger have hit a wheelbarrow suplex on him when it backfired. I am sure Benoit and/or Angle has. Though in Masters' case, it may have been on Super Crazy.
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