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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 30, 2010 14:58:26 GMT -5
The PG era sucks for one reason. The writers play it too safe. You're allowing a grown man to go out and use the phrase "Baloney Fudging Mustard" and refer to his opponent as a "Human jar of Mayonnaise", as well as spraypainting "JBL is poopy". The fact that these are all Cena is not a criticism of Cena. It's the fact that the writers are writing G tv for a PG program. The nWo angle was under PG TV, and Sting was one of the coolest characters in pro wrestling history. Exactly. People tend to forget that WCW was a non-cursing PG product during the entire Sting/NWO angle, and during fantastic and mature feuds like Chris Benoit vs. Raven. They managed to do all of this and still be PG, because there was no cursing, no sexuality, and little to no blood. Look at the Chris Benoit/Raven feud I just mentioned. That was incredibly brutal and adult-oriented. But it STILL fit into the guidelines of what is considered PG wrestling. I agree with the quote above. WWE is playing it way too safe.
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on Jun 30, 2010 15:17:38 GMT -5
It's not about PG programming. It's about what they think is PG programming. Some genius thought it'd be a great idea to have a midget vs a little Mexican guy go on for 5 months. FIVE MONTHS. By the end of it, nobody was cheering anymore. From the dumbest kid to the brightest teenager to the reclusive super-genius glamor model in row 50. And there was NO payoff. Even the Gooker had an beginning and an end. How about this, Fatal Four Way. A PPV whose gimmick is that all the champ matches are between four people at once...there is no way anybody with a brain thought that up. The reason we call it the PG era isn't b/c it's the rating/content that's the problem. It's the fact that these guys can't do anything with what they've got. totally agreed. And like I said earlier, the nWo/Sting feud was unmissable TV and that was PG. The WCW writers were writing PGTV, not G TV under the illusion that that qualifies as PGTV.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jun 30, 2010 15:25:31 GMT -5
It could be, of course, that being run by a guy old enough to be the target auds' grandpa has left them out of touch with what modern audiences consider good PG entertainment.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Jun 30, 2010 15:26:54 GMT -5
The show could have blood and swearing and all the half naked girls and crude humor in the world, it still wouldn't save the fact that WWE has been putting on a bland, unimaginative product for far too long.
I'll admit, the wrestlers now have more talent and more athleticism and the production values are phenomenal, but not even the best wrestlers or the best production can make up for bad writing, lazy storytelling, and monotonous booking that could put WCW to shame.
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Post by spagett on Jun 30, 2010 16:15:38 GMT -5
It's not about PG programming. It's about what they think is PG programming. Some genius thought it'd be a great idea to have a midget vs a little Mexican guy go on for 5 months. FIVE MONTHS. By the end of it, nobody was cheering anymore. From the dumbest kid to the brightest teenager to the reclusive super-genius glamor model in row 50. And there was NO payoff. Even the Gooker had an beginning and an end. How about this, Fatal Four Way. A PPV whose gimmick is that all the champ matches are between four people at once...there is no way anybody with a brain thought that up. The reason we call it the PG era isn't b/c it's the rating/content that's the problem. It's the fact that these guys can't do anything with what they've got. Exactly. The low quality writing and the general sense of nothing ever happening is nothing to do with PG. The WWE has changed so little in the last 5 or 6 years that everything just feels stale and dull. Compare the WWF in 1995 to 2000. The company was radically different from its roster to its look. And now compare the WWE in 2005 to 2010. It's pretty much the same, especially the main event scene. Basically since the WWE had been stuck in a rut long before PG came along.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 30, 2010 18:38:27 GMT -5
Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels, WrestleMania 25 and WrestleMania 26 Rey Mysterio vs. Chris Jericho series Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels feud Edge vs. Undertaker feud CM Punk vs. Jeff Hardy feud Shawn Michaels vs. Ric Flair
Every era has its good. Every era has its bad. But if you honestly have nothing good to say about the "PG" Era, you should take a break from WWE or something.
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Post by josh on Jun 30, 2010 18:41:53 GMT -5
WWE is awful now. It's just flat out boring and insulting to the intelligence, which is astonishing considering I stuck around for 1996-2007 and never felt like I was being insulted as much as I do now.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 30, 2010 19:48:34 GMT -5
Most of what I am going to be said has been said but, oh well.
It's not PG that sucks, it's the idea that WWE seems to have that PG means market to 5 year olds. WCW, early Attitude Era WWE, 92 WWE, UWF and, most of the NWA stuff would be TV PG and it was good. Right now WWE doesn't want to show anything that would be with in the sight of the line they don't want to cross.
I guess what I am trying to say is instead of TV PG, they are trying to be TV Y7 (FV) or 1st season Power Rangers.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Jun 30, 2010 20:37:14 GMT -5
WWE is awful now. It's just flat out boring and insulting to the intelligence, which is astonishing considering I stuck around for 1996-2007 and never felt like I was being insulted as much as I do now. yep.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Jun 30, 2010 21:19:34 GMT -5
Normal PG doesnt suck. WWE´s version of PG sucks. I never do this but, this ^. Hell, Chikara is my favorite thing out there. Doesn't get more PG than that.
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Post by American Dragon on Jul 1, 2010 2:28:57 GMT -5
I don't really follow WWE that much anymore, I might catch Raw here and there, but other than that, I don't really tent to watch much of WWE. Although I do keep up with some of it, I usually read Smackdown results, and I'm actually quite surprised with what I've been seeing for the past few months. Raw has also been pretty good, while there are some drags such as the Guest-hosts, they usually try to squeeze in some entertaining bits throughout the shows. Of course it's not the best it's ever been, but it's much better than what people make it out to be. I see a lot of bitching and complaining about the PG rating dragging down the shows, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product. I wonder if those people who bitch about the PG rating watched Smackdown from 2002-2004, when WWE was pushing out some of the most entertaining stuff they ever have, all while remaining with the PG rating. I usually tend to ignore people who put blame on the PG rating, it has nothing to do with quality of the product. It just so happens WWE wants to have a family-friendly approach with a PG rating. Smackdown from 2002-2004 was PG?!! Smackdown has been PG since it's inception
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Post by The Legend on Jul 1, 2010 2:45:46 GMT -5
PG sucks this is a wrestling show. You dont fire somebody if they choke somebody this is wrestling. I hate PG its so f***ing corny. One day I want the Miz 2 go out there, and say Im The Miz and Im f***ing awesome unlike you f***in bitchs. TNA is great like how they bleed even though they do it to much its better then no blood. I love how Brother Ray just says to Shannon More '' Hey Shannon you got something to say then say it BITCH!!'' I loved when Bubba said that once on TNA. That is what makes a heel. John Cena on WWE lays down in the ring and says '' Fudge'' or something like that whatever he said was so PG!! I remember when Cena in the PG 13 era would say im a fire breathing one hell of a son bitch who cant go down. I froget what he said but it was something like that. WWE mic skills use to be so much better. Everything use 2 be so intense.
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Post by American Dragon on Jul 1, 2010 3:18:34 GMT -5
PG sucks this is a wrestling show. You dont fire somebody if they choke somebody this is wrestling. I hate PG its so f***ing corny. One day I want the Miz 2 go out there, and say Im The Miz and Im f***ing awesome unlike you f***in bitchs. TNA is great like how they bleed even though they do it to much its better then no blood. I love how Brother Ray just says to Shannon More '' Hey Shannon you got something to say then say it BITCH!!'' I loved when Bubba said that once on TNA. That is what makes a heel. John Cena on WWE lays down in the ring and says '' Fudge'' or something like that whatever he said was so PG!! I remember when Cena in the PG 13 era would say im a fire breathing one hell of a son bitch who cant go down. I froget what he said but it was something like that. WWE mic skills use to be so much better. Everything use 2 be so intense. The rating doesn't really effect the quality of the product. Have you watched WWF in 1997 to mid-1998 when it was rated PG? Some of the most shocking promos have come from that time period. "WWE sucking" has more to do with their newer standards more than the PG rating. and I don't get how going out and calling people bitches and dropping the F bomb every minute is entertainment, maybe we have different views on what makes a quality wrestling product.
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Post by oafman on Jul 1, 2010 3:36:58 GMT -5
Smackdown from 2002-2004 was PG?!! Smackdown has been PG since it's inception I remember being amazed back in 1999 or 2000 that WWF was on UPN then. Their content seemed way too risky for network TV, but they landed it, somehow.
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Post by The Legend on Jul 1, 2010 3:41:10 GMT -5
PG sucks this is a wrestling show. You dont fire somebody if they choke somebody this is wrestling. I hate PG its so f***ing corny. One day I want the Miz 2 go out there, and say Im The Miz and Im f***ing awesome unlike you f***in bitchs. TNA is great like how they bleed even though they do it to much its better then no blood. I love how Brother Ray just says to Shannon More '' Hey Shannon you got something to say then say it BITCH!!'' I loved when Bubba said that once on TNA. That is what makes a heel. John Cena on WWE lays down in the ring and says '' Fudge'' or something like that whatever he said was so PG!! I remember when Cena in the PG 13 era would say im a fire breathing one hell of a son bitch who cant go down. I froget what he said but it was something like that. WWE mic skills use to be so much better. Everything use 2 be so intense. The rating doesn't really effect the quality of the product. Have you watched WWF in 1997 to mid-1998 when it was rated PG? Some of the most shocking promos have come from that time period. "WWE sucking" has more to do with their newer standards more than the PG rating. and I don't get how going out and calling people bitches and dropping the F bomb every minute is entertainment, maybe we have different views on what makes a quality wrestling product. So your saying you like how Bryan Danielson got released for choking sombody. This is wrestling thats what you do. If you through out the f bomb and say bitch and stuff. It gives more hypes to the feuds. Like what bad man for saying those dirty words. I like that it shows when somebody is a real heel. You get more heat for saying the f bomb and bitch. And Cena use to be a badass like when a face says bitch or some thing I think it shows how pissed they are. Like the good man can take it he is saying anything he just dose not care anymore.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Jul 1, 2010 4:02:10 GMT -5
The rating doesn't really effect the quality of the product. Have you watched WWF in 1997 to mid-1998 when it was rated PG? Some of the most shocking promos have come from that time period. "WWE sucking" has more to do with their newer standards more than the PG rating. and I don't get how going out and calling people bitches and dropping the F bomb every minute is entertainment, maybe we have different views on what makes a quality wrestling product. So your saying you like how Bryan Danielson got released for choking sombody. This is wrestling thats what you do. If you through out the f bomb and say bitch and stuff. It gives more hypes to the feuds. Like what bad man for saying those dirty words. I like that it shows when somebody is a real heel. You get more heat for saying the f bomb and bitch. And Cena use to be a badass like when a face says bitch or some thing I think it shows how pissed they are. Like the good man can take it he is saying anything he just dose not care anymore. woah woah woah. the danielson firing is pretty much universally accepted even by people who arent danielson fans to be ridicolous. And is seen in general by most(from posts ive seen)who are arguieing for a pg product as an example of wwe taking the pg rating a bit too far. But to me,I dont find that is the NORM for wwe. Sure,I think the blood thing is ridicolous,not because i crave ultraviolence but just because well..pro wrestlings is while entertainment,it is a simulation of a fight and ultimately it is natural in a fight for blood to pop out sooner or later. I wouldnt like it always but as a special occasion,I think itd be fine. but i havent found a lack of edgy mature storylines or seen it reduced to people fighting in a playpen so ive been fine with it actually. how about a small list of things that have either been edgy or that ive enjoyed over the past few years. 1.Edge from his heel turn on benoit to his feud with taker-A man who is constantly having a nervous breakdown. One segment featured him psychotically stalking a woman in a wheelchair 2.Chris jericho-The idea of a serious heel with insecurities built on failure has been done before(Triple h would be a glaring example,and edge another)but he revolutionized a type of heel that to the point where anyone talks in a serious voice with a suit you instantly indentify it with chris jericho. He made his character both a matyr and a heel at the same time. and as far as mature storylines,he blinded shawn michaels,hit shawns wife,beat up old men and tried to end edges career. 3.Ok. this is a pretty terrible storyline,but matt hardys heel turn. In the span of a few months he confessed to trying to run over a car with his brother and his brothers girlfriend in it and burning down jeffs house with his dog in it. 4.Christians run as ecw champion-Granted,i wouldnt say it was purely edgy but..it is one of my favorite things theyve done in wwe. 5.the nexus. say what you want about how you like the storyline but theyve destroyed everything in their path from referees,to backstage interviewers,to the wwe champion,to cm punk,to a group of old broken down men,to the ring,to the announcers,to the padding around the ring,and to finally their own boss. and ortons emergence as an anti hero comes to mind..I dunno. I like wwe. theres some bad but some of my favorite stuff to ever happen in wrestling has happened in the past few years.
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Post by American Dragon on Jul 1, 2010 4:43:17 GMT -5
The rating doesn't really effect the quality of the product. Have you watched WWF in 1997 to mid-1998 when it was rated PG? Some of the most shocking promos have come from that time period. "WWE sucking" has more to do with their newer standards more than the PG rating. and I don't get how going out and calling people bitches and dropping the F bomb every minute is entertainment, maybe we have different views on what makes a quality wrestling product. So your saying you like how Bryan Danielson got released for choking sombody. This is wrestling thats what you do. If you through out the f bomb and say bitch and stuff. It gives more hypes to the feuds. Like what bad man for saying those dirty words. I like that it shows when somebody is a real heel. You get more heat for saying the f bomb and bitch. And Cena use to be a badass like when a face says bitch or some thing I think it shows how pissed they are. Like the good man can take it he is saying anything he just dose not care anymore. The Dragon situation is an entirely different topic. I was focusing more on the profanity part of your post. Sure, even if there was profanity, it would get old pretty quick, throwing bitch and F around all the time, it would quickly lose any shock value. I wouldn't mind hearing "bitch" every now and then, but c'mon, when have you EVER heard the F word used in a promo?
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 1, 2010 5:15:15 GMT -5
This is all about Linda's political career. The show is basically G rated at this point so no one can say anything against her company. Hopefully once she inevitably loses they can at least stop insulting a large portion of their fan base.
-Step 1: shoot Hornswoggle to the moon and leave him there
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Post by golding on Jul 1, 2010 5:16:37 GMT -5
There are lots of reasons why this PG era sucks, more than just "it's PG". Indeed, the booking does suck. The guest hosts suck, the GM's suck, a lot about the show sucks.
WWE is capable of having a decent program despite being PG. Pre-attitude era was notoriously commented on as being cartoony. They just aren't doing that right now.
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Post by Fade on Jul 1, 2010 5:21:56 GMT -5
Yep. Yep, it does.
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