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Post by Irish Nightmare on Feb 3, 2011 15:31:48 GMT -5
Look guys, I get that some of you are complaining about the way you are booked right now, but's it's a hard row to hoe. I went around a month before I had a win and 3 months before I did anything of consequence. If you stick with it, you'll do fine, but I don't think because you are new you should get a sense of entitlement that you should get an intro push. I completely agree on that. Personally I'm making more of a statement for the story-line purposes of it. If I lose every match I'm fine with it. Like I was saying, though.. Richlen and my guy are getting into a decent feud, but it really lacks good direction when my guy does the JOB on both of our encounters... plus I'm running out of material to write because I write the same thing over and over again, it's getting to sound redundant when I say I'm going to do this and that and then don't do it. I hope I'm making sense on this. I just enjoy the buildup of a good feud and there needs to be a sense of drama to make it entertaining. If one guy always wins... where's the excitement in that?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Feb 3, 2011 15:40:42 GMT -5
Look guys, I get that some of you are complaining about the way you are booked right now, but's it's a hard row to hoe. I went around a month before I had a win and 3 months before I did anything of consequence. If you stick with it, you'll do fine, but I don't think because you are new you should get a sense of entitlement that you should get an intro push. I completely agree on that. Personally I'm making more of a statement for the story-line purposes of it. If I lose every match I'm fine with it. Like I was saying, though.. Richlen and my guy are getting into a decent feud, but it really lacks good direction when my guy does the JOB on both of our encounters... plus I'm running out of material to write because I write the same thing over and over again, it's getting to sound redundant when I say I'm going to do this and that and then don't do it. I hope I'm making sense on this. I just enjoy the buildup of a good feud and there needs to be a sense of drama to make it entertaining. If one guy always wins... where's the excitement in that? that's what i was saying. and personally, i'm kinda glad we've got a 6-man tag since we can try to vary our promos a bit.
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Post by Jackson "The Cool" Carter on Feb 3, 2011 17:45:00 GMT -5
At the moment, my promos are short or unmemorable (well, especially so, I don't think any that I've written have been particularly memorable), because my character has nothing happening. I was happy as hell to win the MITB match, and still am, but its a hindrance in a way. I can't go for any other titles, because I'll always lose - people know that I have a guaranteed World Title match anyway. I haven't been in an actual feud with anyone for a while, mainly because there's nothing to feud over. Another thing is, its very difficult to judge how to cash it in. A lot of guys are coming up, and (rightfully, may I point out) earning title shots and main event spots, so I don't wanna overshadow them in any way. Basically, I've come up with the idea to have a "feud" of sorts with Jesse King, because he hates me, which I think was something BRB came up with. So the point is, I'm losing a lot at the moment because there's no investment in my character to make people vote for me, and I'm not sure how to rectify it. I'm happy to put guys over, but at the moment I'm in a difficult position. The more I hold the briefcase while losing matches, the less people will buy it when I do cash it in, and possibly become a main event player. I know how you feel, when I started here I rose up the ladder pretty quickly, and my first real storyline was my feud vs brb that turned him face, our feud went for ages until we finally clashed because he was feuding over titles at the same time, so my character was in limbo. So keep momentum alive I started a feud with Jesse King myself, and when I had 100% control of my character and actions and consequences, I really came into my own. And even after initially losing the feud to BRB I shot right up to the main event in Thunderdome and then the feud with LittleNaitch and Colt that made me a main eventer.
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Post by Irish Nightmare on Feb 3, 2011 18:14:20 GMT -5
At the moment, my promos are short or unmemorable (well, especially so, I don't think any that I've written have been particularly memorable), because my character has nothing happening. I was happy as hell to win the MITB match, and still am, but its a hindrance in a way. I can't go for any other titles, because I'll always lose - people know that I have a guaranteed World Title match anyway. I haven't been in an actual feud with anyone for a while, mainly because there's nothing to feud over. Another thing is, its very difficult to judge how to cash it in. A lot of guys are coming up, and (rightfully, may I point out) earning title shots and main event spots, so I don't wanna overshadow them in any way. Basically, I've come up with the idea to have a "feud" of sorts with Jesse King, because he hates me, which I think was something BRB came up with. So the point is, I'm losing a lot at the moment because there's no investment in my character to make people vote for me, and I'm not sure how to rectify it. I'm happy to put guys over, but at the moment I'm in a difficult position. The more I hold the briefcase while losing matches, the less people will buy it when I do cash it in, and possibly become a main event player. I know how you feel, when I started here I rose up the ladder pretty quickly, and my first real storyline was my feud vs brb that turned him face, our feud went for ages until we finally clashed because he was feuding over titles at the same time, so my character was in limbo. So keep momentum alive I started a feud with Jesse King myself, and when I had 100% control of my character and actions and consequences, I really came into my own. And even after initially losing the feud to BRB I shot right up to the main event in Thunderdome and then the feud with LittleNaitch and Colt that made me a main eventer. See that's where I agree with you both. I mean in a sense having people vote on who wins is like letting your fans decide on who should receive pushes and whatnot... which I think is fine. But, in comparison to WWE... let's say you get this wrestler and the first thing he does is lose his matches.... even if he was a respectable wrestler in another organization and even if he seems to have a good grasp of character development, if he loses and keeps losing there's no way the fans will get behind the guy (or girl). It's kind of the same thing here. A character does not come off as anything worthy of a push if they don't show any sort of ability to win. I would love to write matches for my guy and give him some charisma in the ring... but my only access is either the computers at my Bank of America job, or my PS3 which limits me on how much I can write... So what do ya do? Actually I do remember an e-fed where they would put the newcomers in a different part of the fed. They would feud with each other only, and then the ones who stood out would eventually be put onto the main roster. Maybe that's in idea to throw around.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 19:26:11 GMT -5
Hey folks. Just popping in to see how things are going. Card looks good, Socko. I should've told you my character was selling his injuries, so that's my fault. See y'all in a few days!
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Feb 3, 2011 19:58:06 GMT -5
^ Who the hell is that guy?
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Feb 3, 2011 20:10:10 GMT -5
^ Who the hell is that guy? SECURITY!!!
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Feb 4, 2011 2:15:47 GMT -5
Here's an idea I have for when M gets back.
After looking at last year's E.G.T.W. I saw that the War Games match was the main event. Higher on the card than the world title match, even! So I'm thinking that ideally you'd have a lot of big names in that.
One problem. What if you're Jackson or Lodi and you want to pick somebody, but they're holding a title and they're supposed to defend it earlier in the night?
My solution goes like this: Jackson and Lodi can pick anybody they want to represent them in the cage. If one of the people they choose happens to hold a championship, then that championship will be defended on the go-home NiteRaw rather than at the PPV. In place of a championship match at the PPV where the titles would normally be defended, there would be a #1 contender's match.
How does that sound?
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Post by littlenaitch on Feb 4, 2011 3:12:37 GMT -5
Sounds good to me
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Feb 4, 2011 12:19:06 GMT -5
Here's an idea I have for when M gets back. After looking at last year's E.G.T.W. I saw that the War Games match was the main event. Higher on the card than the world title match, even! So I'm thinking that ideally you'd have a lot of big names in that. One problem. What if you're Jackson or Lodi and you want to pick somebody, but they're holding a title and they're supposed to defend it earlier in the night? My solution goes like this: Jackson and Lodi can pick anybody they want to represent them in the cage. If one of the people they choose happens to hold a championship, then that championship will be defended on the go-home NiteRaw rather than at the PPV. In place of a championship match at the PPV where the titles would normally be defended, there would be a #1 contender's match. How does that sound? it's either that or you make them compete twice on the PPV, and that just ain't right, so your idea has mucho merito.
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Post by "The Natural" Jeremy Grave on Feb 4, 2011 12:54:57 GMT -5
That a long enough promo for ya?
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Feb 4, 2011 15:23:12 GMT -5
Looks pretty good, Jeremy.
By the way, we still need somebody to write Naitch vs. Blood. I'll wait until this evening in case more votes come in (since not everybody has responded yet) and then I'll tally them up and send out the results to the match writers.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Feb 4, 2011 16:37:29 GMT -5
Regarding the booking complaints, I got thoroughly chumped out against CageKing at the PPV, but you don't see me complaining, it's just the way things go sometimes.
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Post by "The Natural" Jeremy Grave on Feb 4, 2011 16:39:36 GMT -5
My complaint wasn't the booking, it was the writing in the 8 man match.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2011 20:17:40 GMT -5
Regarding the booking complaints, I got thoroughly chumped out against CageKing at the PPV, but you don't see me complaining, it's just the way things go sometimes. It was 9-8 in his favor, actually. And I like to think I wrote it evenly, but to be fair, you were kayfabe hurting from the previous week and he needed to win big. Oh and regarding the PPV, what Socko suggested is how we did it in 2009, when the SWC, AA, and myself were all in the Wargames match. OK, I'm leaving now, promise.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 5, 2011 0:07:41 GMT -5
Wow, I'm honestly shocked I retained this time... I was half tempted to vote for colt myself with how much effort he's put on his character as of late. Anyway, either way me and colt had no intention of ending the feud last night, so next week we'll open the show with a promo, I'll just get Colt to use my.computer. Lodi winning actually makes the next step in our feud easier. I voted for you basically because I looked at two of your earlier defenses: Jonathan Michaels, and me. I figured that it may as well become a hat trick and see you defeat Colt; this way a new contender could enter the main event picture to potentially claim the belt.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 5, 2011 0:11:39 GMT -5
The way I vote is very simple, I view the promo thread and the shows as if I'm a fan. So after the buildup to a match, if the effort is made I know who I reckon should win as well as who I want to win. For example Colt, BRB and Caleb get a lot of my votes because I'm actual fans if the characters, despite them being established rivals of mine. And I guess that I get my votes because whilst I don't promo a lot in the promo thread, I always make a big effort on the shows themselves with detailed promos and a bit if match writing that puts my opponents over no matter what. Well, I guess I'll chime in on my voting habits. It's pretty similar to Dread Pirate Mulligan's logic, with one big exception: I never vote for myself in championship matches. I figure that if I vote against myself in a championship match but win anyway, it says far more about my status.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 5, 2011 0:14:31 GMT -5
Did my post not come through, or am I not allowed to complain about being written as a jobber? Seriously, I'd be fine if I'd been 'attacked from behind' and eliminated early, but no. I get knocked down after 20 seconds, and then Descent gives me a finisher with no particular difficulty. Who wrote this match? that was not my intention at all, sorry. to be quite honest, I wasn't happy with how i wrote it either. i think the only one who didn't look bad that whole match was Mulligan. so yeah, i freely admit that my writing sucked. again, i'm sorry if it made you or anyone else look horrible. Don't beat yourself up so much over it. Practice makes perfect. For example, I wrote the King of Wrestlecrap final this time around, but read "TLC Match: BRB vs. Aaron Enigma" from Gookermania II and compare the two. That was my first written match, and I like to think that I started pretty well, but I also like to think that I've refined since then.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 5, 2011 0:16:33 GMT -5
Just so you know, my whining is tounge in cheek. Stick around, man. I like your gimmick if nothing else, and I hope I wrote your debut well enough. Things should turn around soon enough for ya.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 5, 2011 0:34:15 GMT -5
At the moment, my promos are short or unmemorable (well, especially so, I don't think any that I've written have been particularly memorable), because my character has nothing happening. I was happy as hell to win the MITB match, and still am, but its a hindrance in a way. I can't go for any other titles, because I'll always lose - people know that I have a guaranteed World Title match anyway. I haven't been in an actual feud with anyone for a while, mainly because there's nothing to feud over. Another thing is, its very difficult to judge how to cash it in. A lot of guys are coming up, and (rightfully, may I point out) earning title shots and main event spots, so I don't wanna overshadow them in any way. Basically, I've come up with the idea to have a "feud" of sorts with Jesse King, because he hates me, which I think was something BRB came up with. So the point is, I'm losing a lot at the moment because there's no investment in my character to make people vote for me, and I'm not sure how to rectify it. I'm happy to put guys over, but at the moment I'm in a difficult position. The more I hold the briefcase while losing matches, the less people will buy it when I do cash it in, and possibly become a main event player. Well, I think I'll say this much: the original planned finish for Christmassacre was to have Metal cash in on the winner between BRB and Jackson, ushering in the new year in a hell of a way. But I think Jackson did have a point that such a cash-in would have caused a clusterf*** of title shots in its wake. Would have been something for you to become WWCF champ and remain the Hardcore champ as well, making you the fourth double champ - I think you deserve that much.
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